Hey Went to the Prerelease this past saturday, had a blast. 50 people, went 6-0 first place = 23 boosters. I think i should have some Anathamancers once i open all the boosters (no time to do that).
All i gotta say is terminate is amazing (opened 2 of them). Lightning reaver (foil) won me a ton of games. I can deff see this card being a force someday (probly not in this meta tho).
I have a question for the people who like thought hem, What do you name vs the decks you sb it in? vs 5cc? I have had the card in sb for a while, i havent been able to draw/resolve it vs ANY DECK i sbed it in. so much for testing 50+ games with it.
Ill keep this breef, since i didnt do too hot. *was on 1800mm of Ibuprofen for my wisdom teeth* No excuses tho.
My meta is USUALLY 5cc, with some b/w tokens, boat and fae. Not today....
ROUND 1 5cc Planswalkers.
Wasnt really ready for this mu. He went from condemn to terror to esper charm to cryptic to ajani/garruk. I was able to clear the board/his hand, but got mana flooded. turn 15 i had 13 lands, and he topdeck like a champ.
G2 I got a lil mana screwed, and his ajani tapping down a land didnt help. He overran me with CA and planswalkers.
Round 2 MIRROR Blightning.
G1 i came out to fast, removing his creatures. G2 i Sb Wild ricochet, I Pointed a blightning right back at his face, taking out 4 cards 6 dmge to the FACE ouch.
Round 3 MIRROR Blightning.
Its getting redicilous. I was expecting 5cc... Anyways Same as round 2. I was able to burn him out, G2 he got mana screwed and i didnt.
Round 4 M white Kithking.
Didnt wanna see this mu. He came out fast, i had to fall out. Then he goes for Ranger - 2 BFT (md) and ajani. He runs me over. G2 Very similar. Outlander almost killed him, but he sacked a few BFT to Prevent its dmg. *** REMEBER ppl, bft can still PREVENT outlander even tho it has protection. Sad but true.
I went 2-2 drop, there was really no point to stay around, Plus the pills were making me sleepy. Dam wisdom teeth coming out.
Kithkin can be a rough MU, but 5cc is probably my second best MU (next to fae) I've been beating up on islands and vivid lands ever since i started playing the deck
Thats funny, becuase i keep reading on the 5cc forums that Blighting is one of THEIR best mu's... ahah silly 5cc players.
Sygg is just BAD! 2 black mana expensive... SLOW! too slow! and wick!
Outlander is our 2 drop! He don't dies for anything white! (obv) PtE! Celestial purge! etc etc. oh wait and he don't dies for terror too!
Come on this guy is absolutely good! Even on fae mu it is pretty cool. Not that good obv, but good enought to be played mainboard in this meta.
I feel the same. After readin about sygg on here i tested it in about 50 games. I have to admit i was hopin for some tech w this card. But i found out that there is a reason there wasnt a deck that top 8d with it at any major event. I felt like i was not as productive as i hoped. Outlander came rite bak, since it really helps in our worst mus(xpt elves and jund tokens) i dont really care about fae. Fae is a bye for me (fallouts md)
Congrats Wilier! looks like a pretty solid list.
I'm new with this deck and I think I'm having some troubles to sideboard correctly. Could you please give me some advice for which cards should I remove when sideboarding? it was really difficult to decide especially against mirror and boat brew.
Your Sb looking pretty solid, i would go 4 infest, but thats cuz i want my sb geared toward Boat brew/tokens/kith, since that MU is horrible! I like the thoughtsieze, they are great, im going back and forth on the guttural responce, im actually running 2 off in my sb. They counter Cryptic, esper charm, and bant charm(if any1 running it) negate, remov soul and broken. Wild rechochet is deff solid, make sure you play it correctly. (like the whole how do you change targets of cryptic argument).
So in sb I didn't find 3 deathmark so play 1 death mark and 2 magma spray.
This was my version of blightning, my build. Adapted to have a better mu vs 5cc and windbrisk deck's.
The match's:
1-BR Goblins:
Obv a easy game 2-0
2-Esper LLark 1-2
This game was insane i win the first one easy, and lose the 2 and 3rd game.
People laught about the game like i had 10 mountains and no black mana and draw 3 outlander's consecutive's.
The 3rd was like the guy on 3 life and draw lands and lands, no burn gg.
3-Kithkins WW 2-0
Not big deal 3 terror main, 3 VF, and outlander's for the gg. Pos side Infest for the gg.
4-Boat brew 2-0
First i win with fod and ramgang on the table and eot VF and in my turn another ram gang gg.
second both screw but i had my 3rd land first and go on blightning and ram gang's
My worst mu and I win 2-0 cool i think
5- 4/5cc llark 2-1
Fulminator's and llark main board... cool.
1st game he make 2 fulminator's but not enought when he is tapped i play blightning, ram gang etc
2nd he win, he had everything to respond, purge, counter, terror etc etc
3rd DOUBLE BLIGHTNING RESOLVED with help of one guttural response.
Nothing more to say
5- fae 2-1
1st I win easier fod and mogg fanatic rules
2nd Mulligan at 5 for me and he kept a 7 cards hand. My hand: FOD, Incinerate, 3 lands. he stay on 5 life
3rd I have always the control of the table with fod mogg and ramgang then a banefir of a 7 cards hand kept do it at all.
So I only want to say one thing: I didnt lose one 1st game of each match! I win allways!!! I think this mainboard is really good.
my 2 cent's.
Congrats on da wins! I really like ur list, looks exacly like the 1 ive been playin 4 the last 2 months. How do u like sgc as a 3 0ff?
I have the exact same problem a guy near where i play has GB elves with MD wilt-leaf liege(since colossus sucks now), kitchen finks, and at least two primal command in the board. I know this guy personally and we have played casually several times and competitively twice and to date i have NEVER beaten that deck with blightning...should i just not worry about this MU or is there something i could be doing better i just dont know, it seems that that deck is just the answer to blightning...
Gb Elves is a pretty bad mu, no doubt. I found that they have cheaper/bigger creatures then us, which is always a problem. All i can tell you is u need to run 4 terrors sb/md, and u can sb death mark and even Wild ricochet! - U can redirect primal/profane and copy it. other then that just burn/kill as many creatures as possible to clear the way = we have more removal then they do!
Round 2 vs The Rock
Win 2-1
SB: Out: 1 Fallout 4 Hellspark 1 Incinerate In: 3 Earwing 3 Deathmark
Round 3 vs Fae
2-0
SB: Out: 2 Outlander In: 2 Terror
Round 4 vs Dark Bant
Won 2-1
SB: Out: 4 Hellspark In: 1 Hammer 4 Deathark
Round 4 vs Jund Ramp
ID
First Place, 6 Pack, and a freaking sweet Nicol Bolas playmat!:D
Congrats on your win, just question, how was squad? Did you have problems resovling it vs 5cc? would thoghtseize be better? Also how was squad vs rock? what did you take?
Well it looks like with Terminate being reprinted, Terror will not be. Makes perfect sense. Only down side of Terminate - Forge tender is still immune (one of the reasons i was running terror MD).
The new labatomy makes me happy. I used to play that card in B/U Control back in the Invasion days (if any1 remembers that awesome set). The damage is deff an added bonus, and it will be sbed vs control and combo (if it arises). The card is deff solid, especially if you play thoughtsieze before to k now whats in their hand.
Let me know what you guys think. War Monks have been working out for me... and I really like Ajani as well. Its got a pretty low curve, and a tonna card draw.
Tested about 50 games, R/b BLightning is the worst MU preSB for me. Any ideas?
Well i tested sygg (4 md) last nite, got it turn 2 about 50% of the time. Times it didtn get removed, i had my spells countered, ramp gangs blocked, or the board was wrathed. Only MU's it was relevant was Lark and RDW. Lark had trouble removing it, and i drew a buncha cards by burning face. RDW choice not to remove it and burn my face... Dumb idea.
Vs Doran rock it was pretty horrible, as well as Dark bant. It was a 1/3 that did nothing agressive. I totally hated it in this MU, even tho with doran its a 3/3. Outlander would've been alot better.
Vs R/w kithkin it was not bad it bought me time, and was a buffer for forge Tender.
Vs 5 cc it got removed and/or other spells got countered. It is deff not agressive to put 5cc on a clock... even if we both drawing cards THEIR lategame cards are so much better then ours (specially with the curve toping out at 3cc).
For me its outlander for now. Ill do more testing with sygg, but so far... when it works it works, but most of the time it doesnt not. Most of the time i felt it was sort of win MORE.
Terror is superior because it is an instant. This has held true for quite some time. The only reason why Deathmark should be an option is if you see Doran running rampant in your metagame. Aside from Doran, there aren't too many creatures that Terror doesn't kill as well.
Also, Terror kills everything in Faeries which deathmark does not. Having terrors to kill mistbind/sower is pretty good.
Just because your deck gets by without them doesn't mean it isn't optimal. I could go to any jank fnm and play this deck without flame javelins or figures some random day and do well; however, that doesn't mean that I shouldn't be running good cards just because I can do well at FNM without them.
Also, I don't think any of us will be seeing Sygg, River Cutthroat at any major event anytime soon. The card is cute, but not efficient. In an aggro deck why would I want to drop a 1/3 creature and pass the turn when I could drop an actual threat or have more burn? Aggro decks are not about card advantage. They are about efficient spells and tempo.
Well bass you hit the Nail right on the HEAD so to say. Terror should be considered for MD atm.
About Sygg, thats exacly my argument, 1/3 that needs additional cards to actually do dmg. We get card advantage with Blight and fast beaters.
The new cards look good, especially the new Carnial Extraction. I mean not only do they get hit for 3, but you get to take ALL COPIES. So vs 5 cc you can name dragon, cruel or cryptic to criple their key cards. I think this will be a solid sb card in the future.
The 5 mana instant looks cute, but the random reveil and play for free is nto good in a agro deck, since our curve is 1-5. and 4 dmge should be creature or player to BE GOOD.
I tried to check with the Sygg, but I just keep not seeing why the deck needs it.
Okay, it helps you late game, but you are an aggro deck, so you want to win really fast.
I love to go:
T1: FoD,
T2: Pump FoD + Mogg Fanatic
or something like that...
The Sygg is great if you play it on turn 2, but do you really need it? When you can also just pump, play an hellspark elemental. Or a terror/incinerate to take care of your opponents cards.
In the matchup vs. any whie cards, you just want to Outlander on Turn 2.
So Turn 2 falls away, then we have turn 3, where I want to play Blightning, Boggart Ram-Gang, Flame Javelin or just pump the FoD to a 4/4.
In turn 4 you just want to attack and this might be the first time that I really want to play the Sygg, but I also want to be able to just get rid of my opps creatures to get my damage through. So it wouldn't be weird if I just play a terror, banefire, incinerate or flame javelin here.
Alright, coming to turn 5... well, here it is just the last points of damage you need. So do I need the sygg? Nope... I have Siege-Gang Commander on turn 5, if needed...
Turn 6... Banefire for 5 - Kill?
I just can't see it... Why does the deck need sygg? It's just a Sygg, River Cutthroat that just is there doing... well nothing on its own.
You want cards that do something on it's own in this deck... well, imho
My feeling tells me, that the Sygg just slows your deck down, while you want to go all in. You want to go aggro.
I opened +/- 20 top 8 decks on deckcheck. 0 played sygg... Might say something...
About the ghitu's:
It just takes out a hell of a lot of cards in this format. And it lives after a ***, Volcanic Fallout or Ultimatum. Might be the last 2 damage you need after that...
I love playing 2 of them and wouldn't remove any. I might even add 1...
Im gonna go ahead and agree with you on this 1. Sygg is slow, gets in ther for 1, and a bad topdeck late game. Does little on its own, and is 2 black mana.
The point about 0 top 8 decks on deck Chek had sygg shows you that no1 really thinks it has a place in the deck (even tho people on here are digging the card). This isnt a very good argument, but if you have results from an actual event (not some mws play), Please do share!
Guys, have you seen this deck, rather succesfull 3rd place on National Qualifier in Belgium? http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=24495
Its interesting decision to use just 1 Siege-Gang and whole 1 Caldera Hellion. Is it versus elves and doran-bant?
Nice Find Gort, SpasiBo
I havent check that site in a while.
The lists look solid, i must note the differences in SB for both blight decks. List placing 5th looks more consistant, i like the Thoughtseize in sb.
I really wonder how Bblossoms and Stigma lashers worked out. When and for what did he sb it? hmmm
All i gotta say is terminate is amazing (opened 2 of them). Lightning reaver (foil) won me a ton of games. I can deff see this card being a force someday (probly not in this meta tho).
I have a question for the people who like thought hem, What do you name vs the decks you sb it in? vs 5cc? I have had the card in sb for a while, i havent been able to draw/resolve it vs ANY DECK i sbed it in. so much for testing 50+ games with it.
Ill keep this breef, since i didnt do too hot. *was on 1800mm of Ibuprofen for my wisdom teeth* No excuses tho.
My meta is USUALLY 5cc, with some b/w tokens, boat and fae. Not today....
LIST
8 [TE] Mountain
2 [TE] Reflecting Pool
4 [SHM] Graven Cairns
4 [7E] Sulfurous Springs
4 [LRW] Auntie's Hovel
2 [10E] Ghitu Encampment
// Creatures
4 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
4 [SHM] Boggart Ram-Gang
4 [CNF] Goblin Outlander
4 [TE] Mogg Fanatic
2 [10E] Siege-Gang Commander
4 [SHM] Flame Javelin
4 [IA] Incinerate
4 [ALA] Blightning
3 [6E] Terror
2 [CNF] Volcanic Fallout
1 [CNF] Banefire
ROUND 1 5cc Planswalkers.
Wasnt really ready for this mu. He went from condemn to terror to esper charm to cryptic to ajani/garruk. I was able to clear the board/his hand, but got mana flooded. turn 15 i had 13 lands, and he topdeck like a champ.
G2 I got a lil mana screwed, and his ajani tapping down a land didnt help. He overran me with CA and planswalkers.
Round 2 MIRROR Blightning.
G1 i came out to fast, removing his creatures. G2 i Sb Wild ricochet, I Pointed a blightning right back at his face, taking out 4 cards 6 dmge to the FACE ouch.
Round 3 MIRROR Blightning.
Its getting redicilous. I was expecting 5cc... Anyways Same as round 2. I was able to burn him out, G2 he got mana screwed and i didnt.
Round 4 M white Kithking.
Didnt wanna see this mu. He came out fast, i had to fall out. Then he goes for Ranger - 2 BFT (md) and ajani. He runs me over. G2 Very similar. Outlander almost killed him, but he sacked a few BFT to Prevent its dmg. *** REMEBER ppl, bft can still PREVENT outlander even tho it has protection. Sad but true.
I went 2-2 drop, there was really no point to stay around, Plus the pills were making me sleepy. Dam wisdom teeth coming out.
See yall at the prerelease!
Thats funny, becuase i keep reading on the 5cc forums that Blighting is one of THEIR best mu's... ahah silly 5cc players.
I feel the same. After readin about sygg on here i tested it in about 50 games. I have to admit i was hopin for some tech w this card. But i found out that there is a reason there wasnt a deck that top 8d with it at any major event. I felt like i was not as productive as i hoped. Outlander came rite bak, since it really helps in our worst mus(xpt elves and jund tokens) i dont really care about fae. Fae is a bye for me (fallouts md)
Your Sb looking pretty solid, i would go 4 infest, but thats cuz i want my sb geared toward Boat brew/tokens/kith, since that MU is horrible! I like the thoughtsieze, they are great, im going back and forth on the guttural responce, im actually running 2 off in my sb. They counter Cryptic, esper charm, and bant charm(if any1 running it) negate, remov soul and broken. Wild rechochet is deff solid, make sure you play it correctly. (like the whole how do you change targets of cryptic argument).
Congrats on da wins! I really like ur list, looks exacly like the 1 ive been playin 4 the last 2 months. How do u like sgc as a 3 0ff?
Gb Elves is a pretty bad mu, no doubt. I found that they have cheaper/bigger creatures then us, which is always a problem. All i can tell you is u need to run 4 terrors sb/md, and u can sb death mark and even Wild ricochet! - U can redirect primal/profane and copy it. other then that just burn/kill as many creatures as possible to clear the way = we have more removal then they do!
Congrats on your win, just question, how was squad? Did you have problems resovling it vs 5cc? would thoghtseize be better? Also how was squad vs rock? what did you take?
The new labatomy makes me happy. I used to play that card in B/U Control back in the Invasion days (if any1 remembers that awesome set). The damage is deff an added bonus, and it will be sbed vs control and combo (if it arises). The card is deff solid, especially if you play thoughtsieze before to k now whats in their hand.
3 Broodmate Dragon
4 Rhox War Monk
4 Elvish Visionary
2 Cruel Ultimatum
4 Contersquall
4 Esper Charm
2 Path to exile
2 Volcanic Fallout
4 Ajani Vengeant
3 Oblivion Ring
1 Nicol Bolas Planeswalker
2 Courier's Capsule
3 Cancel
4 Celestial Purge
3 Infest
1 Countersqual
2 Bant Charm
2 Resounding Thunder
Let me know what you guys think. War Monks have been working out for me... and I really like Ajani as well. Its got a pretty low curve, and a tonna card draw.
Tested about 50 games, R/b BLightning is the worst MU preSB for me. Any ideas?
Vs Doran rock it was pretty horrible, as well as Dark bant. It was a 1/3 that did nothing agressive. I totally hated it in this MU, even tho with doran its a 3/3. Outlander would've been alot better.
Vs R/w kithkin it was not bad it bought me time, and was a buffer for forge Tender.
Vs 5 cc it got removed and/or other spells got countered. It is deff not agressive to put 5cc on a clock... even if we both drawing cards THEIR lategame cards are so much better then ours (specially with the curve toping out at 3cc).
For me its outlander for now. Ill do more testing with sygg, but so far... when it works it works, but most of the time it doesnt not. Most of the time i felt it was sort of win MORE.
Well bass you hit the Nail right on the HEAD so to say. Terror should be considered for MD atm.
About Sygg, thats exacly my argument, 1/3 that needs additional cards to actually do dmg. We get card advantage with Blight and fast beaters.
The new cards look good, especially the new Carnial Extraction. I mean not only do they get hit for 3, but you get to take ALL COPIES. So vs 5 cc you can name dragon, cruel or cryptic to criple their key cards. I think this will be a solid sb card in the future.
The 5 mana instant looks cute, but the random reveil and play for free is nto good in a agro deck, since our curve is 1-5. and 4 dmge should be creature or player to BE GOOD.
Im gonna go ahead and agree with you on this 1. Sygg is slow, gets in ther for 1, and a bad topdeck late game. Does little on its own, and is 2 black mana.
The point about 0 top 8 decks on deck Chek had sygg shows you that no1 really thinks it has a place in the deck (even tho people on here are digging the card). This isnt a very good argument, but if you have results from an actual event (not some mws play), Please do share!
Nice Find Gort, SpasiBo
I havent check that site in a while.
The lists look solid, i must note the differences in SB for both blight decks. List placing 5th looks more consistant, i like the Thoughtseize in sb.
I really wonder how Bblossoms and Stigma lashers worked out. When and for what did he sb it? hmmm