People are having near-conniptions over something they can 100% ignore. This is starting to approach comedic levels.
You both seem ill-equipped to handle the prospect of short-print cards.
You state its optional, but you fail to understand that by being short-print, these are cards that will gross over time. They will only continue to grow in price because the supply is low. You know what else does short-print runs in card games? Yugioh. Cards that have viability in tournaments and are meant to drive sales because of artificial scarcity. You know what else does artificial scarcity? Companies that sell diamonds.
Turning a blind eye to a problem like short-print runs is just the same as paying for one of those secret lairs.
Examples of what you're talking about include cards like Nexus of Fate
You are out of your depth. Secret Lair cards get pritned at a lower rate than the average b-a-b promo.
People are having near-conniptions over something they can 100% ignore. This is starting to approach comedic levels.
You both seem ill-equipped to handle the prospect of short-print cards.
You state its optional, but you fail to understand that by being short-print, these are cards that will gross over time. They will only continue to grow in price because the supply is low. You know what else does short-print runs in card games? Yugioh. Cards that have viability in tournaments and are meant to drive sales because of artificial scarcity. You know what else does artificial scarcity? Companies that sell diamonds.
Turning a blind eye to a problem like short-print runs is just the same as paying for one of those secret lairs.
Oh its just Wizards being Wizards again. Players not happy Discover a new method that players like Over do it till players hate it Wonder why players are unhappy
I'm curious why people seem to be fascinated with this card so much, from what I can understand it doesn't seem particularly good? It's an oblivion ring for creatures but any enchantments or counters that were on the creature also come back ,if the card is ever removed?
Like user_938036 said, but also its not even a RL card. Which it not being reprinted seems a bit weird, only reason it hadn't would be because its outside of black's current color pie.
And the legendary squirrel from Unsanctioned specifically uses an acorn symbol to represent a counter and that it also has reminder text that. So maybe:
Mutate - As [cardname] dies, target creature gets [flying symbol]. (A flying counter.)
And you think they will add 5-10 new symbol, one for each keyword? Super confusing and unlikely
No new symbols are needed. They just reuse the existing ones.
The art looks good even if i m not sure what it is depicting
A pair of hands holding a jug of swirling earth, as it pours out, the earth swirls and expands outward like water. Similar to Aquarius also known as the Water Bearer.
And the legendary squirrel from Unsanctioned specifically uses an acorn symbol to represent a counter and that it also has reminder text that. So maybe:
Mutate - As [cardname] dies, target creature gets [flying symbol]. (A flying counter.)
Adding a sarcastic remark over a comment on White's removal like you did does not implies that White's removal isn't the problem. Maybe you're the one that doesn't quite understands sarcasm.
But either way, this is neither here nor there. If the goal of Ikoria is big monsters, I see this as an opportunity for WotC to expand White's color pie above "Green but *****ty" by giving them big monsters with splashy effects themselves, not as an opportunity to make Green better.
You clearly don't understand why its sarcasm. White does have a problem. GP Portland was something that sparked debate and questions of what is White missing and what can make White better.
If you wanted White to be better, then wizards needs to stop ignoring its actual toolbox. Tax, stax, hatebears, land destruction, wraths, cheap removal, lifegain, anthems, weenies, plains-tutoring. Using a fraction of those just because they aren't fun to play against is exactly the reason why white is regarded as an almost non-existent color in many formats with very few decks that actually allow it to stand-up.
Which goes way back into the inane concept people thought of as "fair magic", none of the colors are actually fair when they actually use their respective toolboxes to their fullest. White when it uses all of its tools is actually one of the most meanest colors in magic that makes the others look tame.
Also standard is terrible metric to base a card's power off of. No one really cares if white gave esper or azorious a new toy, because most people regard standard as a joko of a format and it continues to be one. People are more likely to look at a new set to see how it impacts other formats. Great example of this is actually Heliod, Sun-Crowned which actually could be banned in Pioneer or other eternal formats with Walking Ballista because it creates an infinite damage and life-gain combo, or at least cause WB to get banned.
Giving white "big splashy monsters" is absolutely a borked concept based on the very fundamentals of the color pie itself and would require white to heavily break and bend the color pie to do so which would also make it as you put it "Green but *****ty".
White has its problems but removal is not one of them. If we give White more efficient removal, all that's going to do is make Esper or Azorius Control better and White will still be crap. What White needs is more tools to do things other than play a bunch of weenies, gain life and proceed to scoop phase as soon as an opponent draws a wrath.
Man just look at all those white removal cards from GP Portland, good thing white doesn't need more.
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What, are you actually going to say to me with a straight face that Kaya's Wrath is a bad Magic card? Deafening Clarion? Shatter the Sky? Are you also going to say that Teferi, Time Raveler, a card which is widely agreed to be one of the best Planeswalkers ever printed by pros and casuals alike and that is seeing Modern play, is bad simply because he has less presence than Noxious Freaking Grasp? Or maybe you can use your brain, see that even Plains as a mana source are absent, and deduce that it's not the removal, but the color itself being overshadowed by other colors and the limited mana base making playing White unviable.
i don't doubt that at all, though i do hope white gets efficient removal to deal with those threats. efficiency being key. it'llmost likely be something stupid like 4W, exile target creature with a power greater than 5 or something that's just trash like that.
White has its problems but removal is not one of them. If we give White more efficient removal, all that's going to do is make Esper or Azorius Control better and White will still be crap. What White needs is more tools to do things other than play a bunch of weenies, gain life and proceed to scoop phase as soon as an opponent draws a wrath.
Man just look at all those white removal cards from GP Portland, good thing white doesn't need more.
/s
Vivien Reed is an interesting choice, mostly because she has no primary motivation anymore. Nicol Bolas been thoroughly defeated, her world is dead, which really leaves only two facets of her left. The eco-terrorist personality from short stories and also the Steve Irwin personality she has from various flavor texts.
I guess that headcanons aren't always so bad. One of the things I enjoy about the lore of Fromsoftware games is the openness to interpretation. But the lore in those games is very purposefully crafted in that way, which I haven't seen MtG do successfully. I think the brand has a very serious crisis about how it's going to do its storytelling.
Up until Weatherlight, the headcanon-way was pretty normal for magic with a tagline like: "Visit the Shores of Imagination".
That said. I’ve likely had too much of that for MTG and with the loss of Theros, I’m retiring as a Vorthos. To the relief and pleasure of some I’m sure.
This is exactly how I have felt for a while now. I've always been a big flavour/story guy, not just in Magic but in general. And I would love to be able to be invested in Magic story, but over recent years they've made it completely impossible to do so.
Sheep using hunger to justify the wolf’s behavior.
Corporate greed should never be an excuse to compromise customer loyalty and enfranchisement. “That’s just the way it is” or “that’s how we’ve always done it” are dangerous suggestions. If corporate demand strained creative to outsource its material, as I suspect, utilizing them for product development over investment into the brand (lore) to the point that Theros was compromised, then there’s a lot more at stake for them in the long term.
“It’s a card game” from people taking time to post on this forum is rich irony. There is no “it’s fiction” or “it’s a game.” There is only passion.
That said. I’ve likely had too much of that for MTG and with the loss of Theros, I’m retiring as a Vorthos. To the relief and pleasure of some I’m sure.
Wouldn't fault either of you for wanting to stop. 2019 has been a rough year for many aspects of magic. Last real interest for me is just from Commander Legends in 2020, and that is all the way in 4th quarter of next year. I could personally care less about Ikoria or Zendikar Rising. Theros is probably the last set I'm going to pick-up for awhile.
Also that Eldraine ebook was part of a large marketing campaign. As you got your novel, fancy new boosters with special versions of cards from the set and had new art, high quality Disney looking trailer, a bunch of lower quality trailers that were animated, the brawl decks themselves, the pushes for the digital Arena game.
Which is why I bet they didn't can the ebook for Eldraine. They want to appear strong in their 4th quarter. Which is also why they are letting their 1st quarter look weaker as a result as its not as important to investors and they know this. So they see Theros likely as an acceptable causality.
I don't agree with their practice, but it makes the most sense.
You state its optional, but you fail to understand that by being short-print, these are cards that will gross over time. They will only continue to grow in price because the supply is low. You know what else does short-print runs in card games? Yugioh. Cards that have viability in tournaments and are meant to drive sales because of artificial scarcity. You know what else does artificial scarcity? Companies that sell diamonds.
Turning a blind eye to a problem like short-print runs is just the same as paying for one of those secret lairs.
Players not happy
Discover a new method that players like
Over do it till players hate it
Wonder why players are unhappy
https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Evergreen#Current_evergreen_keywords
If you wanted White to be better, then wizards needs to stop ignoring its actual toolbox. Tax, stax, hatebears, land destruction, wraths, cheap removal, lifegain, anthems, weenies, plains-tutoring. Using a fraction of those just because they aren't fun to play against is exactly the reason why white is regarded as an almost non-existent color in many formats with very few decks that actually allow it to stand-up.
Which goes way back into the inane concept people thought of as "fair magic", none of the colors are actually fair when they actually use their respective toolboxes to their fullest. White when it uses all of its tools is actually one of the most meanest colors in magic that makes the others look tame.
Also standard is terrible metric to base a card's power off of. No one really cares if white gave esper or azorious a new toy, because most people regard standard as a joko of a format and it continues to be one. People are more likely to look at a new set to see how it impacts other formats. Great example of this is actually Heliod, Sun-Crowned which actually could be banned in Pioneer or other eternal formats with Walking Ballista because it creates an infinite damage and life-gain combo, or at least cause WB to get banned.
Giving white "big splashy monsters" is absolutely a borked concept based on the very fundamentals of the color pie itself and would require white to heavily break and bend the color pie to do so which would also make it as you put it "Green but *****ty".
/s
Which is why I bet they didn't can the ebook for Eldraine. They want to appear strong in their 4th quarter. Which is also why they are letting their 1st quarter look weaker as a result as its not as important to investors and they know this. So they see Theros likely as an acceptable causality.
I don't agree with their practice, but it makes the most sense.