Shanebeeps, I can see GW coco being a problem. Graffdiggers cage helps. I bring in brutality to hit mana dorks, voice early and to potentially snag a coco out of hand. Both Lilly's are very good in match up...it's a grind game and u want as much value as u can get. Iok their paths and let them path goyf early to pave the way for dark confidant. They only run 3-4 paths. With our confidant engine online and cascading bbes u should outvalue them.
Liliana of the Veil is bad against a deck that can sacrifice Voice or Kitchen Finks to her -2 and can put a Loxodon Smiter on the battlefield to her +1. She’s the first card I board out against GW Coco.
If decks like GW valuetown, zoo, Abzan Coco, and Dredge start seeing more play, we’ll have to add Kalitas back to the 75.
I have not played coco decks that run loxodon smiter I played many...never seen it, not saying it isn't run just I never played against it, sure I can see that being a problem but not going to play around a card I never see. Lotv has always put tons of work for me vs any coco decks. Lilly plus removal is value for me sure they can sack finks or voice but when it's grind fest. What else u going to do? Spot remove that same threat? Ignore it? I just grind though them and lotv works plus all the removal to keep the board under control she has always worked great. I will keep running her in that match up as long as it keeps working for me. Kalitas was amazing. i agree unless creature decks come back in force I think his time is over.
Shanebeeps, I can see GW coco being a problem. Graffdiggers cage helps. I bring in brutality to hit mana dorks, voice early and to potentially snag a coco out of hand. Both Lilly's are very good in match up...it's a grind game and u want as much value as u can get. Iok their paths and let them path goyf early to pave the way for dark confidant. They only run 3-4 paths. With our confidant engine online and cascading bbes u should outvalue them.
Went 4-0 last night at lgs. Decided to go 25 lands 4 raging ravins and 2 forests. Land worked great all night. I decided not to run push and instead I put in a 3rd k command. I feel 4 bolts 2 terminates 1 decay and 1 pulse main is plenty of removal and I would much rather have the extra terminate over the push anyways. Played... green tron, sulti delver, Burn, Merfolk. I run 4 finks in side due to lots of burn at lgs.
I have not played coco decks that run loxodon smiter I played many...never seen it, not saying it isn't run just I never played against it, sure I can see that being a problem but not going to play around a card I never see. Lotv has always put tons of work for me vs any coco decks. Lilly plus removal is value for me sure they can sack finks or voice but when it's grind fest. What else u going to do? Spot remove that same threat? Ignore it? I just grind though them and lotv works plus all the removal to keep the board under control she has always worked great. I will keep running her in that match up as long as it keeps working for me. Kalitas was amazing. i agree unless creature decks come back in force I think his time is over.
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Blood Crypt
2 swamp
1 stomping ground
4 verdant catacombs
2 forest
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 overgrown tomb
1 wooded foothills
4 raging ravine
4 Bloodbraid Elf
4 Dark Confidant
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Kolaghan's Command
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Abrupt decay
4 Liliana of the Veil
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Terminate
2 Thoughtseize
Side board
4 Kitchen Finks
2 Collective Brutality
2 Nihil Spell bomb
1 Lilly last hope
3 Fulminator mage
1 Ancient grudge
1 Grafdiggers cage
1 maelstrom pulse