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    posted a message on Ikoria Booster Art
    Quote from 5colors »
    So far it looks like "Ikoria: We're out of Ideas, so here's a Placeholder Set!"

    Which is understandable every once in a while but it comes hard on the heels of "Theros: We Didn't like our First Ideas, but we Shipped Anyway", which came right after "Ravnica: The Story Diverged from Play Design, but You Knew How It Would End Anyway", the third expansion in the "Ravnica: Why are We Here Again, Oh Yeah, Bolas has been Kicking Around For A Decade And We Kinda Forgot What To Do With Him" blocks.

    A company generally uses excellent product to distract during a transition to a higher concentration on its RoI. It looks like they're missing half of that formula...


    Do you have any proof for this or just speaking out your ass?


    Proof? What could possibly constitute proof in this case, other than a video MaRo and Elon Musk both blazed and MaRo saying "Hey man, I'm about to sell them another placeholder set, man!"

    I said so far it looks like. And it does to me.

    Of course I'm talking out my ass.

    But my ass is quite old. It has seen sh** like this before.

    (I assume you weren't talking about the ROI bit...because that's just basic and obvious)
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    posted a message on Theros beyond death the basics (well confirmed real actually)
    I hope we are also getting regular Grecian landscape basic lands though


    One basic per type in a "large" set would be a bit sparse. Probably some normal landscapes and these in the uncommon slot like the Hour of Devastation full-arts.
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    posted a message on 11/18/19 Big Bannings
    Quote from xaltair »
    Quote from milo_bloom »
    I feel like this is confirmation that the higher ups at WotC had no faith in this set's ability to sell based off of a combination of its themes, setting and lack of a Jacetice League member, so they relied on the tried and true method of adding a couple pushed cards to the set to ensure it sold well. Play Design had been doing such a great job, this is really the only reason I can think of for why this set has experienced so many problems.

    I mean everyone immediately knew Oko was going to be oppressively good. There is no way Play Design missed that, or let it slip through the cracks.


    I haven't been following the tournament play as well, but I understand the issue is using Oko to turn things into Elks? So Play Design tested the ability on their own creatures, but players use it how?


    He can turn the food token into an elk too, so he keeps making 3/3 creatures every other turn.
    Also he can exchange the food token for a small creature that the opponent has, so he controls the board by himself.
    Glad I don't have any since the price will go down to about $20-$25 now, same for once upon a time.
    I traded mine into the lgs last weekend for $17 which was a good move since now it'll be close to that price.


    Note also that he is creating permanents on your side and neutering the opponent's threats, and it is all plus actions for him.

    As Altair mentioned, there is no way that testing just missed how oppressive Oko was, and how good free spells are. Those two cards are featured on more marketing art than any others for the set. They're showcase parts of the product.

    It is past time to stop presuming mistakes. WotC intended for these pushed cards to drive sales, and then to ban them after they had done. It is time to presume this kind of bait-and-switch intent as their business model.



    Caveat emptor.
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    posted a message on 'Mystery Booster' product
    Quote from DJK3654 »
    https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/188350074633/is-mystery-boosters-actually-named-mystery
    It’s actually called “Mystery Booster”.

    That puts an end to any speculation this is actually going to be Conspiracy 3 or anything like that.


    MaRo ponders..."can I poop in a mylar baggie and expect people to buy it? I think I can..."
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    posted a message on 'Mystery Booster' product
    Quote from Lectrys »
    Quote from foam_dome »
    MaRo ponders..."can I poop in a mylar baggie and expect people to buy it? I think I can..."


    MaRo designs Standard sets, he doesn't sell anything

    I think you missed the point. As far as I can tell, the statement Elostirion(again) made indicates that s/he thinks MaRo is lying about the product's true name.


    @foam_dome: Only technically. MaRo is a salesperson first and a designer second. Just read anything he writes to see that. Or at least every part of MaRo that customers see is that way.

    @Lectrys You're closer, but not in the gold. This is my fault though. I think a lot more than I write usually, especially on message boards, because I'm trying not to be pedantic and boring but to quickly stab at the heart of the topic and get back to my work. I presume most people are happy to either get my message or let it blow by them with all the other stuff on the interwebs they dont already agree with. But if someone takes the interest to respond, especially with curiosity, then I'm happy to elaborate.

    We the Magic customers, are fairly notorious for studying MTG product releases. We're actually held up as the gold standard for other gaming genres as examples of informed customers, if you want to know. We reverse engineer printer collation logistics and distribution patterns and calculate ROI on an unopened pack of whatever the new set is before it hits the shelves to determine how much, if any, to buy of it. We're all kinds of awesome that way.

    Sometimes it sucks though, because that sucks the fun out of some things. Magic is a game which changes so frequently because at any given instant, it has a limited shelf life. Any given Standard metagame for example, has 1-3 top tier decks, and 5-7 decks which would be fun to play with and play against if you didnt know that everyone (or most everyone) was going to bring a top tier deck. The more analysis we do hastens the consolidation of the metagame away from containing 6-10 decks toward containing 1-3 decks. Its gotten so bad that the first tournament in the Standard which is only a week old skipped straight to the 1-3 stage, with 67% of the field being Golos, 20% being Oko (a meta-response to Golos) and about 10% everything else. Even pre-releases are massively meta'd, with most players knowing all the cards and the likely selection sets for a 'good' sealed pool or expectations for draft.

    Our type of awesome can suck some of the fun away.

    Now we have a product that we get to know nothing about. It could seem to be a nice counter/response to this trend. Curate a tournament environment that WotC believes will be viable, but the players dont get to hyperanalyze. It could allow more of the metagaming to take place alongside the actual gaming. It could lower the barrier to fun by taking away the requirement to study hard, and spend money in just the right places before playing. Grumpy old farts like me chould love this.

    But details matter. Delivery matters. Did MaRo, consummate sales-pitch-artist that he is, take the time to say any of this? One sentence would be enough. No. What's the price of the product? Closer to a premium product than a commodity-draft product. That suggests to me that this is not a product intended to do the positive things I've written above. It suggests to me that this is yet another cash grab, and when the rest of marketing campaign for this product comes out, I'll think that its just as half-baked as most of the rest of what they've done since about 2004.

    So with your telepathic powers in play, the statement that Elostirion(again) made indicates that he is merely bu++hur+ that a product he could have really enjoyed, which might have shown that WotC noticed and seeks to mitigate a drain on the fun is instead, not that thing. Smile
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    posted a message on Theros: Beyond Death Elspeth
    Quote from RSSR »
    You think Theros: Beyond Death is the name for this set?


    Sure. That lets the abbreviation be "TBD". bunny
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    posted a message on [ELD] - r/MagicArena Spoiler -
    Quote from Xeruh »
    The reason for "Why is this Mythic" is to put some final nails in MaRo's exhausted credibility.

    This is an awesome tournament staple card. Not flashy. Efficient. Necessary. 4-of. And Mythic. Exactly what MaRo said Mythics wouldn't be back when they were invented.


    He didn’t say that Mythic can’t be that. He said it wouldn’t be the only place for it. You should actually cite where he says otherwise so you can double check his wording.


    Oh look. Someone wants to have the Baneslayer Angel argument over again, ten years later over a Boomerang spell. How cute.

    Quote from MaRo»

    How are cards split between rare and mythic rare? Or more to the point, what kind of cards are going to become mythic rares? We want the flavor of mythic rare to be something that feels very special and unique. Generally speaking we expect that to mean cards like Planeswalkers, most legends, and epic-feeling creatures and spells. They will not just be a list of each set's most powerful tournament-level cards.

    We've also decided that there are certain things we specifically do not want to be mythic rares. The largest category is utility cards, what I'll define as cards that fill a universal function. Some examples of this category would be cycles of dual lands and cards like Mutavault or Char.


    Of course MaRo left himself some wiggle room. That's what he does. But this Boomerang+flash flier is certainly not "very special and unique". It is not a planeswalker, a legend, or an epic-feeling creature or spell. It is exactly one of this sets most powerful tournament cards, several others of which are also mythic.

    Its a "chase Mythic", plain and simple. You can disagree of course, that's fine. But don't demand that I link for you (which...I did) one of the most referenced MTG posts in a decade because you want to act contrarian.
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    posted a message on [ELD] - r/MagicArena Spoiler -
    The reason for "Why is this Mythic" is to put some final nails in MaRo's exhausted credibility.

    This is an awesome tournament staple card. Not flashy. Efficient. Necessary. 4-of. And Mythic. Exactly what MaRo said Mythics wouldn't be back when they were invented.
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    posted a message on The Magic Mirror- Brad Nelson Spoiler
    Mirror, mirror, apparently freestanding
    How can I deck myself even faster than with Mu Yanling?
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    posted a message on Next set is called "Throne of Eldraine"
    Looks... very very fairy...
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