Quote from jwf239 »Congrats everyone! Personally I think that the deadguy ale list is a better fit for SFM than death and taxes is since you'll have to move away from the taxes aspect, but I am sure we will see it tried here as well.
For my money, the SFM package is:
Quote from x1uo3yd »Quote from The Jeskai Way »... Obviously Smasher would be pretty impactful on those matches (I wouldn't side them in otherwise). However, I couldn't cast them without giving up cycling my Silent Clearings into something that could make a difference faster.Did you already crack other Clearings before reaching that point?
I ask because "4-lands out, but can't cast Smasher" is a situation that could happen even if those Silent Clearings were Concealed Courtyards. Having more options isn't a bad thing (unless you're driving yourself insane).
That said, if you found you were cracking lands faster than normal in a typical game, and thus reaching 4cmc-5cmc is a couple turns slower in any given game, that's a different story. Going from ~4xGQ being the only consumable lands up to 7x-8x between GQ and SC might actually be a significant increase.
Basically, I'm wondering if it's a playstyle thing, where you have to sandbag a bit more (instead of cycling) when you've sided in Smashers.
Quote from The Jeskai Way »... Obviously Smasher would be pretty impactful on those matches (I wouldn't side them in otherwise). However, I couldn't cast them without giving up cycling my Silent Clearings into something that could make a difference faster.
Quote from goliaththegreat »I am currently building into the deck(just need my Blackcleave Cliffs at this point. Right now, I have 58 cards in the main but the list isn't set in stone just yet. I love Young Pyromancer and Blood Moon, even if both are not always good. I scoured the net looking at just about every list for the deck I could and tried to compile a list that suits me. I will have explain some of my choices for some of my cards and have a few questions as well.
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Planeswalker x1 -1x Nahiri, the HarbingerEnchantments x22x Blood MoonCreatures x84x Young Pyromancer4x Bedlam RevelerInstant x111x Terminate2x Fatal Push2x Lightning Helix2x Kolaghan's Command4x Lightning BoltSorcery x181x Dreadbore3x Thoughtseize4x Faithless Looting4x Inquisition of Kozilek4x Lingering SoulsLands x204x Bloodstained Mire2x Marsh Flats2x Arid Mesa4x Blackcleave Cliffs2x Blood Crypt2x Swamp2x Mountain1x Sacred Foundry1x PlainsSideboard x151x Engineered Explosives1x Dreadbore1x Wear // Tear1x Goblin Rabblemaster1x Hazoret the Feverent2x Anger of the Gods2x Kambal, Consul of Allocation3x Nihil Spellbomb3x Moletn Rain
I'm not really sure what the last two spots in the main should be. If I were to go to a large tournament, I would probably shore up the main with 2x Surgical Extraction just to be safe.
The 2x Lightning Helix are there to help close games out and gain some life back. I know very few lists play them so if they are not good, I have no problem cutting them. Has anyone else ran them and had success with them?
The 1x Nahiri, the Harbinger just seems like it could be good even if it is slow. It could help to be a answer for somethings, card filtering, and grabbing a Bedlam Reveler in a pinch seems good in theory. I have seen a lot of people say the four mana walkers have been to slow for them. Should I turn Nahiri into Kaya, Orzhov Usurper instead? Or are both just bad?
I have seen some lists jam the Blood Moon plan into their board in exchange for some Path to Exile in the main? This, to me, seems like blasphemy for this deck. Has Moon become to slow now? I asked earlier and never got a answer back.
I plan to grab some Leyline of the Void once they come down in price and slot them in over the Nihil Spellbomb. Right now, they are a little rich for my blood.
Quote from Polifemo »Hi everyone guys.
Im thinking about what is the correct number of giver of Runes/Silent clearing in Eldrazi and Taxes. I think that in mono white taxes we can play 4/4 because we have more density or threaths and we only play white. However, in Eldrazi and taxes I´m testing 3 giver of runes (i think we need the fourth slot open) and 3 Silent Clearing because we need the colorless mana for thought know-seer and displacer.
I´m testing this mana configuration:
4 Concealed courtyard
4 Ghost quarter
4 Eldrazi temple
3 Silent Clearing
2 Shambling vent
2 Caves of koilos
what do you think about the number of giver of runes and silent clearing?. Maybe we can cut one caves of koilos and take the third shambling or fourht silent clwaring (but i think 4 copies are too much).
Quote from user-100027818 »I have cut Shambling Vent entirely. Now that we have more 1 drops we absolutely need the first two lands to be untapped. I also think cutting the 4th Talia for a 4th Giver of Runes is correct. Seeing as multiples of Talia is bad, and having Giver on t1 is good with all of our two drops (My list also runs Dark Confidant for this reason).
Quote from xotug »I'm going to try a radical change by eliminating the Leonin Arbiter. I cannot remember when was the last time he was more than a bear.
Arbiter is not going to catch anyone anymore. At soon as they see a Vial at 2 activation they are going to fetch.
The Path without drawbacks is not so increible because you are going to Path really annoying creatures that you need to path inmediatly (Hogaak, Phoenix, Wurmcoil, Shadow, Gurmag...) and you cannot afford to wait for him.
Its like the worst topdeck of any Taxes deck. Without him, we can afford to play the Prismatic Vista to balance the triple color manabase of the Orzhov and Azorius versions and also use Field of Ruin instead of Ghost Quarter to avoid losing a land when destroying a vital land of the opponent.
My mana base will be:
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Silent Clearing
4 Concealed Courtyard
3 Field of Ruin
I will also go to the full grip of Giver.
Quote from XathridY »Regarding Kaya's Guile: That's good news. I thought about replacing my 2 mb Blood Moon with Kaya's Guile. Kind of going away from free wins with Blood Moon but to a better G1 against GY decks and against Burn?!
Btw: Leyline of the Void reprint in M20 - time to stock up our GY hate.