Hey! I have updated my Deck with 2 Cryptic Commands, a mission Briefing, and settle the wreckage to the side. I have been doing well with this list. I really regretted taking out the single terminus so I added it back. Looking for thoughs on how to improve my card advantage situation. I'm doing extremely well against burn and midrange, but the control matchup is hard and UW Sprits is tricky. I'm still a learning player, but I'm discovering that my harder matchups are won by card advantage, particularly the control matchup. I guess I'm thinking of working more card advantage back in even though I have quite a few cantripping cards.
I thought about adding Jace AOT and/or heiroglyohic illumination and/or Ancestral Vision to the deck for card advantage. Even stretch for Search for Azcanta. Jace AOT would add card advantage and a threat to the Deck. Though, I don't want to get rid of mission briefing or timely because they have been doing me so much good work, though those cards probably make the most sense to swap unless I want ro try getting rid of spreading seas and see how that goes. What are your thoughts?
Please see deck:
UW Control
Threats (4)
1 Torrential Gearhulk
1 Gideon Jura
2 Gideon of Trials
Creatures (4)
4 Wall of Omens
Spells/Enchantments (27)
4 Path to Exile
2 Detention Sphere
1 Logic Knot
1 Mana Leak
1 Negate
1 Remand
2 Cryptic Command
2 Supreme Verdict
1 Wrath of God
1 Terminus
4 Serum Visions
4 Spreading Seas
1 Glimmer of Genius
1 Mission Briefing
1 Timely Reinforcments
25 lands
4 Irrigated Farmland
4 Glacial Fortress
4 Field of Ruin
2 Faerie Conclave
1 Mystic Gate
6 Plains
4 Island
I came upon this Mtggoldfish list: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/much-abrew-uw-miracles-modern and it sparked this idea. Looking for budget suggestions. The main idea is to use RiverWise Auger to place miracle cards on top of your deck vs JTMS $$$. Then entreat bthe Angels as a primary win con. Any thoughts welcome.
4 Sage of Epityr/Thing in the Ice (not sure what to do here without Snapcaster for early game creature presence) need help with this - with all the low mana cost instants/sorcerys thing in the Ice could be a win con and a stall.
4 RiverWise Auger
4 Terminus
4 Entreat the Angels
4 Opt
2 Telling Time
2 Search for Azcanta
3 Remand
Logic Knot
Mana Leak
Negate
4 Path to Exile
2 Detention Sphere
4 Irrigated Farmland
4 Glacial Fortress
4 Field of Ruin
2 Faerie Conclave
6 Plains
4 Island
Also, I can upon this link and wanted to see what you thoughts about doing miracles similar to here without JTMS and using RiverWise Auger instead. Entreat the Angels also serves as a win con. The big issue I see for me is lack of snapcaster, but Mission Briefing from Guilds of Ravnica may be able to fill this and add surveil to set up a miracle.
Went to another tournament and got beat up by UW Sprits and Dredge. First Time playing Dredge. I'm thinking I need to up Stony Silence and Rest in Piece from 2 to 3 each in sideboard so I can ensure I see those cards when I need. I literally drew into all my field wipes and couldn't stop bloodghast lol. Settle the wreckage may be a good choice too.
What do you think about trying the miracles build in this deck with the Gideons and Elspeth as my primary win cons? I'd add 4 Opt, 2 Search for Azcanta maybe, and 2 telling time. It would add cost yes. I guess would it work without 2 Teferi and 2-3 Jace the Mind Sculptor?
Here is an updated deck list:
Next step for me would be replacing Oust and Condemn with 2 Cryptics
1 Elspeth Sun Champion
1 Gideon Jura
2 Gideon of Trials
1 Jace, Architect of Thought
4 Wall of Omens
4 Path to Exile
2 Detention Sphere
1 Oust
1 Condemn
2 Supreme Verdict
1 Wrath of God
1 Day of Judgement
1 Logic Knot
1 Negate
1 Mana Leak
1 Remand
4 Serum Visions
4 Spreading Seas
1 Timely Reinforcements
1 Glimmer of Genius
4 Irrigated Farmlands
4 Glacial Fortress
4 Field of Ruin
2 Faerie Conclave
1 Mystic Gate
6 Plains
4 Island
Thank you so much for such an elaborate response!!!
My thoughts on the win cons has been the same. I need like 2 more. I'm thinking Gideon Ally an Elspeth. Also thought about Ojatai as people like that one too.
I've been reading about classic UW which is more tappout, the Gideon version seems to benefit from tappout according to my reading. Do you have any thoughts on how spreading seas fits in too all of this in Sept 2018 given that we have 4 field of ruin? My personal experience has been that crucible has been a dead weight a lot, but one game I kept bringing back faeries for a kill. Also I could see cutting back on tech edge to drop to 25 lands along side a -1 crucible. To be honest, I love farmlands because I can cycle in later when it's draw Garbage. I know flooded strand would be better here. I'm thinking based on feel that less counters and more targeted removal (tappout) has been working. Have any thoughts on ratios between targeted removal and counters in classic UW without colonnade? I happy with field wipes at 4, Perfect! I'm thinking going down to 4 Counters and bring back in condemn for an 8th targeted removal. Perhaps I feel this way because I don't have cryptic command and I need to get rid of problematic creatures. This is the way Gabriel Nassif set up the deck originally in the article.
I also just realized that I don't have any fetch lands or hallowed fountains making it hard to get that turn one serum visions play off. In that case, I might prefer a wall or seas.
Sweet! Thank you!
You know terminus has been amazing and terrible all. It won me games and gas been costly to play it at 6. Thought about adding day of judgement in its place.
What do you think the best way to make up for the 3 slots that cryptic command takes up? My hope is that rewind and glimmer could do this. I could just add more lower cost counters. I think gabriel thought that glimmer was the best card in its place to give you card advantage and answers.
What about cutting the seas for visions? Since seas is so conditional and visions gets you answers. Oust has been pretty good as well. Crucible and Jace are the only cards I'd say so far have been dead for me.
Hey thank you for the reply!
I see your deck on the other forum post and it seems you have opted for what your calling a draw-go approach. Would you recommend the elspeth over gearhulk as my 4th win con? I have to say, detention spheres have been amazing. Suprised to see you not run them.
I took this deck and went 2/2 at a local tournament and was really happy with that for my first tournament. I then made a few minor improvments/modifications myself. I made some of his first recommendations like upgrading the sweepers and adding rest in piece and stony silence to the side deck. I also added a rewind in place of the 3rd glimmer of genius.
He also recommended adding serum visions. Do I even really need to add Visions if I am running 4 spreading seas and 4 wall of omens? Its seems many of the pricey builds have forgone spreading seas or just have 1. Spreading seas one be several games by itself at my recent tournament Im not sure I should take that out to add visions.
I am hoping for some friendly suggestions to get the best results out of this budget build without adding significant cost.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
2x Gideon of Trials
1x Gideon Jura
1x Torrential Gearhulk
4 Wall of Omens
4x Path to Exile
2x Detention Sphere
1x Mana Leak
1x Disallow
1x Remand
1x Negate
2x Glimmer of Genius
2x Rewind
1x Terminus
1x Wrath of God
2x Supreme Verdict
4x Spreading Seas
1x Jace, Architect of Thought
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Timely Reinforcements
1x Oust
I took this deck and went 2/2 at a local tournament and was really happy with that for my first tournament. I then made a few minor improvments/modifications myself. I made some of his first recommendations like upgrading the sweepers and adding rest in piece and stony silence to the side deck. I also added a rewind in place of the 3rd glimmer of genius.
He also recommended adding serum visions. Do I even really need to add Visions if I am running 4 spreading seas and 4 wall of omens? Its seems many of the pricey builds have forgone spreading seas or just have 1. Spreading seas one be several games by itself at my recent tournament Im not sure I should take that out to add visions.
I am hoping for some friendly suggestions to get the best results out of this budget build without adding significant cost.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
2x Gideon of Trials
1x Gideon Jura
1x Torrential Gearhulk
4 Wall of Omens
4x Path to Exile
2x Detention Sphere
1x Mana Leak
1x Disallow
1x Remand
1x Negate
2x Glimmer of Genius
2x Rewind
1x Terminus
1x Wrath of God
2x Supreme Verdict
4x Spreading Seas
1x Jace, Architect of Thought
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Timely Reinforcements
1x Oust
I thought about adding Jace AOT and/or heiroglyohic illumination and/or Ancestral Vision to the deck for card advantage. Even stretch for Search for Azcanta. Jace AOT would add card advantage and a threat to the Deck. Though, I don't want to get rid of mission briefing or timely because they have been doing me so much good work, though those cards probably make the most sense to swap unless I want ro try getting rid of spreading seas and see how that goes. What are your thoughts?
Please see deck:
UW Control
Threats (4)
1 Torrential Gearhulk
1 Gideon Jura
2 Gideon of Trials
Creatures (4)
4 Wall of Omens
Spells/Enchantments (27)
4 Path to Exile
2 Detention Sphere
1 Logic Knot
1 Mana Leak
1 Negate
1 Remand
2 Cryptic Command
2 Supreme Verdict
1 Wrath of God
1 Terminus
4 Serum Visions
4 Spreading Seas
1 Glimmer of Genius
1 Mission Briefing
1 Timely Reinforcments
25 lands
4 Irrigated Farmland
4 Glacial Fortress
4 Field of Ruin
2 Faerie Conclave
1 Mystic Gate
6 Plains
4 Island
Side
1 Elspeth Sun's Champion
2 Baneslayer Angel
2 Stony Silence
2 Rest in Piece
2 Celestial Purge
2 Negate
1 Dispel
1 Ceremonius Rejection
1 Timely Reinforcments
1 Settle the Wreckage
4 Sage of Epityr/Thing in the Ice (not sure what to do here without Snapcaster for early game creature presence) need help with this - with all the low mana cost instants/sorcerys thing in the Ice could be a win con and a stall.
4 RiverWise Auger
4 Terminus
4 Entreat the Angels
4 Opt
2 Telling Time
2 Search for Azcanta
3 Remand
Logic Knot
Mana Leak
Negate
4 Path to Exile
2 Detention Sphere
4 Irrigated Farmland
4 Glacial Fortress
4 Field of Ruin
2 Faerie Conclave
6 Plains
4 Island
Sideboard will be typical UW control options
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/much-abrew-uw-miracles-modern
What do you think about trying the miracles build in this deck with the Gideons and Elspeth as my primary win cons? I'd add 4 Opt, 2 Search for Azcanta maybe, and 2 telling time. It would add cost yes. I guess would it work without 2 Teferi and 2-3 Jace the Mind Sculptor?
Here is an updated deck list:
Next step for me would be replacing Oust and Condemn with 2 Cryptics
1 Elspeth Sun Champion
1 Gideon Jura
2 Gideon of Trials
1 Jace, Architect of Thought
4 Wall of Omens
4 Path to Exile
2 Detention Sphere
1 Oust
1 Condemn
2 Supreme Verdict
1 Wrath of God
1 Day of Judgement
1 Logic Knot
1 Negate
1 Mana Leak
1 Remand
4 Serum Visions
4 Spreading Seas
1 Timely Reinforcements
1 Glimmer of Genius
4 Irrigated Farmlands
4 Glacial Fortress
4 Field of Ruin
2 Faerie Conclave
1 Mystic Gate
6 Plains
4 Island
My thoughts on the win cons has been the same. I need like 2 more. I'm thinking Gideon Ally an Elspeth. Also thought about Ojatai as people like that one too.
I've been reading about classic UW which is more tappout, the Gideon version seems to benefit from tappout according to my reading. Do you have any thoughts on how spreading seas fits in too all of this in Sept 2018 given that we have 4 field of ruin? My personal experience has been that crucible has been a dead weight a lot, but one game I kept bringing back faeries for a kill. Also I could see cutting back on tech edge to drop to 25 lands along side a -1 crucible. To be honest, I love farmlands because I can cycle in later when it's draw Garbage. I know flooded strand would be better here. I'm thinking based on feel that less counters and more targeted removal (tappout) has been working. Have any thoughts on ratios between targeted removal and counters in classic UW without colonnade? I happy with field wipes at 4, Perfect! I'm thinking going down to 4 Counters and bring back in condemn for an 8th targeted removal. Perhaps I feel this way because I don't have cryptic command and I need to get rid of problematic creatures. This is the way Gabriel Nassif set up the deck originally in the article.
You know terminus has been amazing and terrible all. It won me games and gas been costly to play it at 6. Thought about adding day of judgement in its place.
What do you think the best way to make up for the 3 slots that cryptic command takes up? My hope is that rewind and glimmer could do this. I could just add more lower cost counters. I think gabriel thought that glimmer was the best card in its place to give you card advantage and answers.
What about cutting the seas for visions? Since seas is so conditional and visions gets you answers. Oust has been pretty good as well. Crucible and Jace are the only cards I'd say so far have been dead for me.
Can a mix of draw-go and tappout be just as effective?
What has your XP with spreading seas been?
With my deck, how would you add 4 opt/visions?
Opt might go well with rewind
I see your deck on the other forum post and it seems you have opted for what your calling a draw-go approach. Would you recommend the elspeth over gearhulk as my 4th win con? I have to say, detention spheres have been amazing. Suprised to see you not run them.
I took this deck and went 2/2 at a local tournament and was really happy with that for my first tournament. I then made a few minor improvments/modifications myself. I made some of his first recommendations like upgrading the sweepers and adding rest in piece and stony silence to the side deck. I also added a rewind in place of the 3rd glimmer of genius.
He also recommended adding serum visions. Do I even really need to add Visions if I am running 4 spreading seas and 4 wall of omens? Its seems many of the pricey builds have forgone spreading seas or just have 1. Spreading seas one be several games by itself at my recent tournament Im not sure I should take that out to add visions.
I am hoping for some friendly suggestions to get the best results out of this budget build without adding significant cost.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
2x Gideon of Trials
1x Gideon Jura
1x Torrential Gearhulk
4 Wall of Omens
4x Path to Exile
2x Detention Sphere
1x Mana Leak
1x Disallow
1x Remand
1x Negate
2x Glimmer of Genius
2x Rewind
1x Terminus
1x Wrath of God
2x Supreme Verdict
4x Spreading Seas
1x Jace, Architect of Thought
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Timely Reinforcements
1x Oust
4x Irrigated Farmlands
4x Glacial Fortress
4x Field of Ruin
2x Faerie Conclave
1x Mystic gate
1x Tectonic Edge
6 Plains
4 Islands
Side:
2x Baneslayer Angel
1x Elspeth Sun's Champion
2x rest in Piece
2x Stony Silence
2x Negate
2x Celestial Purge
1x Ceremonious Rejection
1x Mana Leak
1x Dispel
1x Timely Reinforcements
I took this deck and went 2/2 at a local tournament and was really happy with that for my first tournament. I then made a few minor improvments/modifications myself. I made some of his first recommendations like upgrading the sweepers and adding rest in piece and stony silence to the side deck. I also added a rewind in place of the 3rd glimmer of genius.
He also recommended adding serum visions. Do I even really need to add Visions if I am running 4 spreading seas and 4 wall of omens? Its seems many of the pricey builds have forgone spreading seas or just have 1. Spreading seas one be several games by itself at my recent tournament Im not sure I should take that out to add visions.
I am hoping for some friendly suggestions to get the best results out of this budget build without adding significant cost.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
2x Gideon of Trials
1x Gideon Jura
1x Torrential Gearhulk
4 Wall of Omens
4x Path to Exile
2x Detention Sphere
1x Mana Leak
1x Disallow
1x Remand
1x Negate
2x Glimmer of Genius
2x Rewind
1x Terminus
1x Wrath of God
2x Supreme Verdict
4x Spreading Seas
1x Jace, Architect of Thought
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Timely Reinforcements
1x Oust
4x Irrigated Farmlands
4x Glacial Fortress
4x Field of Ruin
2x Faerie Conclave
1x Mystic gate
1x Tectonic Edge
6 Plains
4 Islands
Side:
2x Baneslayer Angel
1x Elspeth Sun's Champion
2x rest in Piece
2x Stony Silence
2x Negate
2x Celestial Purge
1x Ceremonious Rejection
1x Mana Leak
1x Dispel
1x Timely Reinforcements