Interesting how the Commander people are freaking out over a card that even if every single deck ran it, would still be 1 out of 100 in the deck, sure, this will be ridiculously expensive, but banning it? ONE card out of 100 isn't going to break any format wide open considering the original Black Lotus or Mana Crypt are already legal in it.
Pretty sure black lotus has been banned in commander since the beginning. Also it's not 1 out of 100, you get an opening hand of seven cards out of a 99 card deck, with a free mulligan, so that would be a 7 out of 99 chance, twice, every game to have it in the opening hand.
Pick a one-off card in any of your decks, shuffle that deck, and draw an opening hand. Do this until you draw that card. Then do it again. See how many proper shuffles and draws it takes to get a specific card, in an opening hand, twice.
I'm sure I'll get flak for this, but I don't see it. Yes, it spurts out your commander faster, but all I'm seeing is a way for you to get your commander(s) killed far sooner and then you have to wait longer to try and do the thing you wanted in the first place. For some commanders they'll come out and....that's it, they'll just plop down on the table with nothing going on as they came out too early.
Not saying the card is bad,it's not, but it seems like people hoping for the best for this and nine times out of ten you're going to get disappointed when your commander comes down with no protection and gets removed.
You assume the commander coming out won't have some sort of protection?
Sweepers always work, but what happens when your opponent uses this lotus to ramp into Mikaeus, the unhallowed and then straps on a pair of lightning greaves before you can respond?!
That's one crazy ramped out zombie! Azami, lady of scrolls and Arcanis the omnipotent also come out way too early and potentially draw a ton of cards with this.
Even a turn 1 Kopala, warden of waves can be difficult to deal with
And what about a turn 1 Arixmethes, slumbering isle?! You certainly can't target that early ramp easily without Wasteland, strip mine, etc in the opener.
Wasteland/Strip Mine in the opening hand is just as likely as your opponent getting Jeweled Lotus in their opening hand.
People calling for a ban of this seem to be forgetting that Lion's Eye Diamond exists, and is, frankly, a better card. Everything this card can do, LED can do. And the format hasn't collapsed because of it.
I think they both have very different uses, despite cosmetic similarities. You are never using LED for a fair purpose. You aren't using LED to power out your commander on turn 1 unless something seriously busted is already going on in your deck.
This card, on the other hand, just randomly appears in your hand some games and makes your commander cost 3 less to cast, which is a nuts unfair advantage even if your deck is totally "fair" otherwise.
Yes, lion's eye diamond does amazing things if you want it to. Same for mana crypt. Those are both $100+ cards. How does the format benefit from printing a new one of these things?
LED and Mana Crypt are also used outside of EDH. This can't be. We're going to see just how much EDH has an effect on prices. I expect this to settle between $30-50. Maybe even less. Regular printing, of course.
People calling for a ban of this seem to be forgetting that Lion's Eye Diamond exists, and is, frankly, a better card. Everything this card can do, LED can do. And the format hasn't collapsed because of it.
Amareth's flavor text makes it seem more like a generic D&D-style treasure-hoarding dragon, which I don't think we've seen in mtg too often. Call-ahead to next year's D&D set?
So people can be described as being "exquisite" now? Was this card designed by a vampire? Or are players supposed to stop thinking altogether about anything that doesn't affect gameplay? Because then WotC might wanna transition to creating a card game without flavor (and artwork for that matter), so they can cut costs in the creative department and thus maximize profit, right?
Eyeblight Cullers are nice, though.
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It's funny that you mention flavor when flavor is exactly why "exquisite" is in the title of the card. It's a Lorwyn elf, they were perfection-obsessed pricks. The card name fits.
I guess I still don't get it. Are you saying you can hold the copies beyond the resolution of Deluge? That doesn't seem right.
Nope, I'm just dumb. For some reason I read this as "exile three cards from your graveyard, cast copies of those cards". Pretty sure this does fail the way you think it does.
Oh. I was starting to think I was missing something really cool.
I'm confused as to why you'd copy Twincast or any other copy spell with Deluge? Deluge is a sorcery.
You copy a copy of Twincast in your graveyard to produce additional copies of something like Time Stretch because you can choose which order they resolve in.
I guess I still don't get it. Are you saying you can hold the copies beyond the resolution of Deluge? That doesn't seem right.
What would you rather have as a sea monster lord, a creature that gives them a buff, or a creature that makes it easier to get them into play?
Uhm... the first one? Everyone can ramp. Good luck winning with your bunch of tidal krakens and jokulmorders while your opponents is playing a supported tribe like dragon, where they have ramp, game-winning threats and game changing lords.
Geez, you're right. Thinking about it, I shouldn't play EDH at all because my opponent might have a deck full of counterspells to stop anything I could do. Since we're looking at the worst case scenario for a deck and all that.
These are also meant to replace the PW intro decks so seems about right power-level wise.
It's not power-level the problem it's just incredibly boring. They could have tried making simic sea monster tribal or something new like that instead it's just bland ***** we have already seen.
It could be sea monster tribal for all we know. We've seen exactly five cards.
What would you rather have as a sea monster lord, a creature that gives them a buff, or a creature that makes it easier to get them into play?
Well sis I didn't know. I don't understand why reprinting these cards needs to be this difficult. They add all these restrictions and then fail at delivering anything meaningful. "we can't reprint these outside of a commander product, and not just any commander product, but one re-introducing partner! Except this commander product, because only the mono color cards have partner! So good luck ever getting these!!!!"
My guy, these packs are going to get opened like crazy. You really think that these C16 partner reprints are going to be that prohibitively expensive?
You've devoted quite a few posts in this thread to complaining about the availability and distribution of these cards.
Although I suppose devotion is in keeping with your Theros-centric persona.
They even put etched foils into regular draft boosters, so I honestly don't know why you're complaining this much
Yeah, they're putting etched foils in regular boosters. Problem is, there are over 100 etched foils, including the 32 bonus cards. Collector Boosters will each have an etched foil. Draft Boosters MIGHT have them. Odds are greatly against you pulling any in draft boosters, unless you buy a lot of them, and even greater odds of getting one of the 32.
This is not at all how they should be doing reprints.
The rulings seem to be that it doesn't function in other formats, other than to tap for colorless.
Pick a one-off card in any of your decks, shuffle that deck, and draw an opening hand. Do this until you draw that card. Then do it again. See how many proper shuffles and draws it takes to get a specific card, in an opening hand, twice.
Wasteland/Strip Mine in the opening hand is just as likely as your opponent getting Jeweled Lotus in their opening hand.
LED and Mana Crypt are also used outside of EDH. This can't be. We're going to see just how much EDH has an effect on prices. I expect this to settle between $30-50. Maybe even less. Regular printing, of course.
It's funny that you mention flavor when flavor is exactly why "exquisite" is in the title of the card. It's a Lorwyn elf, they were perfection-obsessed pricks. The card name fits.
Oh. I was starting to think I was missing something really cool.
I guess I still don't get it. Are you saying you can hold the copies beyond the resolution of Deluge? That doesn't seem right.
And whatever #4 is I already love it.
Geez, you're right. Thinking about it, I shouldn't play EDH at all because my opponent might have a deck full of counterspells to stop anything I could do. Since we're looking at the worst case scenario for a deck and all that.
It could be sea monster tribal for all we know. We've seen exactly five cards.
What would you rather have as a sea monster lord, a creature that gives them a buff, or a creature that makes it easier to get them into play?
Yeah, they're putting etched foils in regular boosters. Problem is, there are over 100 etched foils, including the 32 bonus cards. Collector Boosters will each have an etched foil. Draft Boosters MIGHT have them. Odds are greatly against you pulling any in draft boosters, unless you buy a lot of them, and even greater odds of getting one of the 32.
This is not at all how they should be doing reprints.