I feel like the people in this thread who are like "it's their game, they can do whatever they want" and "let people have their fun" are being pretty strawmanny and virtue-signally. Yes, they can do whatever they want - they're the company that makes the game, duh. And yes, if your friends really like something, you should probably not be an ******** and bully them for it. Wow, I feel so morally superior right now.
You would have a point if you didn't actually call for these cards to be made not legal in play. You were advocating to take away something for other players, players you will never meet, and you can expect to be called out for that.
I think it's reasonable to expect a game that has (at least until now) put its own IP first continues to do so. Until now, playing black-bordered Magic has meant playing with cards that are canon in the Magic universe.
None of this has been true since literally Magic's first expansion.
Of course I won't police people on this - if it gets too much, I'll just quietly leave.
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But then you go one step further and want to ban these cards because you feel other people also shouldn't be allowed to run them, you go to far. When you talk about bans and legality you are policing the format and it's toxic. If someone gets a kick out of running these cards, let them. If someone wants to run these cards in some officially sanctioned EDH event, let them.
Uhhhh...
Scroll up and read the rest of the posts. Poster is calling for these cards not be legally playable. That's policing.
and yet house bans happen all the time thanks to the way the rules committee hides behind that one particular rule, but that's a-okay. silver border cards aren't legal anywhere either, except sometimes they're okay if the group agrees. why should that be okay and house banning these not be okay? just because of the black border? that's kind of silly. these things opened up so many cans of worms. a legit ban would've bypassed all of that, and you still could've house ruled them legal without stepping on someone's experience.
If you're OK with house rules being so different, then why ban anything at all? Your own group doesn't like these cards? Great! Problem solved, right? Just don't force your house rules on everyone else, and we're all good!
you playing them by extension means you support those views and practices. you bought into it. that's how that works.
A card is a card is a card. The player with their TWD card is no more responsible for the decisions of multi-billion-dollar-company Hasbro than the player playing Therese Nielsen cards, or Reserved List cards, or Nexus of Faith, or even the person with the War of the Spark novel on their shelves. Let people have their fun.
so if someone at the table or the entire rest of the table, hates what these mean for magic, hate having their immersion broken like that... well... now you're forcing that onto them.[...]
your argument about forced views and toxic policing works both ways here.
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. You are responsible for how you feel. Other players aren't responsible for how you feel during a game of Magic, provided they play in good faith and are just wanting to have a good time and aren't purposely griefing you. This applies to every card, deck, or interaction. The person playing TWD cards isn't policing what you play, but you want to police what they play.
If these cards greatly upset you, not only when you play them (which you won't), but when you see others play them, that really is something for you to work out for yourself. Honestly, if you can't, then don't play with players who do. You don't have to! I'd rather you say "I don't like TWD cards therefor I won't play with players who run TWD cards" then "I don't like TWD cards therefor players can't play them when I'm around". The first let's you take ownership of your feelings, and consequences. The latter makes others responsible for your feelings, and suffer the consequences.
How would you like your opponent playing with a My Little Pony card as their legal, completely legitimate commander?
I'd love it if it makes them happy. Let people have their fun. It's 2020.
IP crossovers cards with no in-universe equivalent should not be legal by default because it dilutes MtGs own creative vision.
You play the cards you feel fit “MtGs own creative vision” in your eyes, and let others play their Godzillas, Transformers, My Little Ponies, Walkers, cartoon Goblins, and anime waifu Planeswalkers if it makes them happy. Don’t police what others may find fun or interesting. Let them enjoy their cards as you enjoy yours.
I knew that I'd be painted as some curmugdeon who tries to take other's fun away for this. However, that's not actually the case. I just don't want Magic to become the TCG equivalent of Super Smash Brothers. Of course I won't police people on this - if it gets too much, I'll just quietly leave.
Look, I fully get when people object to this because of the limited availability, or the price point, or the lack of international shipping. Valid points! Then there's folks who complain because they don't like Walking Dead (or other IP) cards and don't personally want to run those cards. Fine too!
But then you go one step further and want to ban these cards because you feel other people also shouldn't be allowed to run them, you go to far. When you talk about bans and legality you are policing the format and it's toxic. If someone gets a kick out of running these cards, let them. If someone wants to run these cards in some officially sanctioned EDH event, let them.
How would you like your opponent playing with a My Little Pony card as their legal, completely legitimate commander?
I'd love it if it makes them happy. Let people have their fun. It's 2020.
IP crossovers cards with no in-universe equivalent should not be legal by default because it dilutes MtGs own creative vision.
You play the cards you feel fit “MtGs own creative vision” in your eyes, and let others play their Godzillas, Transformers, My Little Ponies, Walkers, cartoon Goblins, and anime waifu Planeswalkers if it makes them happy. Don’t police what others may find fun or interesting. Let them enjoy their cards as you enjoy yours.
except they're also considered multicolored when determining color for things like protection too... so... yeah, they're multicolored, it functions just fine, and it fits the flavor of the format just fine too
I never quite understood this argument, because the card's color |= color identity, yet you hear it all the time even from members in the RC.
Color identity is purely a deckbuilding restriction based on criteria other than or besides the card's color during the game, and you can come down on either side of the argument, but using variations of the "hybrid cards are both colors in play" seems disingenuous.
It’s not. Commander is fine. Just take a deep breath and get off the internet for a while (sound advice for all of us!).
You would have a point if you didn't actually call for these cards to be made not legal in play. You were advocating to take away something for other players, players you will never meet, and you can expect to be called out for that.
None of this has been true since literally Magic's first expansion.
Scroll up and read the rest of the posts. Poster is calling for these cards not be legally playable. That's policing.
If you're OK with house rules being so different, then why ban anything at all? Your own group doesn't like these cards? Great! Problem solved, right? Just don't force your house rules on everyone else, and we're all good!
A card is a card is a card. The player with their TWD card is no more responsible for the decisions of multi-billion-dollar-company Hasbro than the player playing Therese Nielsen cards, or Reserved List cards, or Nexus of Faith, or even the person with the War of the Spark novel on their shelves. Let people have their fun.
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. You are responsible for how you feel. Other players aren't responsible for how you feel during a game of Magic, provided they play in good faith and are just wanting to have a good time and aren't purposely griefing you. This applies to every card, deck, or interaction. The person playing TWD cards isn't policing what you play, but you want to police what they play.
If these cards greatly upset you, not only when you play them (which you won't), but when you see others play them, that really is something for you to work out for yourself. Honestly, if you can't, then don't play with players who do. You don't have to! I'd rather you say "I don't like TWD cards therefor I won't play with players who run TWD cards" then "I don't like TWD cards therefor players can't play them when I'm around". The first let's you take ownership of your feelings, and consequences. The latter makes others responsible for your feelings, and suffer the consequences.
Look, I fully get when people object to this because of the limited availability, or the price point, or the lack of international shipping. Valid points! Then there's folks who complain because they don't like Walking Dead (or other IP) cards and don't personally want to run those cards. Fine too!
But then you go one step further and want to ban these cards because you feel other people also shouldn't be allowed to run them, you go to far. When you talk about bans and legality you are policing the format and it's toxic. If someone gets a kick out of running these cards, let them. If someone wants to run these cards in some officially sanctioned EDH event, let them.
You play the cards you feel fit “MtGs own creative vision” in your eyes, and let others play their Godzillas, Transformers, My Little Ponies, Walkers, cartoon Goblins, and anime waifu Planeswalkers if it makes them happy. Don’t police what others may find fun or interesting. Let them enjoy their cards as you enjoy yours.
I'd love it if it makes them happy. Let people have their fun. It's 2020.
I never quite understood this argument, because the card's color |= color identity, yet you hear it all the time even from members in the RC.
Archangel Avacyn is never Red, Yasova Dragonclaw is never Red, Nettle Drone is never Red so your Circle of Protection: Red doesn't prevent damage from those cards, your Blue Elemental Blast doesn't destroy them, and your Auriok Champion doesn't have protection against them.
Color identity is purely a deckbuilding restriction based on criteria other than or besides the card's color during the game, and you can come down on either side of the argument, but using variations of the "hybrid cards are both colors in play" seems disingenuous.