MTG Salvation

Great explanation...thanks!!

Feder.

Aether Flash was on the table when I was attacked. I had Blacklance Paragon in my hand, and Murderous Rider on the table.

Can the Blacklance Paragon give Deathtouch to the Murderous Rider before Aether Flash kills it? Please explain...

Thanks again for the help!!
Feder

If I open the game with Leyline of Anticipation in play, and use the Adventure of Bonecrusher Giant so he is in Exile, can I play him out of exile during my opponent's turn?

Thanks!!!

Feder.

If my opponent plays Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir, can I use cards with Flash, like Capture Sphere during his turn?

Thanks.
Feder.

Outstanding.



Thanks for all the input. He would have taken a beating 8-12 points a turn since I had the bouncing combo of the Ebon Knight and/or Conquistador, but the verbiage of the Oracle Text determines if Lifelink would trigger the Epicure; loss of life isn't "damage" per se.

I appreciate the help.

Quote from genini2 »

So the first thing to note is that lifelink only works with damage and not life loss so Cruel Celebrant and Epicure of Blood having lifelink doesn't matter as they don't deal damage.'

The way the scenario would resolve the Imperious Sorin activated ability would resolve dealing 3 damage and gaining 6 life in two separate acts so epicure will trigger twice and Cruel Celebrant would trigger once. The epicure triggers resolve as normal and Cruel Celebrant trigger would resolve, but then trigger epicure one additional time because you gained life. At the end you would have dealt 7 damage to a target (assuming it's a player) and gained 7 life.

Quote from Horseshoe_Hermit »

Yeah Sorin will trigger Epicure from dealing damage. But Epicure doesn't deal damage.

I can't find anything on whether "deal N |lifelink| damage and gain N life" will give you two lifegain events or one. But I know an [O]fficial statement on this came out at some point. It cleared up a lot about combining effects with the word "and" or alternate conjunctions in spell effects.

The last ruling on Firesong and Sunspeaker should be the same as this scenario.

OK, this makes a bit more sense, but I still have a question around the damage dealt issue. Is "damage dealt" basically from the creatures power only (either in combat or the result of, say, Prey Upon, and not from anything else detailed in teh Oracle Text?



Thanks again...

Quote from Horseshoe_Hermit »

Lifelink doesn't let you gain life from Epicure of Blood causing life loss. It didn't deal damage.

Also, the Vengeful Sorin gives you 6 life in that combo.

edit: Oh I see, you're adding up the twice gain 3 life. I need to research if that's correct. It might happen at the same time, and it's definitely from the same source.

MTG Wiki says:
The ability causes life gain whenever a permanent with lifelink deals any damage, not just combat damage.
MTG Wiki: Lifelink

The Sorin deals three (triggers lifelink which triggers the Epicure), then gives me three life (which triggers the Epicure). Based on the link above, the Epicure then triggers the Epicure. I'm wondering if I have the Stack jacked...er...messed up. BTW, yes, I gained a lot of life. He untapped, upkeep, drew and resigned.

That was the ruling in the tournament, too, so I'm still confused.

I was playing in a local tournament and ended up with the following situation:

Health Me: 8 Him: 18
He has a Goblin Chainwhirler and two Fanatical Firebrand.

I have Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord with 8 loyalty, Cruel Celebrant, and Knight of the Ebon Legion.
In my graveyard is Epicure of Blood
I have 8 mana: 4 Swamp, 2 Plains, and 2 Godless Shrine

Untap, upkeep, I draw Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord.
I attack with the Ebon Legion (yes, I could have pulled the Epicure from the graveyard first, but I didn't want to increase the pressure to kill the Ebon Knight). He blocked with a Firebrand, I gain 1 life from Vengeful Sorin. I use Vengeful Sorin to put the Epicure onto the Battlefield.

Now, here's where it gets ugly...
I cast Imperious Sorin with two swap & a plains, and, when he resolves +1 him to sacrifice a vampire, the Ebon Knight, to do 3 damage.
Vengeful Sorin give Imperious Sorin Lifelink, so I gain 3 life, which triggers Epicure.
Vengeful Sorin gives Epicure Lifelink, so I gain a life, which triggers the Epicure (5 damage so far)...
Imperious Sorin gives me 3 life (the second half of the ability), which triggers the Epicure
Vengeful Sorin gives Epicure Lifelink, so I gain a life, which triggers the Epicure (7 damage so far)...
The dead Ebon Knight triggers the Celebrant, dealing 1 to my opponent.
Vengeful Sorin gives the Celebrant Lifelink, so I gain a life, which triggers the Epicure.
Vengeful Sorin gives Epicure Lifelink, so I gain a life, which triggers the Epicure (10 damage so far)...
The Celebrant then gives me a life, which triggers the Epicure.
Vengeful Sorin gives Epicure Lifelink, so I gain a life, which triggers the Epicure (12 damage)...

I played a Vicious Conquistador with a swamp and end my turn.

Any of the lines that ends with... is basically triggering the Epicure with every point of damage the Epicure does; it seems to create an infinite damage loop because 1) there is a valid trigger (lifelink on the Epicure), and 2) the state of the game actually changes (someone takes a point of damage).

So, I have two questions:
1) How should the damage be counted when the Epicure triggers himself?
2) Does anyone notice if I missed any damage in the play?
3) BTW, I assume everything after the "...get ugly..." comment is actually the stack, so I'd appreciate any help if I screwed that up.

Thanks.
Kurt.

Does each sacrifice for God-Eternal Bontu trigger Cruel Celebrant?

Put another way, does this create a bomb going of if I sacrifice 10 tokens?

Quote from void_nothing »

I assume you mean if an Ixalan's Binding has one Arclight Phoenix exiled and there's another in its owner's graveyard?

That is exactly what I meant, and thanks for the quick reply.
feder.

Does Ixalan's Binding prevent an Arclight Phoenix from returning from the Graveyard?
My guess would be it does not prevent the return, since it is not technically being cast, but using an ability.

Thanks.
feder.

To clarify, the Enchantment/Artifact triggers (when/whenever) go on the stack last, resolves first; is that right? For example, if he was to counter Expel from Orazca, would that go on before or after the Drowned Secrets?

FWIW, in the real game, I also had Psychic Corrosion, so the net effect was the same with Chandra, Torch of Defiance and three other cards. We wanted some clarification because I won't always have them both out; it will not be a moot point going forward.

Thanks again for both replies!!

Greets.

I was playing and the following happened:
At some point, I had played Drowned Secrets
Opponent played Chandra, Torch of Defiance.
Opponent passes turn (priority).
Before his turn ended, I cast Expel from Orazca, and sent his card to the top of his library.

Which resolves first, the Drowned Secrets, forcing him to roll two cards from Library to Graveyard, or the Expel from Orazca, forcing him to put the card I don't want onto his Library (and subsequently into his graveyard).

Thanks in advance.
Feder.