For me, it would be sad to see Faithless Looting. It would essentially die for Creeping Chill pushing Dredge over. Faithless Looting (just like Ancient Stirrings I guess) enables a lot of Modern strategies or make them much better. Without the card, Modern is less diverse.
*On a personal note, I am starting to get bored of Modern. People around my area know me as the "Modern dude," but I seriously am considering playing a format where I can win over 60% of the time (like Standard or Limited, which actually don't look too bad anymore). Maybe if there are some unbannings in the future, I'll be back, but right now seeing stuff on the ban list when Modern has become boring for me (because in the end, that's all that matters) is really a slap in the face.
I have been noticing as standard keep getting better people look at modern with much more scrutiny. Its hard to get behind modern right now given what it is now compared to other formats
Yeah I would think if you are going to include it, you build around it. It DID work as a finisher in that Goblins deck, but then I remember 'oh right I'm playing goblins' and I get dumpstered by a good deck.
I dont know, I'm feeling pretty lost in the format right now, no deck is really fun for me to grind at the moment as there is just so much nonsense going on.
Im in a similar situation. The format keeps getting more refined and the decks I enjoy playing have fallen out of favor. So now im waiting on unbans, a radical meta shift or new cards to help out my decks, so I can justify playing fnm and mtgo. I just can't keep hemorrhaging tickets to play the few decks I enjoy playing. I could play and learn a new deck but have already had to do that multiple times because of meta shifts and bannings, now its just not worth it given that the competitive decks on average dont give the best play experience. The incentives just arent there.
It would drive out entirely all of the interesting "unfair" decks I enjoy playing with, as it would be the best "unfair" deck. Why play Quest Combo or Belcher EVER if Twin exists?
Twin changes nothing for decks like that, they're already unplayable from a competitive standpoint. Adding Twin to the format can't make a deck that's already unplayable even less playable. What Twin does do is make top tier uninteractive linear decks less desirable to play, and interactive decks more desirable. If you had a player on the fence between playing Hollow One or GBx for a tournament, he might land on Hollow One without Twin in the format, but maybe he plays GBx instead if Twin is legal. You can still play Hollow One in the Twin format if you want, but maybe they start running some of their sideboard interaction in the main to hedge against Twin game 1. Or maybe you just stay focused and linear and hope to dodge Twin. It makes those decks less desirable, but not unplayable.
The dream of the Brewer is that no one has tuned those decks correctly so that they ARE playable from a competitive standpoint. I've been testing the Belcher variant that one guy posted on Reddit, saying he's 20-4 in matches this past month, and it's pretty dang good. Gkouru is pretty spot-on, though, in saying that Humans is the new "fair" Twin by making these decks very difficult to play with Meddling Mage and Freebooter forcing you to interact or get trampled to death. They just don't have a 2-card "I win" button that makes them a better version of Belcher; instead, they police the format and cleanup a lot of the silly, degenerate decks a bit more while not being the best degenerate deck. I much prefer things this way, personally.
With Twin in the format, why would I even brew degenerate decks at all? Does it matter if I brew up the next Cheeri0s deck? No, because it'll still never be better than Twin.
I never thought I would see the day where people are citing decks that go against wotc's stated goals of the format as a reason to keep twin banned but here we are. I personally found it much easy and much more enjoyable to brew with twin in the format. It was something you had to account for but so is any deck that sees competitive play. Its worth mentioning that these unfair brews were bad with twin and bad without twin in the format.
I've been looking around a bit last night. Does anyone else have any input on the idea that green is under-represented in modern right now in the top deck line up? I tend to be bigger on FNM level play than the top level these days and I know people still play a lot of green decks at that level. I haven't heard of a lot of top lists being primarily green though, and seeing the decay on Tarmogoyf prices on the second hand market appears to indicate that the pro scene for green is a tad stagnant.
Well, green has the best creatures and mana acceleration... but how many of the top decks are actually looking at casting creatures? Humans is the only such deck, the only creature deck disruptive enough to push through the Combo/Tron/Control gauntlet. Bridgevine and Hollow One are cheating creatures into play, Jund is pretty bad against the decks that are at the top of Modern and Titanshift is far too slow against the other combo decks.
Frankly, who is scared of Tarmogoyf nowadays, when you can have over 10 power on the board on turn 1 or 2, or Karn or a combo on turn 3? Green decks are too fair for Modern.
Given the assessments I've seen elsewhere, I'm now really starting to think they may try to unban GSZ in the near future. At this point searching out a green creature in particular is only of interest to a few decks: Ponza, Nikthos, and possibly Stompy to name a few. Right now Jeskai, Grixis, and UW are the major representation in modern.
i actually think gsz is a great card to unban that has gotten a bad rap. most modern players have been noting a decline in green creature decks (zoo, company decks, some would consider abzan)this is due to multiple reasons. fatal push was a big blow green creature decks particularly zoo. meta shifting to more combo decks they cant race or interact with and control decks playing more "wraths" like terminus you cant play around. gsz has many critics but most of the complaints against the card aren't valid or can be applied to cards currently legal. unbanning gsz means fair green creature decks can possibly come back
idk about twin and all the other bans and unbans people have been talking about but i have really soured on modern. the tier 1 decks are all just miserable to play and play against to me. i really want to like modern but the games just arent rewarding or enjoyable. i get that this is subjective and there is no denying the diversity but most of the actual games after the bbe and jace hyped died down are just races. maybe I just dont see the redeemable qualities.
its nice to see that the unbans of bbe and jace are encouraging more people to discuss more unbans. i remember lurking and seeing people just lose it over the idea of sfm and gsz being unbanned. i have a feeling that gsz and sfm would be perfectly acceptable in the format. sfm and gsz potentiality open up more midrange options in the format while having little risk. no one is losing to gsz or sfm pre turn 4 and they promote interactive magic. the common counter argument is that they limit design space which is true but i would say is greatly over exaggerated. wotc simply hasn't been printing good equipment with sfm banned and i doubt they are ever gonna top batterskull. The green creatures they have been printing are just midrange value or beaters. if you want to do a creature combo strategy chord is likely just better as it gets all creatures and is an instant. the limits design space argument is also just used inconsistently as there are many cards legal in the format that tutor or work well with a specific card type that theoretically should fall under the same scrutiny. i could also see punishing fire and preordain unbanned but i think they have a little more baggage than gsz or sfm. punishing fire and preordain "feel" like they would be ok on power level but the have some questionable play patterns. punishing fire can lock out certain strategies and if there are enough good blue cantrips in a format you run the risk of enabling a blue cantrip consistency engine similar to what we see in legacy, but there are already some very questionable and similar play patterns already in the format so idk. in my opinion modern is the best its been since eldrazi winter and i believe a large part of it is due to recent unbans. if i were running the show i would wait a few more months and release sfm and gsz into the wild but i guess we will see
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I have been noticing as standard keep getting better people look at modern with much more scrutiny. Its hard to get behind modern right now given what it is now compared to other formats
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Im in a similar situation. The format keeps getting more refined and the decks I enjoy playing have fallen out of favor. So now im waiting on unbans, a radical meta shift or new cards to help out my decks, so I can justify playing fnm and mtgo. I just can't keep hemorrhaging tickets to play the few decks I enjoy playing. I could play and learn a new deck but have already had to do that multiple times because of meta shifts and bannings, now its just not worth it given that the competitive decks on average dont give the best play experience. The incentives just arent there.
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I never thought I would see the day where people are citing decks that go against wotc's stated goals of the format as a reason to keep twin banned but here we are. I personally found it much easy and much more enjoyable to brew with twin in the format. It was something you had to account for but so is any deck that sees competitive play. Its worth mentioning that these unfair brews were bad with twin and bad without twin in the format.
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i actually think gsz is a great card to unban that has gotten a bad rap. most modern players have been noting a decline in green creature decks (zoo, company decks, some would consider abzan)this is due to multiple reasons. fatal push was a big blow green creature decks particularly zoo. meta shifting to more combo decks they cant race or interact with and control decks playing more "wraths" like terminus you cant play around. gsz has many critics but most of the complaints against the card aren't valid or can be applied to cards currently legal. unbanning gsz means fair green creature decks can possibly come back
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