Boom did well too, but I ******* called Chad being scum. And then let myself get talked out of it.
You had really good instincts all game but never acted on them. If you are open to advice, your negative space read was really good. When things are going badly repeatedly you need to assume the wolves are being proactive and stop letting other people influence you. Trust your gut, and only read others to see if they are sincere, don't actually be persuaded by them. And if you have a gut feeling of scum, then push for it.
Please explain to me nice and slow how a No Yeet is at all beneficial for the scumteam rather than just killing you.
I mean, technically, a no-yeet followed the next day by yeeting Azreal anyway did benefit scum. The yeet is towns weapon, failing to yeet is a better outcome for scum then even a missyeet because it leaves the missyeetables in the game for later.
Regarding "I expect KJ to declare a full solve.", I mean KJ probably dies toNight and he's probably the last person that everyone trusts. So if we can all agree to the next 3 yeets now we can keep that town unity after his departure.
You pushed Azreal harder than anyone. You pushed Anak. Vaimes has been a lot more wishy washy. Yeah, we've all been wrong. But you've been actively wrong. Unless the scum team is just sitting back and watching us tear ourselves apart.
Idk, I just don't see a PoE without you or Vaimes in it, and Vaimes has a lot more "townie uncertainty".
That's not mechanics, that's play. Mechanics is roles and what not.
Do you find that I don't actually believe the cases I made for Az and Anak? Are the conclusions I've drawn manipulated? Otherwise you have to "accept" (or I guess consider since this is mafia) that I pushed those cause I believed them. Even now, I dont see how my arguments were not strong. It's a super hit to the ego, I guess.
Kinda think there's something to be said for the whole "sitting back and watching us tear ourselves apart" - making me think that the scumteam is not terribly active this game.
And about the bolded re:KJ?
I agree with you on the quoting.
Right, I'm saying mechanics wise because of the 2 vit pingers you must be town. Tone wise you've got that townie confidence. Action wise you've been proactively helping scum's cause whether intentionally or not, but it's a reason to be suspicious. And PoE wise you are the town read I'm least sure about.
Anak I get, he was super inconsistent and felt like caught scum. But tell me again why you pushed Azreal? I know he was trying to pull some 4D chess thing, but was it not apparent that it was townie motivated?
I guess the best answer to your question is: why can't there be two scum vit thieves? One vit point is not a lot of killing power.
Can someone refresh me on who the vit targets were and confirmation that they were targeted by chance?
We know the NK damages Vit, just from a game design perspective having two scum vit thieves and the NK vit damage is a lot of very samey powers for the mafia. I don't think it's as straight forward as that. The only thing I can think of is if mafia can divide the NK vit damage however they please so they can do like, 4 damage to one person or like 2, 1, 1 and spread it around. That would be an interesting anti-claim mechanic where the mafia get a big advantage if people reveal too much info and it's easier to guess how much Vit everyone has. Kinda OP though since we could be in LYLO, get the right yeet and still lose. So if that's really the design I'm going to have words with grape about it in the post game.
1 Vit is a decent amount of killing power consider at least GJ and I started with 1 Vit. I'm sure there's a few 2s as well. I really don't think scum have that. It's probably just 1 NK and 1 vit thief, which means Sloth is town and I need to rethink either Vaimes or Bur.
Iirc:
N1 HR
N2 KJ and GJ (sloth)
N3 HR and Me (sloth)
N4 Cuth
... But really, at the end of the day this is your guys game and I'm just a warm seat. I expect KJ to declare a full solve. And we follow it until we win or lose. I think we've still got about a 50% chance of winning this.
I'm here to help, but my days of being a try hard are over.
So you've essentially...given up on the game?
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. In LYLO town have to vote together, 100% as a block. We can't afford to be wishy washy and push for our favorite scum-read. If KJ is for example pushing that we vote HR and I think Tubba is most likely either I have to convince KJ I'm right or I have to follow his decision.
I mean you are active but not proactive. You stated opinions but don't push to get what you want. We've missyeeted every day which makes me think scum have been the drivers. Everything points to Sloth except mechanics, but I think I really should throw out the assumption that I have all the pieces to this puzzle.
Meaning you think Vaimes is town>scum?
Also, lol at that. I feel like if you take mechanics out of the equation, I've been the towniest player. With mechanics, the only one mostly cleared is really Bur - I'm second there based on Nigh Actions.
You pushed Azreal harder than anyone. You pushed Anak. Vaimes has been a lot more wishy washy. Yeah, we've all been wrong. But you've been actively wrong. Unless the scum team is just sitting back and watching us tear ourselves apart.
Idk, I just don't see a PoE without you or Vaimes in it, and Vaimes has a lot more "townie uncertainty".
Nice.
You had really good instincts all game but never acted on them. If you are open to advice, your negative space read was really good. When things are going badly repeatedly you need to assume the wolves are being proactive and stop letting other people influence you. Trust your gut, and only read others to see if they are sincere, don't actually be persuaded by them. And if you have a gut feeling of scum, then push for it.
Yeah, I was planning to NK you and ping Bur until your last posts.
Sorry KJ.
If ones of them self votes that proves the other is scum anyway.
Considering Vaimes is for it and Sloth is against it is telling...
Anak I get, he was super inconsistent and felt like caught scum. But tell me again why you pushed Azreal? I know he was trying to pull some 4D chess thing, but was it not apparent that it was townie motivated?
1 Vit is a decent amount of killing power consider at least GJ and I started with 1 Vit. I'm sure there's a few 2s as well. I really don't think scum have that. It's probably just 1 NK and 1 vit thief, which means Sloth is town and I need to rethink either Vaimes or Bur.
Iirc:
N1 HR
N2 KJ and GJ (sloth)
N3 HR and Me (sloth)
N4 Cuth
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. In LYLO town have to vote together, 100% as a block. We can't afford to be wishy washy and push for our favorite scum-read. If KJ is for example pushing that we vote HR and I think Tubba is most likely either I have to convince KJ I'm right or I have to follow his decision.
You pushed Azreal harder than anyone. You pushed Anak. Vaimes has been a lot more wishy washy. Yeah, we've all been wrong. But you've been actively wrong. Unless the scum team is just sitting back and watching us tear ourselves apart.
Idk, I just don't see a PoE without you or Vaimes in it, and Vaimes has a lot more "townie uncertainty".
P.S. I hate quoting on this forum....
@Vaimes: Tubba or Bur?