Yea I probably should have played them simultaneous. The one guy that controlled me had a card I forget the name something vortex and c0ntrolled my mana. He was more bent on controlling me than paying attention to the board state, which made him lose. They controlled my hydra deck that night also. Politics. I love ghave. I have only lost 3 games out of 17 with him.
I probably could have played politics but I dont believe in them just like I dont side board. I know I know.
I will keep in mind the order to play things like you mentioned that is probably one of the most important pieces of advice. Along with the cards y'all posted one more week ill get the stax cards y'all mentioned or at least some of the higher cost ones.
I only got to play one match last night after the changes, funny i added about 6 mana dorks changed to dual lands and got more mana screwed than before ha, but probably just a bad draw and mulligan it happens. When i did get enough mana to start taking over i had aura shards+Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest was about to lay Ghave, guru of spores and everyone started controlling me. The guy that usually says "i don't play politics" started playing politics saying they should get rid of my cards, (which when i gave him crap for because he denied it). I played horrible but more playtesting should have better results.
@benjameenbear i have worked in what cards i actually own into the Ghave deck that you mentioned... Mostly mana dorks and the removal. Haven't gotten to playtest but we shall see what happens.
I should invest in the doubling season.. I have yet to because people were already not able to keep up with the counters and tokens the deck already produces. Then again maybe i should just do it anyways. Thank you
Nice combo i can see it being a stretch to get that exact opening hand but outside of 60s isn't it always a stretch to get a perfect hand? I never thought about the combo so i will see what it will cost and maybe splurge just like some of the cards Benjameenbear had mentioned.
Most of the cards ( minus the non budget cards) you mentioned in your post i actually have so thats nice. Ill keep swapping and work them in see what pops up.
Oh god i laughed so hard i teared up when i read that Stax Bible you posted. Another category i fall into Stax apparently. The part that says "-Do you feel Land Destruction is a perfectly viable strategy?" ha who doesn't the original deck posted has 3 or 4 land destruction strategies in it. I actually took out armageddon, because people frowned upon land destruction.
I appreciate y'all covering the principals of the game not just saying heres how to fix. Gives me a better insight, and also opens my eyes to a reality, I don't know 1% of what i thought i knew ha.
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed The deck i have built now doesn't have him in it. I do know a few strategies and will read up on him more to better understand. Especially since i never thought, hey whats cheap ways to assemble him other than sacrificing tokens. Ill look into the reanimation strategy, and the listed cards. Also the same with instant speed removal.
You and Cryogen made me realize the sad truth that i just need to start budgeting to get some of the better cards if cEDH is going to be a thing.
Ill read up on stax to better understand it. Smokestack has been a card i have wanted to use.
Have most of the 1 and 2 cmc mana dorks, so ill start there. See why they are important. Guess I didn't think it had the same rule as other formats. In modern I have a Hydra deck and 12 mana ramps, guess is makes sense to include mana ramps in edh ha. Oblivious much Thank you
Ashnod's altar,utopia mycon I like these. I should already have had Utopia mycon in the deck. That adds a third infinite mana combo. I see you didn't list Phyrexian altar is 3cmc the reasoning? I am familiar with how the combos work with the infinite +1/+1 counters, mana, and tokens. Still learning more but those particular ones yes. I am guessing these are what you would assemble with all the cheap tutors?
The Deathrite shaman is that mainly for getting rid of everything? I know it has the ability to but is that where you were headed or is it more creature hate? I ask because of night soil, necrogenesis is an infinite combo ( well until there is no creatures).
Thank you for the deck idea, and all the helpful tips. I will start budgeting and getting some of these cards you and cryogen have listed. If there is anything here i said that doesn't make sense or if yall dont think that i understand what yall are saying then please just mention it.
I will see about adding some of those ramps, pending some suggested cuts from people. Sandwurm convergence will be the first cut. Most my mana base was off making creature tokens to sac for mana and that was also my removal. Idealistic? probably not it's just worked so far. I have Aura shardsDictate of erebosGrave pact for removal I'm guessing those aren't exactly the removals you were hoping for?
I was not aware until i found this forum that cEDH is where I belong. That being said i don't have the most experience in this area but i like to learn. Most cards you will find me saying there is a reason for every card, but please do not take that as your opinion does not matter. I simply say why it was in there, where it was headed, so in case a person did not see that combo or idea. As for money I have a [curse word goes here] "budget", by budget i mean around 30$ for a card tops, but I am still open to you posting a card over that. Short story long....
My idea for the deck was trying to make every card interact with every other card. If it didn't it was removed, unless I didn't notice something. Create tokens, add +1/+1 counters, and sacrifice things.
Okay, I see that Utopia works with Karametra. You can get a lot of mana, not infinite. The Arbors would help get infinite mana. I also don't know what the cost of Arena is, I don't play it. I play Paper magic & MTGO where Arbors are like $5 tops, fetches are also $10-25 tops.
Again: I don't know the economy of Arena. On paper, the Dryads are $20 together and the fetches at cheapest are $40 for play set.
As for my suggestion: Dryad Arbor is a Forest Dryad, a land creature. With Utopia you enchant Dryad as it'll give you UG with Freed from the Real allows it to untap and generate infinite green mana.
I don't see where arena comes into play. I play paper, and this deck wouldn't be available on arena. I see the combo now thank you for that. One thing that would make me not do that is you put all the enchantments on a 1/1 creature that is easily removed, and when it is you lose all enchantments. Whereas the other way they are spread out. You play against enough Bogles decks you learn not to put everything on one creature. I will think about it though.
I would like to know where you are getting these prices though. I use tcg player and they are for example Windswept Heath average 13.66$ each, and Dryad Arbor Cheapest price is currently 13.04$ each
Okay, I see that Utopia works with Karametra. You can get a lot of mana, not infinite. The Arbors would help get infinite mana. I also don't know what the cost of Arena is, I don't play it. I play Paper magic & MTGO where Arbors are like $5 tops, fetches are also $10-25 tops.
I don't think you understand the combo, but i would like to understand how dryad arbors would help get infinite mana.
!0-25 dollars tops. The cards you want to throw in add up to 40-100 dollars for fetch lands i am guessing you want to add 4, and 40-60 dollars for dryad arbors. Im curious of the strategy?
Get 4 Dryad Arbor in your deck. Because that blue enchantment doesn't work, at all at the current build. You put Freed from the Real on Dryad Arbor with Utopia Sprawl. There's cards that can turn your lands into 3/3 creatures that also work, none that come to mind sadly. With Dryad Arbor in your deck, consider running 4-6 green fetch lands to find Dryad Arbor.
I guess i should have mentioned what the deck does. At the current build do you know the direction of what it is doing? Maybe we could establish that before we talk about adding 48$ for dryad arbors and more than that for fetch lands.
You need Cavern of Souls and Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx to help generate massive mana and protect your creatures. Mutavault can become a 2/2 Hydra as well as generate C. You really don't need those enchantments, you can use Primal Command to help find creatures, give health, restore your creature count in your deck, also might want to try Bellowing Tanglewurm to give your creatures Intimidate. I'd also up the Heroic Interventions
I probably could have played politics but I dont believe in them just like I dont side board. I know I know.
I will keep in mind the order to play things like you mentioned that is probably one of the most important pieces of advice. Along with the cards y'all posted one more week ill get the stax cards y'all mentioned or at least some of the higher cost ones.
I should invest in the doubling season.. I have yet to because people were already not able to keep up with the counters and tokens the deck already produces. Then again maybe i should just do it anyways. Thank you
Nice combo i can see it being a stretch to get that exact opening hand but outside of 60s isn't it always a stretch to get a perfect hand? I never thought about the combo so i will see what it will cost and maybe splurge just like some of the cards Benjameenbear had mentioned.
Most of the cards ( minus the non budget cards) you mentioned in your post i actually have so thats nice. Ill keep swapping and work them in see what pops up.
This is a good read thank you for recommending it. Also for explaining the reasoning for the cards listed above. Deathrite ShamanPhyrexian altarDiabolic tutor.
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed The deck i have built now doesn't have him in it. I do know a few strategies and will read up on him more to better understand. Especially since i never thought, hey whats cheap ways to assemble him other than sacrificing tokens. Ill look into the reanimation strategy, and the listed cards. Also the same with instant speed removal.
You and Cryogen made me realize the sad truth that i just need to start budgeting to get some of the better cards if cEDH is going to be a thing.
Ill read up on stax to better understand it. Smokestack has been a card i have wanted to use.
Have most of the 1 and 2 cmc mana dorks, so ill start there. See why they are important. Guess I didn't think it had the same rule as other formats. In modern I have a Hydra deck and 12 mana ramps, guess is makes sense to include mana ramps in edh ha. Oblivious much Thank you
Ashnod's altar,utopia mycon I like these. I should already have had Utopia mycon in the deck. That adds a third infinite mana combo. I see you didn't list Phyrexian altar is 3cmc the reasoning? I am familiar with how the combos work with the infinite +1/+1 counters, mana, and tokens. Still learning more but those particular ones yes. I am guessing these are what you would assemble with all the cheap tutors?
The Deathrite shaman is that mainly for getting rid of everything? I know it has the ability to but is that where you were headed or is it more creature hate? I ask because of night soil, necrogenesis is an infinite combo ( well until there is no creatures).
Thank you for the deck idea, and all the helpful tips. I will start budgeting and getting some of these cards you and cryogen have listed. If there is anything here i said that doesn't make sense or if yall dont think that i understand what yall are saying then please just mention it.
Anything else. Ill post updated deck.
Cards replaced:
1 Ghave, Guru of Spores
Creature
1 Fertilid
1 Devoted Druid
1 Mikaeus, the Lunarch
1 Kalonian Hydra
1 Pitiless Plunderer
1 Filth
1 Creakwood Liege
1 Bloodspore Thrinax
1 Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest
1 Tendershoot Dryad
1 Brawn
1 Sporemound
1 Mycoloth
1 Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
1 Corpsejack Menace
1 Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
Enchantment
1 Night Soil
1 Phyrexian Reclamation
1 Fecundity
1 Mind Slash
1 Life and Limb
1 Grave Pact
1 Beastmaster Ascension
1 Aura Shards
1 Parallel Lives
1 Awakening Zone
1 Grave Betrayal
1 Gift of Immortality
1 Dictate of Erebos
1 Evolutionary Leap
1 From Beyond
1 Vampiric Rites
1 Cryptolith Rite
1 Anointed Procession
1 Growing Rites of Itlimoc
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Cathars' Crusade
1 Land Tax
1 Smothering Tithe
8 Swamp
9 Forest
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Riftstone Portal
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Reliquary Tower
8 Plains
1 Gavony Township
1 Vault of the Archangel
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1 Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
1 Temple Garden
Artifact
1 Altar of Dementia
1 Phyrexian Altar
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Sol Ring
1 Skullclamp
1 Altar of the Brood
1 Eldrazi Monument
1 Ashnod's Altar
1 Planar Bridge
1 Helm of the Host
1 Chromatic Lantern
Instant
1 Chord of Calling
1 Eerie Interlude
Sorcery
1 Nature's Lore
1 Parallel Evolution
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Praetor's Grasp
1 Harmonize
1 Cultivate
1 Diabolic Revelation
1 Jarad's Orders
1 Nissa's Pilgrimage
1 Farseek
1 Regrowth
1 Final Parting
1 Huatli, Radiant Champion
Roast Away
1 Ghave, Guru of Spores
Creature
1 Fertilid
1 Devoted Druid
1 Mikaeus, the Lunarch
1 Kalonian Hydra
1 Pitiless Plunderer
1 Filth
1 Creakwood Liege
1 Bloodspore Thrinax
1 Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest
1 Tendershoot Dryad
1 Brawn
1 Sporemound
1 Mycoloth
1 Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
1 Corpsejack Menace
1 Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
Enchantment
1 Night Soil
1 Phyrexian Reclamation
1 Fecundity
1 Mind Slash
1 Life and Limb
1 Grave Pact
1 Beastmaster Ascension
1 Aura Shards
1 Parallel Lives
1 Awakening Zone
1 Grave Betrayal
1 Gift of Immortality
1 Dictate of Erebos
1 Evolutionary Leap
1 From Beyond
1 Vampiric Rites
1 Cryptolith Rite
1 Anointed Procession
1 Sandwurm Convergence
1 Growing Rites of Itlimoc
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Cathars' Crusade
1 Land Tax
1 Smothering Tithe
8 Swamp
9 Forest
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Riftstone Portal
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Reliquary Tower
8 Plains
1 Gavony Township
1 Vault of the Archangel
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1 Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
1 Temple Garden
Artifact
1 Altar of Dementia
1 Phyrexian Altar
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Sol Ring
1 Skullclamp
1 Altar of the Brood
1 Eldrazi Monument
1 Ashnod's Altar
1 Planar Bridge
1 Helm of the Host
1 Chromatic Lantern
Instant
1 Chord of Calling
1 Eerie Interlude
Sorcery
1 Diabolic Tutor
1 Parallel Evolution
1 Praetor's Grasp
1 Harmonize
1 Cultivate
1 Diabolic Revelation
1 Fungal Sprouting
1 Jarad's Orders
1 Nissa's Pilgrimage
1 Regrowth
1 Final Parting
1 Huatli, Radiant Champion
My idea for the deck was trying to make every card interact with every other card. If it didn't it was removed, unless I didn't notice something. Create tokens, add +1/+1 counters, and sacrifice things.
Yea i don't know why arena came up.
I don't see where arena comes into play. I play paper, and this deck wouldn't be available on arena. I see the combo now thank you for that. One thing that would make me not do that is you put all the enchantments on a 1/1 creature that is easily removed, and when it is you lose all enchantments. Whereas the other way they are spread out. You play against enough Bogles decks you learn not to put everything on one creature. I will think about it though.
I would like to know where you are getting these prices though. I use tcg player and they are for example Windswept Heath average 13.66$ each, and Dryad Arbor Cheapest price is currently 13.04$ each
I don't think you understand the combo, but i would like to understand how dryad arbors would help get infinite mana.
!0-25 dollars tops. The cards you want to throw in add up to 40-100 dollars for fetch lands i am guessing you want to add 4, and 40-60 dollars for dryad arbors. Im curious of the strategy?
I guess i should have mentioned what the deck does. At the current build do you know the direction of what it is doing? Maybe we could establish that before we talk about adding 48$ for dryad arbors and more than that for fetch lands.
The enchantments aside from Rancor make the deck a turn 2 infinite mana combo. I love the idea of cavern of souls extremely. Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx I actually have this card on hand it is in my Ghave Guru of Spores commander deck but can easily be swapped the devotion does add up fast. I may replace Impervious greatwurm with Bellowing Tanglewurm Thank you