Yeah GJ. I town read you soooo hard that I decide to claim you were green, when I really got red. You guys got me. I really hope you’re being sarcastic
I didn't think so either, but meteor was so hard on it and I couldn't get a clear answer when I tried to reread it, that I was trying to get you to clarify.
Ill try to get some questions for you two later.
I didn't read it like you asked GJ.
I read it as JT scumslipping. Then JT explained what he meant and his explanation made no sense to me at all.
In fact I still don't understand what was the point of the comment, thats why I am suspicious of him trying to cover the scumslip I saw originally.
Also, digging back through this game, I noticed I spent the first two pages confused about what the framer did and now I being accused of being the framer.
I also noticed, that when even asked explicitly by GJ to vote Abu/Silver, Meteor refuses and votes Ruma instead. I even call out the Silver/Abu-Meteor connection in detail in post #163.
Then me and silver fight for most of Page 4.
Metoer's post #205, starts off very similar to the post that got me going on Abu, "I see some suspicion about me" and continues on about not catching up or really reading.
I also was explicitly handed the opportunity to hammer Meteor and did not, instead I eventually hammer Scum-Silver. How does that make sense as scum!?
Post #219 really rubs me the wrong way with the "Riku now that you realize I am town, please answer", like what was the point of that. That's a guilty subconscious phrasing.
I mean, if it's Vaimes or GJ I probably lose to them.
If it isn't Meteor it has to be two in [you / Ruma / Tiger].
I don't think he's a wolf, but at this point I don't think I'm going to convince anyone else of it and I don't think we can let him into LyLo, he's a mislynch waiting to happen.
I'd like to get a few thoughts about my Meteor read and how valid/invalid it is before I commit, but I'm not opposed to lynching him, I guess.
Speaking of, what do you think about Meteor's lack of a guilty mindset?
This post seems super soft on Meteor, even a bit protective.
Meteor, with all due respect, 4 players voted for Godfather. Every one of the four votes, including yours, may be a scum buddy distancing. In fact, in my opinion, the least likely to distance is JT, who hammered when the vote with Riku was tied and could have gone either way. But again, not impossible.
And I am not saying I am concerned about you, I still have other people way higher on my suspect list, but I was uncomfortable with you being the last person to share, that's it. No need to get too defensive about it.
scum!JT hammering when the vote can swing makes even less sense, yet you hold him high on your scum list, it seems.
Just putting this up here to back up my points
Posts #350 and #352 felt a bit mud slingy to me and GJ points them out as opportunistic which is a bit of a better word for it. I need to go back and look at claim order for Day 2. I feel like Meteor also claimed like the second or third town check on Tiger, which seems pretty suspicious too, considering the Miller died Night 1.
I figured the framer thing was fake. I knew it didn't make sense that a player won't know the roles in such a small game.
You should have hammered me when you could, but the other option was Ruma, why would you care that much really as long as you get the mislynch?
Well you are saying you were replying to my reason what mafia would benefit by claiming GJ as cop and said mafia would claim GJ is cop to give GJ real information to work with? Why would mafia cares if GJ get real information? What do you mean by making edgy response? You are saying it was a joke and you weren't serious? Obviously I don't understand so explain please.
We already went over the reason why you decided to do that. See #489. Don't act like you just saw my post about you claiming Cop on GJ and also the post from GJ that followed it. You obviously read it before and it was part of the reason you decided to claim cop on GJ and not scum.
Regarding the scumslip, stop walking around the subject. I am saying again - humor me. Walk me through on what you were trying to say with that comment. Be specific.
YES! This is why online interactions are so important. Best chance to find the slipping mafia. There is literally no way town!JT even bothers to make that comment why sharing his true night result is beneficial. He would have said "No, I got town result on GJ because I am a cop so I obviously shared it because the game is solved for me, I know Meteor is scum and of course to clear GJ in the process"
Here's a fun game. Let's compare what you say town!JT would say with what I actually said:
Well, you’ll have to flip a coin anyways. I have a green on GJ. So I know Meteor is the framer. I can build a big case on why he’s scum and I’m not tonight. I feel like this has already been touched on, but if I were scum I would have just said red on GJ on had a fair shot, but I’m town and hopefully real information helps GJ make a better choice.
Are you seriously quoting me a post from before where you didn't slip? How does this help anyone?
YES! This is why online interactions are so important. Best chance to find the slipping mafia. There is literally no way town!JT even bothers to make that comment why sharing his true night result is beneficial. He would have said "No, I got town result on GJ because I am a cop so I obviously shared it because the game is solved for me, I know Meteor is scum and of course to clear GJ in the process"
Oh please, the topic being discussed was the pro and cons of how scum could have played this game going into today. I will laugh so hard if that's how GJ and I lose this game. Seriously, that's all you have for a case on me is a flimsy "scum slip case". It must be hard fabricating a real case then.
What about all my posts that came before this? They were not a case?
Interesting that you don't defend yourself but rather have a lame fake attempt to act as if you and GJ are on the same team. What about the rest of the town? You don't care if Ruma, Vaimes or Tiger loses? Obviously not since you are mafia.
Why would you talk about the pros of MAFIA claiming green on GJ if you are the town who claimed that result? Lets not insult our intelligence here.
YES! This is why online interactions are so important. Best chance to find the slipping mafia. There is literally no way town!JT even bothers to make that comment why sharing his true night result is beneficial. He would have said "No, I got town result on GJ because I am a cop so I obviously shared it because the game is solved for me, I know Meteor is scum and of course to clear GJ in the process"
None of JT responses address the main point I was making..
JT, I am saying that the posts you chosed to "mindmeld" with Vaimes are forced and you wouldn't choose them as examples if you were a town with a true read of Vaimes.
I also meant that the benefit of claiming cop on GJ is huge as mafia because now you have an action that doesn't make sense to do as mafia on your resume which seperates you from myself. The fact you immediately pointed out as your first point as your main defence shows that shows you are also aware how much benefit it gains you, so you didn't ask the question genuinely, you already knew the answer and just wanted to point out how much of a cop it makes you in the first chance you got.
Regarding the miller claim I made a mistake and forgot to take the miller into account when I was analyzing.
Go back and reread my interactions with Vaimes, I explained several times pretty clearly why I town read him and I have no idea how this has to do with a case for me being scum.
The benefit claiming green is giving GJ real information to work with. The fact that I addressed it, was just that it was a topic of discussion when I came into the Day. It's all WIFOM at this point which is why I said that it doesn't mean anything coming from me.
Haha what a huge scumslip.
You just admitted you only said GJ is green to look like you are helping him, you don't realize you suppose to act like you don't know his alignment. If you were town the benefit of claiming green on GJ is first of all you knowing who the framer is, rather than helping another player.
@GJ this time I found a 100% scumslip!!!
Had to point it out first before replying to the rest.
Oh and I forgot to say that I assume the reason you NK Vaimes because you suspected him as a miller and wanted the miller gone.
The silver quote doesn't have to do with you, but with me..
I am also aware that you were on Ruma, but as I was saying the motivation that triggered you to vote Ruma and Silver is not town, for the reasons I explained in my posts.
None of JT responses address the main point I was making..
JT, I am saying that the posts you chosed to "mindmeld" with Vaimes are forced and you wouldn't choose them as examples if you were a town with a true read of Vaimes.
I also meant that the benefit of claiming cop on GJ is huge as mafia because now you have an action that doesn't make sense to do as mafia on your resume which seperates you from myself. The fact you immediately pointed out as your first point as your main defence shows that shows you are also aware how much benefit it gains you, so you didn't ask the question genuinely, you already knew the answer and just wanted to point out how much of a cop it makes you in the first chance you got.
Regarding the miller claim I made a mistake and forgot to take the miller into account when I was analyzing.
Thanks for hosting Tom!
@JT Well played. I was sure you gonna get that win. You set me up beautifully, and fooled me completely the whole game.
I didn't read it like you asked GJ.
I read it as JT scumslipping. Then JT explained what he meant and his explanation made no sense to me at all.
In fact I still don't understand what was the point of the comment, thats why I am suspicious of him trying to cover the scumslip I saw originally.
I figured the framer thing was fake. I knew it didn't make sense that a player won't know the roles in such a small game.
You should have hammered me when you could, but the other option was Ruma, why would you care that much really as long as you get the mislynch?
Regarding the scumslip, stop walking around the subject. I am saying again - humor me. Walk me through on what you were trying to say with that comment. Be specific.
Are you seriously quoting me a post from before where you didn't slip? How does this help anyone?
What about all my posts that came before this? They were not a case?
Interesting that you don't defend yourself but rather have a lame fake attempt to act as if you and GJ are on the same team. What about the rest of the town? You don't care if Ruma, Vaimes or Tiger loses? Obviously not since you are mafia.
Why would you talk about the pros of MAFIA claiming green on GJ if you are the town who claimed that result? Lets not insult our intelligence here.
Haha ok humor me. Walk me through on what you were trying to say with that comment.
Haha what a huge scumslip.
You just admitted you only said GJ is green to look like you are helping him, you don't realize you suppose to act like you don't know his alignment. If you were town the benefit of claiming green on GJ is first of all you knowing who the framer is, rather than helping another player.
@GJ this time I found a 100% scumslip!!!
Had to point it out first before replying to the rest.
The silver quote doesn't have to do with you, but with me..
I am also aware that you were on Ruma, but as I was saying the motivation that triggered you to vote Ruma and Silver is not town, for the reasons I explained in my posts.
JT, I am saying that the posts you chosed to "mindmeld" with Vaimes are forced and you wouldn't choose them as examples if you were a town with a true read of Vaimes.
I also meant that the benefit of claiming cop on GJ is huge as mafia because now you have an action that doesn't make sense to do as mafia on your resume which seperates you from myself. The fact you immediately pointed out as your first point as your main defence shows that shows you are also aware how much benefit it gains you, so you didn't ask the question genuinely, you already knew the answer and just wanted to point out how much of a cop it makes you in the first chance you got.
Regarding the miller claim I made a mistake and forgot to take the miller into account when I was analyzing.