I made another tournament, splitted on top 4:
M1: 2-1 Hardened scales
M2: 2-0 Urza
Don't know which... Discard, discard, pyromancer and he is gone
M3: 0-2 uw Mentor
Winnable, i had 5-6 bad cards hands in both games.
M4: 2-0 classic uw control
M5: 1-1 Titanshift
Not played, we were already qualified
Top 8:
2-0 bogles:
Tough MU... They had hexproof but discards and nahiri-chandrina-elemental tokens made the day in g1 (even casted an emrakul with nahiri still alive for the win). G2: he kept a middle/bad hand with a leyline of sanctity, looted all the discards and went the anti-auras nahiri mode. I didn't drop all the pushes because i wanted a remotion for the non hexproof drawer and when he attacked with a powered up dryad forest i did the most satisfyng push ever made.
I posted it only for the bogles MU, i thought it was unwinnable but a well protected nahiri can do a 3/4-1 easly. I played this deck 3 times and went top 4, top 8, top 4. Luckly i played against big manas only a bunch of times but the deck seems pretty solid against all other decks. I think that we have the best SB possible and post side our deck feels really strong. Burn and wg auras are the only meh MU out of the big Manas. Maybe i could drop the second damping sphere for an additional Bloodmoon in side (we have a great choose of swissknife spells for our sideboard and 3 big mana dedicated cards+ 3 pillage can be a way, even if i think we still need a great beater). In any case jund has our same pros and cons (the only difference is that tarmo can steal a big mana game sometimes) so if it is played i don't know why we are not. The deck is way better that its online results.
Today i made a 20 ppl tournament on my lgs with Nahiri Emrakul and the YP pack as a second wincon (no dreadhorde, no batterskull), these are the results:
M1: 0-2 vs Hardened Scales
I never played against this deck and i made too many mistakes, i think this MU is all but unwinnable
M2: 2-0 vs uw control
Lingering and discards are the way for the win... They don't have the right removal for me/us (i play with 4 YP as a second win condition)
M3: 1-2 Amulet Titan
As always big manas felt unwinnable except for g2 in which pillage-little chandra-pillage made the day... I still think that mardu will always have problems with it, tron and titanshift even if i think this is simply the worst deck possible for us.
M4: 2-0 Burn
As always helix, brutality and kambal are our wincoin... Discard spells if played well are a must. I still think is a rough MU
M5: 2-0 Ad Nauseam
Discards and YP in g1 and discards and Souls in g2. We are slow on closing but in the topdeck mode they can't easly win
Top 8... Amulet Titan again: 0-2
I think that Emrakul is a support wincoin (i shifted to this deck thinking on YP as the second but maybe i was wrong). I won 7 games but only 1 with emrakul (against Burn, an already won match)... Nahiri is a beast, everyone hates it, eats all the possible removals and is a powerhouse in topdeck. Emrakul is meh, never really casted it but i don't think i'll remove it (it scares too much)... SP is simply great. Chandra AoF is a staple in this deck, she gives you too much amd is our flexible Snapcaster. I think the deck is fine and has the known big mana problem (even if nahiri/emrakul makes the tron and titanshift MU not favorable but roughly winnable). What would you board in?
@themcFearless
I have the K commands yet.
I played mardu pyromancer and after the looting ban i went on nahiri/emrakul and wanted to build the classic gds but i don't wanted to spend €150/200 on snapcasters yet, maybe later.
As fetchlands i will use bloodstained mire and deltas. Without the snapcost i can go with night's whispers covering the life loss of a fetch and was thinking on YP but i can think on kiln fiends
I don't think so... Looting gave us 2 cards and made us draw before discard and had the flashback (no card loss) that was the strongest thing in that card, this is a "sacrifice 2 cards for 1 at random"... I think we just have to leave the old archetype and let it rest in peace
I have played nahiri/emrakul in a 8 players tournament...
2/1 vs titanshift
2/1 vs affinity
0/0 vs jund (we haven't played, we were already quelified)
Top 4:
0/2 vs urza
Bedlam is great but it's too heavy for this no looting version (x1 + 2 nahiri and 3 lands on g1 and 3x + emrakul on g2 made the day for urza). We can't reach the necessary number of spells in the GY that often so i think i will go with 3 SP (when i'll buy them and 1 bedlam as a second nahiri target).
Btw the deck seems solid... I must decide if i want to go with 3 or 4 lingerings (21 or 22 lands) and if we need that much a wrath in mainboard. 2x chandra AOF is a must. What do you think?
Congrats bij that result by the way. Bit unlucky in the urza matchup
The Seasoned Pyromancer upgrade over Bedlam Reveler, will improve your deck a lot I guess. Without looting, Reveler is too hard to cast indeed.
Chandra, Acolyte of Flame seems like a cool addition. It speeds up the Nahiri ultimate. And can protect herself with the right cards in the graveyard. Don't know what to cut yet. But if you got any test-results with her: please share them
About the Lingering Souls: play 4. It's one of the better cards in the deck and protects our walkers. Especially when you also run some Chandra's.
I was thinking the same thing about the SP. I will go with 22 lands, only 1 chandra (probably) , no mainboard wrath (i'm afraid another 4 drop would be too heavy), 4 souls, the YP and 1 ajani in mainboard or in the sideboard (probably sb).
I had no chandras in the tournament but i knew that i could have hand problems without the nahiri discard so i added a night's whispers as a temporary raplacement (just to say i have no feedback for AoF). Having an easier hand reload (SP) and a free spell from the GY per turn (chandra aof) are exactly what i missed the most during the tournament.
Big manas are less problematic than before, they are still a though mu, but not unwinnable anymore. I think this deck will do very well if fixed.
I have played nahiri/emrakul in a 8 players tournament...
2/1 vs titanshift
2/1 vs affinity
0/0 vs jund (we haven't played, we were already quelified)
Top 4:
0/2 vs urza
Bedlam is great but it's too heavy for this no looting version (x1 + 2 nahiri and 3 lands on g1 and 3x + emrakul on g2 made the day for urza). We can't reach the necessary number of spells in the GY that often so i think i will go with 3 SP (when i'll buy them and 1 bedlam as a second nahiri target).
Btw the deck seems solid... I must decide if i want to go with 3 or 4 lingerings (21 or 22 lands) and if we need that much a wrath in mainboard. 2x chandra AOF is a must. What do you think?
M1: 2-1 Hardened scales
M2: 2-0 Urza
Don't know which... Discard, discard, pyromancer and he is gone
M3: 0-2 uw Mentor
Winnable, i had 5-6 bad cards hands in both games.
M4: 2-0 classic uw control
M5: 1-1 Titanshift
Not played, we were already qualified
Top 8:
2-0 bogles:
Tough MU... They had hexproof but discards and nahiri-chandrina-elemental tokens made the day in g1 (even casted an emrakul with nahiri still alive for the win). G2: he kept a middle/bad hand with a leyline of sanctity, looted all the discards and went the anti-auras nahiri mode. I didn't drop all the pushes because i wanted a remotion for the non hexproof drawer and when he attacked with a powered up dryad forest i did the most satisfyng push ever made.
I posted it only for the bogles MU, i thought it was unwinnable but a well protected nahiri can do a 3/4-1 easly. I played this deck 3 times and went top 4, top 8, top 4. Luckly i played against big manas only a bunch of times but the deck seems pretty solid against all other decks. I think that we have the best SB possible and post side our deck feels really strong. Burn and wg auras are the only meh MU out of the big Manas. Maybe i could drop the second damping sphere for an additional Bloodmoon in side (we have a great choose of swissknife spells for our sideboard and 3 big mana dedicated cards+ 3 pillage can be a way, even if i think we still need a great beater). In any case jund has our same pros and cons (the only difference is that tarmo can steal a big mana game sometimes) so if it is played i don't know why we are not. The deck is way better that its online results.
M1: 0-2 vs Hardened Scales
I never played against this deck and i made too many mistakes, i think this MU is all but unwinnable
M2: 2-0 vs uw control
Lingering and discards are the way for the win... They don't have the right removal for me/us (i play with 4 YP as a second win condition)
M3: 1-2 Amulet Titan
As always big manas felt unwinnable except for g2 in which pillage-little chandra-pillage made the day... I still think that mardu will always have problems with it, tron and titanshift even if i think this is simply the worst deck possible for us.
M4: 2-0 Burn
As always helix, brutality and kambal are our wincoin... Discard spells if played well are a must. I still think is a rough MU
M5: 2-0 Ad Nauseam
Discards and YP in g1 and discards and Souls in g2. We are slow on closing but in the topdeck mode they can't easly win
Top 8... Amulet Titan again: 0-2
I think that Emrakul is a support wincoin (i shifted to this deck thinking on YP as the second but maybe i was wrong). I won 7 games but only 1 with emrakul (against Burn, an already won match)... Nahiri is a beast, everyone hates it, eats all the possible removals and is a powerhouse in topdeck. Emrakul is meh, never really casted it but i don't think i'll remove it (it scares too much)... SP is simply great. Chandra AoF is a staple in this deck, she gives you too much amd is our flexible Snapcaster. I think the deck is fine and has the known big mana problem (even if nahiri/emrakul makes the tron and titanshift MU not favorable but roughly winnable). What would you board in?
I have the K commands yet.
I played mardu pyromancer and after the looting ban i went on nahiri/emrakul and wanted to build the classic gds but i don't wanted to spend €150/200 on snapcasters yet, maybe later.
As fetchlands i will use bloodstained mire and deltas. Without the snapcost i can go with night's whispers covering the life loss of a fetch and was thinking on YP but i can think on kiln fiends
I don't think so... Looting gave us 2 cards and made us draw before discard and had the flashback (no card loss) that was the strongest thing in that card, this is a "sacrifice 2 cards for 1 at random"... I think we just have to leave the old archetype and let it rest in peace
I was thinking the same thing about the SP. I will go with 22 lands, only 1 chandra (probably) , no mainboard wrath (i'm afraid another 4 drop would be too heavy), 4 souls, the YP and 1 ajani in mainboard or in the sideboard (probably sb).
I had no chandras in the tournament but i knew that i could have hand problems without the nahiri discard so i added a night's whispers as a temporary raplacement (just to say i have no feedback for AoF). Having an easier hand reload (SP) and a free spell from the GY per turn (chandra aof) are exactly what i missed the most during the tournament.
Big manas are less problematic than before, they are still a though mu, but not unwinnable anymore. I think this deck will do very well if fixed.
2/1 vs titanshift
2/1 vs affinity
0/0 vs jund (we haven't played, we were already quelified)
Top 4:
0/2 vs urza
Bedlam is great but it's too heavy for this no looting version (x1 + 2 nahiri and 3 lands on g1 and 3x + emrakul on g2 made the day for urza). We can't reach the necessary number of spells in the GY that often so i think i will go with 3 SP (when i'll buy them
Btw the deck seems solid... I must decide if i want to go with 3 or 4 lingerings (21 or 22 lands) and if we need that much a wrath in mainboard. 2x chandra AOF is a must. What do you think?