I'm also very interested in hearing a bit more about the deck. I have colourless eldrazi sleeved up too but am interested in trying out some big octopus creatures.
Super interesting list XOPYC. I'm a big fan of grindy loam strategies and am sad that there haven't been any good ones in modern for the last couple of years. What's up with 0 manlands?
I think your manabase is suboptimal, right now you have 16 black sources which is not enough to support a turn 3 LoTV/LtLH. Given that you run 6 Lili PWs this is absolutely crucial. You could count FoR as black sources as well, but you get to activate it the soonest on turn 3, so this is not a good thing to do. 8 blue sources without FoR is also way too few. You want to be able to snapcaster + discard/push on turn 3, and you cannot do that. Your green sources are alright (15).
I would dumb FoR completely and play more fetchlands. 6 basics is also too many, I would settle for 4-max 5.
Thanks for the quick reply! Yeah, I did wonder if FoR was pushing it a bit in a 3-colour deck. I guess that's one of the draws of straight GB.
I'm interested in building a GBu deck which just splashes for Snapcaster MD, but plays cards like Countersquall and the new cranial effect out of the board. I haven't played much GBx before (just a bit of Jund) so I'm hoping someone else with more experience is trying something similar and can point me in the right direction. I just drew up this totally arbitrary list:
4 goyf
4 tracker
3 ooze
3 snapcaster
4 push
4 trophy
1 pulse
4 lotv
2 ltlh
4 inquisition
2 thoughtseize
1 cobru
4 verdant cat
4 blooming marsh
2 overgrown tomb
1 breeding pool
1 watery grave
1 treetop village
1 hissing quagmire
1 creeping tar pit
3 field of ruin
3 swamp
2 forest
1 island
That's probably not enough basics to support FoR but I don't know if I should play more basics and the full set of fields, or just drop the fields and use the slots to play more manlands. I don't much like the idea of the heavier Jace approach because it seems like a bigger liability if lots of people are going to be maindecking trophy when it comes out (whether or not they continue to do so long term is another question).
Wow fantastic and detailed response, thank you very much! You mention in your article that you no longer think the deck is one of the best things you can be doing. What is your take on what the best decks (or strategies in general) are right now?
Does anyone have any idea if there is a place where discussion of suicide/shadow zoo tends to take place? I'm interested in decks like this https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1245983 which have been popping up occasionally. I know there has been a little bit of discussion of it in this thread but was hoping there was some dedicated thread or discord perhaps.
Fantastic post @Spooly, really appreciate your insight. As someone who is just starting to get into the format (longtime legacy player) I find these kind of breakdowns to be really helpful. Looking forward to your article!
edit: Did anyone ever try Whispers of Emrakul out of the board with this deck?
edit2: I found the search function. New question: has any reconsidered playing it lately?
Does anyone in here play both grixis shadow and grixis control? I'd be interested to hear what makes you want to play one over the other and how you think they are both faring right now.
I don't know how do you beat Tron with the Miracles version.
I'm still playing the classic list with 4 spreading seas and it's a very difficult matchup. I can't play it with only counters and 4 field of ruin.
I'm curious about this too. What do people find are their hardest matchups with the Terminus version of the deck? (Wondering because I have most of the cards for it, but haven't played any games with it)
I'm very excited to find this deck. Heartbeat Desire with Cunning Wish, Gifts, etc was my main deck for literally years back in Extended. I also spent some time casting Krosan Reclamation back in the early 2000s haha.
I'm a legacy player who is looking at getting into Modern. If I wanted to find a relatively stock list now to try this deck out, what would you all recommend? Asking here because the list in the primer is from before the printing of Precognition Field, which seems to be an extremely good card in the deck.
I really like the look of something like this. Have you had the chance to refine it any more?
This deck looks incredible and perfectly coincides with the tcgplayer 10% kickback...
I used to play the old borderpost cascade versions but this seems to be heading in a good direction to me.
Thanks for the quick reply! Yeah, I did wonder if FoR was pushing it a bit in a 3-colour deck. I guess that's one of the draws of straight GB.
4 goyf
4 tracker
3 ooze
3 snapcaster
4 push
4 trophy
1 pulse
4 lotv
2 ltlh
4 inquisition
2 thoughtseize
1 cobru
4 verdant cat
4 blooming marsh
2 overgrown tomb
1 breeding pool
1 watery grave
1 treetop village
1 hissing quagmire
1 creeping tar pit
3 field of ruin
3 swamp
2 forest
1 island
That's probably not enough basics to support FoR but I don't know if I should play more basics and the full set of fields, or just drop the fields and use the slots to play more manlands. I don't much like the idea of the heavier Jace approach because it seems like a bigger liability if lots of people are going to be maindecking trophy when it comes out (whether or not they continue to do so long term is another question).
edit: Thanks! I'm in.
edit: Did anyone ever try Whispers of Emrakul out of the board with this deck?
edit2: I found the search function. New question: has any reconsidered playing it lately?
I'm curious about this too. What do people find are their hardest matchups with the Terminus version of the deck? (Wondering because I have most of the cards for it, but haven't played any games with it)
I'm a legacy player who is looking at getting into Modern. If I wanted to find a relatively stock list now to try this deck out, what would you all recommend? Asking here because the list in the primer is from before the printing of Precognition Field, which seems to be an extremely good card in the deck.