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  • posted a message on Stompy
    Quote from EonAon »
    @Marl
    Yes but the 2 for 1 and dies to removal argument basically make you hinder yourself in some matches to the point of you losing because you play too conservatively.

    I mean they can 2 for 1 us when we play aspect of hydra or vines or blossoming in response to us targeting a creature right? We still play them main board. I don't see rancor being that different other than being obvious when we play it.

    This game has a whole lotta IF in it. While stompy doesn't have a lot of responses to IF main board unless they are trying to pre kill one of our creatures and even then its has to be in hand when needed which is another IF anyway.


    Not disagreeing with you at all. I was just being a bit pedantic Smile
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on Stompy
    Dang, I guess I'm in the minority here but I think that Rancor is the best card in the deck and a key reason to play it. It deals more damage than any other single card in nearly every match-up, and is only ever really bad against Chalice Of The Void or a rare Spellskite. I would never play fewer than 4, especially in the lower to the ground zero 3CMC build I've been playing.


    I'm on your side -- and its that much better with Syr Faren to get massive damage through.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on Stompy
    Quote from EonAon »
    My thoughts on the discussion are this, Rancor is actually a very useful card to have main since many of our creatures don't have penetration aids like trample or flying natively. Only steel leaf and avatar have any kind of penetration aid and having rancor added to some of our early creatures with a not insignificant amount of power plus the trample ability so that if/when an opponent does start to block you aren't loosing back end damage. Yes there is the 2 for 1 aspect but then there is always going to be a removal argument as well. Additionally if they do destroy a creature with rancor on it before you at the very least are getting a rancor back for another creature.


    The problem is not when you stick a Rancor it's if they reply to the Rancor which buries it too.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on Throne of Eldraine spoilers
    Quote from PyreDream »
    I agree with Slipper and Tactician, but I really don't think Fierce Witchstalker is a negligible preference choice. It's arguably better than Peema Outrider, and that guy is an all-star. You trade a Servo for a Food token, but you get to keep the full 4/4 stats. At the very least, it represents a direct upgrade to Baloth Gorger, which is barely better if you support super-ramp AND +1/+1 counters. Trample is just better. And getting to chow down on some food to recoup life is a big deal.

    Do let us know how Giant's Skewer goes. It's a bit overpriced and the opponent has way too much control in how you benefit, but I'm hoping for more interesting equipment designs like this one.


    Ah, maybe I've been underestimating Peema. I thought the general preference was for the 5 power 4 drops. I agree that at first blush Witchstalker looks very good (4/4 trample for 4 with upside is pretty nuts)
    Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
  • posted a message on Stompy
    Syr Faren makes it feel like playing Infect sometimes
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on Green 4 drops.
    Quote from Metamind »
    Quote from LucidVision »
    Quote from Metamind »
    Caller is great with many cards. Glorybringer, Flametongue Kavu, Nightpack Ambusher and Deranged Hermit have all been used in recent drafts to great success.


    I've even seen a big ramp deck use Ashen Rider to success!
    While not an optimal target, was extremely fun. I could hear the guy laughing from down the table as he went off.

    Unless you guys are gambling for high stakes or having some kind of professional cube circuit, I do think fun should be a design principle to keep heavily in mind when debating between cards. I found caller to be a fun card.

    Novelty is generally fun, and combining different cards with it means the card stays fresher for longer.

    Yeah I view this as one of the greater strengths of the card, as well as some of the hidden agendas. They always play slightly differently, encourage creativity and generate stories.
    Ashen Rider is certainly risky, but sounds awesome that it worked.

    Other points in its favor is that it is one of the few green four drops that doesn't cost double green mana, and that it allows usage of some of the undrafted cards, so more picks matter. Changing the named card between games is not rare, which amplifies this effect.

    A fresh new Caller of the Untamed story from today's draft. Opponent went first and got:
    T1: Mana Elf
    T2: Ancient Tomb, Caller naming Acidic Slime
    I did not win that game.


    Yeah, it was running plays like that through my mind that convinced me Caller is pretty good Smile
    Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
  • posted a message on Green 4 drops.
    Quote from LucidVision »
    Quote from Metamind »
    Caller is great with many cards. Glorybringer, Flametongue Kavu, Nightpack Ambusher and Deranged Hermit have all been used in recent drafts to great success.


    I've even seen a big ramp deck use Ashen Rider to success!
    While not an optimal target, was extremly fun. I could hear the guy laughing from down the table as he went off.

    Unless you guys are gambling for high stakes or having some kind of professional cube circuit, I do think fun should be a design principle to keep heavily in mind when debating between cards. I found caller to be a fun card.

    Novelty is generally fun, and combining different cards with it means the card stays fresher for longer.


    I concur on this point. Sometimes we push novelty to the point where it ends up being totally unfun. And then we just stop cubing for a while until everyone gets over the resentment. Being berserked out on turn 2 (fill in your own broken scenario) turns out to be really sucky. Who knew.
    Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
  • posted a message on The Official Cube Discussion Thread
    There's at least a little blame in liking Nickelback Smile

    Some of the banding cards are a bit weak as well, but like arcane, there is a very small pool to pull from. You don't need to make brutal cuts to these strategies (or you'll kill the strategy), but I have a hard time seeing Icatian Skirmishers going anywhere.


    We put together some low power stuff sometimes and you are right that Icatian Skirmishers don't cut it. And that is in decks that use some of the other Icatian banders from Fallen Empires.
    Posted in: The Cube Forum
  • posted a message on Green 4 drops.
    Quote from Metamind »
    Caller is great with many cards. Glorybringer, Flametongue Kavu, Nightpack Ambusher and Deranged Hermit have all been used in recent drafts to great success.


    After thinking about it you're right and I'm underestimating the Caller. I'm going to lobby to include it in our next session.
    Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
  • posted a message on [UST][CUBE]Clocknapper
    If you split up the beginning phase you could still achieve a recurring lock if your opponent is tapped out but they would get their card for their turn. If they're not tapped out is the issue (mainly I guess they'd have to draw some removal spell for Clocknapper).

    So I'm not totally sure but I can tell you that Clocknapper is easily a top 5 blue creature if you build around it. By comparison, Arcane Savant can do a few infinite combos by itself but you mostly have to run some rather narrow cards for that (eg Twinflame)
    Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
  • posted a message on Green 4 drops.
    Quote from opterown »



    I think I'm going to test Caller of the Untamed in my next draft. It looks bonkers with Clocknapper!


    The thing with Clocknapper is that you need some way to abuse its ability because natively it isn't as good as you might think at first glance. I'm not sure if Caller of the Untamed qualifies as an effective way to abuse it or not though. It would be good once you (eventually) get it going.
    Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
  • posted a message on Green 4 drops.
    Quote from Visserdrix »
    just a little bit of a bump for one of my pet cards Briarhorn has some of the best blowout stories from all my cube experiences.

    Great flexible cost with evoke for getting through the last few damage on attack, or just taking down a unsuspecting Titan as a defensive play.

    Great for death triggers for cards like meren of clan nel toth if you are into that kind of thing.

    one of the best ways to get a combat trick into cube which is always difficult.


    Briarhorn has always generated highlights whenever we've had it in. Really fond of it personally.
    Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
  • posted a message on [ELD] [CUBE] Inclusions & Testing Thread
    I have no idea what cards or how many we will end up adding but for high powered <=360 Cubes I think Rankle adds something interesting while the Shieldbreaker should be a good roleplayer. I have no idea how Once Upon a Time will work out. Brazen Borrower seems like a great tempo card but most Cubes seem to push heavy control or combo in Blue. We've long thought tempo was on the verge of being too good in blue if you seeded the cards for it ("too good" ofc being relative since there are also a sizable number of insta-wins if you opt to Cube them). Not sure about the gruul persist enabler because I'm not sure if we'd go for persist combo without the Muzzio conspiracy. Persist combo isn't the funnest thing in the world to begin with.

    Resounding "no" on The Royal Scions for us since we just proxied Inzerva, Master of Insights. That thing is ridiculous.
    Posted in: Cube New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on [ELD] [CUBE] Inclusions & Testing Thread
    Does anybody else value the human beaters in red higher due to the human boosters in White? That would make me consider a different cut than Stormblood Berserker for the new Manic Vandal variant.
    Posted in: Cube New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on Stompy
    Aspect kind of requires three drops because otherwise you need 3+ creatures to have it reliably be better than Giant Growth.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
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