Dread Return does break the turn 4 rule but the deck itself is so fragile to hate that I think it would be fine to have it in the format. As I said I really don't know how cloudpost works so I asked and searched around a bit so it seems it's really far more broken than TronLands. Ancestral Vision is very cheap card advantage that is insanely strong both off suspend and off cascade. It breaks the balance of the game while still being cheap enough to cast without significant tempo loss.
AV is weak off of cascade (it is completely unreliable, can only be run in decks without counterspells with cascade, and all of Modern's cascade cards are horrible). It isn't that strong off of suspend either because it takes 4 turns to do anything.
Hardly weak off of cascade, considering Shardless BUG is a thing.
Rather it's that the quality of cascade cards legal in Modern is kinda trash for anything not a ReBal / LEnd deck.
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I have to agree with Wrapter. Straight UB Faeries just isn't good enough with the current card pool and banned list. I think the deck needs the shot in the arm that it hand during extended of Ancestral Vision and Jitte
In regards to Simian Spirit Guide, let the fringe combo decks have their toys. The card's not oppressive, and gives something of a reason to play the otherwise over-banned combo decks.
Yeah I got them. It was discontinued for a reason. I doubt they will regress back to those times.
What was that reason?
You would have to go search for the exact wording but more or less the cost to mail them to each player was a huge cost.
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One way to fight people doing business that hurts the game - pile up cards - is to be unpredictable with the reprints, e.g., print fretches uncommon or release next MM set with 2 rares per booster. Sure the ones doing second hand business can start piling up again, but it would be a lot more risky in a less stable environment.
This doesnt hurt anyone, just changes the game.
How about printing for the demand?
Its costly. You are suggesting cutting into profit margins for Wotc even more. Not to mention now Wotc has to hire people to mail these cards to people and listen to all the complaints that people didnt get their cards in time. LGS do a great service for the player base and that is you dont have to wait for your cards.
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How is printing and selling more extremely desirable cards cutting profits? Goyf is $150 and WoTC gets 0% of the money everytime one is sold right now because they won't print more. Making more cards is the OPPOSITE of cutting profits.
Those Goyfs came from some where. They started in a Wotc package they got paid for. Being $150 doesnt mean Wotc didnt get theirs some where along the line.
Say reprints bring 'goyf down to $70, fetches to $25-$30, Bob and V-Clique down to $40. What do you think is more likely?
1) Players who already have these cards become enraged and quit the format entirely, creating a large scale net decrease in tournament attendance
2) Players who don't have these cards buy them an play in modern events, creating a large scale net increase in tournament attendance
The problem is no one knows. Just because you feel more people would enter the format, doesnt mean thats what would happen. Business's dont work with unknowns. They are very scary areas for any business.
I personally would say its a no gain situation simply from what I have seen in the past. Not just with Magic, but all types of businesses.
Personally I have no problems with slow reprintings of high dollar cards such as Modern Masters did it. I do have a problem with those who want $.10 cards across the board. With cards not having any value, the game would suffer terribly. I know I would stop playing competitively if the prize support to play the game was worthless product. I would demand cash prizes for cash entry tournaments. It would kill limited. There would be zero reason to draft or play sealed. (by the way, limited players do a great service to the community. Limited players open up tons of product for other players to play the game. Take that a way and the game suffers.)
In the end people forget Magic is a business before its a game. Everyone has made a choice to play the game.
I absolutely agree that cards NEED to have value. I just think know there is some work that needs to be done in regards to maximizing the amount of players in the game, without alientating people who spent their money on staples.
To entertain a challenge to everyone. No matter what is your stand on the current price situation: Come up with a mechanic to meaningfully reduce the price of modern staples w/o causing any doomsday scenarios.
Why? It only doesnt work for a select few. If attendance was dipping or LGS were closing because of lack of sales I might agree with you, but instead attendance is on the up tick and sales is good for all involved. I would say there is no need to lower prices as long as they are selling, which they are.
Say reprints bring 'goyf down to $70, fetches to $25-$30, Bob and V-Clique down to $40. What do you think is more likely?
1) Players who already have these cards become enraged and quit the format entirely, creating a large scale net decrease in tournament attendance
2) Players who don't have these cards buy them an play in modern events, creating a large scale net increase in tournament attendance
The problem with this thinking is, you are forgetting first and foremost Magic is a business. Cutting profits to lower card prices would shrink profits across the board. From Hasbro, to Wotc, to the hundreds, possibly thousands of LGS that make money off the game. Add in the massive hit the player base would take.
How is printing and selling more extremely desirable cards cutting profits? Goyf is $150 and WoTC gets 0% of the money everytime one is sold right now because they won't print more. Making more cards is the OPPOSITE of cutting profits.
It's a CIP triggered. They CAN respond to it, it does nothing though unless you don't have any faeries other than Mistbind (which is why you don't play her with only 1 other faerie into bolt mana to give an example). With more faeries though, the ability doesn't target so them responding does little other than force you to chose another faerie to champion since you don't chose until resolution of said ability.
What happens if my opponent responds to champion by bouncing clique?
It's been a while, can someone explain exactly how champion works. My understanding is once Mistbind resolves, they can't respond to Champion, is this correct?
Pretty sure Deathrite Shaman was banned to shake up the format and ensure the pros don't all play Jund at the Pro Tour. It's a safe bet to say he'll be back in a year or two.
You're pretty dumb, huh?
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4 Verdant Catacomb
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Breeding Pool
2 Watery Grave
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Flooded Grove
1 Sunken Ruins
3 Island
1 Forest
1 Swamp
1 Tectonic Edge
3 Spellstutter Sprite
3 Scion of Oona
2 Mistbind Clique
2 Sower of Temptation
4 Bitterblossom
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Cryptic Command
3 Mana Leak
3 Spell Snare
1 Devour Flesh
I guess we'll find out with MM2 how Wizards feels about this. That hasn't been officially announced yet, has it? Anyone know when it might be? Or how long it'll take to be released afterward?[/quote]
If I recall correctly, they said they want to do it again, but there hasn't been much more info than that
I absolutely agree that cards NEED to have value. I just
thinkknow there is some work that needs to be done in regards to maximizing the amount of players in the game, without alientating people who spent their money on staples.Say reprints bring 'goyf down to $70, fetches to $25-$30, Bob and V-Clique down to $40. What do you think is more likely?
1) Players who already have these cards become enraged and quit the format entirely, creating a large scale net decrease in tournament attendance
2) Players who don't have these cards buy them an play in modern events, creating a large scale net increase in tournament attendance
How is printing and selling more extremely desirable cards cutting profits? Goyf is $150 and WoTC gets 0% of the money everytime one is sold right now because they won't print more. Making more cards is the OPPOSITE of cutting profits.
That being said, do we ever foresee a world where Goyf is under $100 in the next year?
What happens if my opponent responds to champion by bouncing clique?
When you discount power and ante cards, Modern ends up having a much higher proportion of banned cards