Originally UB was supposed to licenced IPs that Hasbro doesn't own, with the IPs Hasbro owns wouldn't like Transformers, GI Joe, etc..., not being UB.
But Transformers is UB, even though Hasbro owns it, which means that it's not Universes Within a term even devs like Rosewater have started to use.
What is Universes Within? The Blind Eternities (tradition MtG setting), Un-Verse (which is now black border), and The Great Wheel (the most common name for the D&D multiverse) are Universes Within.
This suggests to me the both Un-verse and the Great Wheel have are going to link up or merge with the Blind Eternities.
No, they cannot. Disney is literally releasing their own own CCG around the same time with princesses in it, they would never cut out their own properties like that. Also this is the first time I have heard this as being a rumor as opposed to just some fanboy wish.
So again, no.
Final Fantasy already has a success TCG, warhammer already has a trading card game and its coming out with another one after 40k decks release, they did a secret lair with League of Legends which I think has some kind of TCG.
Because I have enjoyed this game for nearly 30 years and it absolutely sickens me to see how WotC completely sold out and is making it a sad incoherent mockery of it's former self in the matter of only a couple of years. Some people actually care about staying true to the original nature and aesthetics of the game instead of sheepishly cheerleading everything.
First dozens of Secret Lairs that don't even resemble Magic anymore, then freaking stickers, Space Marines, now Transformers and Dr flippin' Who due next. It's the whole floodgate of patheticness that has been opened so far added up. They shouldn't force people to have to deal with this outside IP bs. It will not bring good things to playing tables and the divide that will happen is on Wizards.
Not that I should require to explain these quite obvious things to anyone, but that would be it.
A little louder, the cloud didn't quite here you, grandpa.
i too am a 30 year vet and your response here is pure trolling.
this isn't the game we fell in love with. this isn't magic any more. this is some amalgamation of garbage under the title of magic. for 30 years the game grew under its own IP without need of others. it had an identity. it was more than just cards with mechanics. we've seen that identity dwindle and erode over the past 2 years until we're at the greed driven point we are now. whats more is that now we cant' even voice discontent. they're baked right into boosters and many players have made discussion impossible as they respond the way you have. these are legitimate concerns for long time players/fans/collectors of this game. just because you don't agree doesn't make us wrong and doesn't mean we're insane.
with them baked in there isn't even a real way to opt out. don't buy product? yet this set is tailor made for old timers and is a love letter to those who played when the brothers war story was fresh, and ingrained into magic. buy product? now you're saying its okay to keep including these cards. we're stuck and responses like yours just move goal posts further down the field while alienating portions of the playerbase.
personally, i play magic for magic. its worlds. its story. its uniqueness. i don't play it because i want to experience another franchises uniqueness. i don't play magic purely for its mechanics. once those lines start blurring it stops being magic and isn't necessarily something i want to associate with any more. thats a real hard wake up call after 30 years of enjoying magic for being magic. not transformers.
I suggest burning the transformer cards to heat your home this winter, it'll be cheaper then home heating prices anyways and keep the BW cards you like.
Given that Transformers are going to be in BRO Collector & Set Boosters and Bundles, could the rumoured Disney Princesses actually be in Wilds of Eldraine?
Interesting, although disappointed that the Warhammer Secret Lairs weren't revealed yet.
5 Starter Commander Decks in December. That brings the total to 24 Commander Precons and 1 Draftable Commander set. At least these ones will likely be super cheap, maybe even compared to Kaldheim Decks.
The key value of Monoxa isn't the benifit that goes to her, it's that she can trigger other cards like Barbarian, Puzzlebox, and Wyll as often as you have mana to feed her ability, the self buff is just gravy. Also you can mutate or buff her making her abilities even better.
Rumour has it that Lost Caverns of Ixalan will have Venture into the Dungeon. I think its somekind of hollow earth story with ruins and other strange things to explore and I think these Caverns will connect all the continients.
We know what sets are coming next year (possibly they might not have announced some supplemental sets).
Q1 has Dominaria Remastered & Phyrexia All Are One.
Q2 has March of the Machine & March of the Machine: Aftermath (the first fifth Standard legal Set in a rotation),
Q3 Lord of the Rings set
Q4 Wilds of Eldraine and Lost Caverns of Ixalan.
There is two Universes Beyond Space "Sets", the Warhammer 40k Commander Decks + Secret Lairs and next year Dr. Who Commander Decks + Secret Lairs.
No space for, well none UB space sets in 2023, and given 24 is D&Ds 50th anniversary I suspect many of the early sets will play to that theme, so earliest for space sets (not counting UBs or Secret Lairs) would be Q4 2024.
I think we are thinking too hard. The set names and arts seem to tell us everything.
Teferi is in the past watching the [Brothers War] to figure out how to use the Sylex,
in the meantime New Phyrexia will (consolidate, maybe the Urabrask Elspeth story line) (possibly gather more planeswalkers, (only Chandra in the art for MoM)and use the Seedcore Tree to branch to at least a few other planes[All will be One].
The March of the Machines begin the invasions to other planes, heroes fight back in an infinity war, losing until Teferi zaps back in and uses the Sylex.
[Aftermath] Many planeswalkers dead, Phyrexia defeated but the Branches still remain.
I still think at least one or more of the branches will link to D&D world/s.
Yeah it could be like the thanos snap, killing all Phyrexians or something like that.
It could also be used to retcon or explain why events of War of the Spark didn’t happen the way they’re portrayed in the books. Maybe some butterfly effect of time travel- though that would be counter to how we’ve seen time travel work on Tarkir, with serious changes only affecting the plane in question.
If that’s the case they could also use the plot device to explain a new timeline (Netflix series) or why the current timeline is a little bit changed.
I don’t think think the Non-Phyrexization of the settings afterwards means there **won’t** be a cosmic in-lore retcon, but rather it instead suggests that New Phyrexia likely loses or isn’t 100% successful.
The Caverns of Ixalan set however mention the loss of the ‘Sun’ artefact as still being canonical so that is the biggest point against my theory unless some plot points remain the same.
Some other ‘big’ options besides/in addition to a cosmic retcon:
- all/some planes permanently connected via a multiverse tree (allows disparate legendaries to interact like in ‘commander’)
- all/some universes perma connected by a multiverse tree (think ‘Universes Beyond’) yes. I hate this.
- the Spark being changed (allows corporate to meddle with PW powers or roster)
-ordering of the multiverse changed (unpopular planes fading/dying, popular planes more central < Shandalar destroyed, Dominaria’s placement shifts, Ravnica becomes center of the multiverse>)
- maybe it will be the end of the current storyline and the epilogue will be meant to explain what happened to our favourite characters with future sets set in the far future as a soft reboot.
- colour pie or card type/mechanical changes
- Connect canonically the D&D universe and MtG multiverse on account of some deep cosmological screw up (I hope not)
My main point is that if a major change to the multiverse is being hinted at as a plot point- you can ‘bet your butt’ that the reasoning behind the move will be a corporate one, though not necessarily good nor bad as that’s subjective and we don’t have a lot of info yet.
Evidence from the past? The Mending was a way to make godlike planeswalkers grokable and bring the story online with contemporary tastes.
Someone check to see if there’s been any shift or news about Hasbro grand IP plans though, as that might give us a better picture of what could possibly be realigned.
Remember when Fox owned the film rights to the X-Men, while Marvel owned the comic book rights?
- Marvel: No More Mutants/introd of Inhumans/less emphasis on mutants in the Comics
Then Disney eventually acquired both.
Magic isn’t just a story or a card game. It’s a franchise, and we can’t understand how the game and story evolves without taking larger interests into account.
Maybe this is all just in my head, but we Vorthi are often Wizards’ greatest fans and most inconvenient critics. When the company tried to change Chandra’s sexuality in War of the Spark for marketing purposes, the community (vorthi in particular) let the company know that it was an unacceptable change.
Not all change is bad, but we need to be similarly prepared to interrogate the larger interests at play behind any large changes in the future to both the game & story.
My theory is that some past story elements will remain the same, but that the future Netflix series will be deemed ‘canon’ or ‘concurrent’ alongside/over the canon we know & love already. This will aide Hasbro’s possible larger franchise-building goal of keeping both streams consistent, and encouraging consumers to follow both.
I think it was when AFR came out that Wizards said that while they weren't currently merging the D&D & MtG multuverses together, it's somthing they would do if folks were open to it, and given both D&D sets made a ton of money and MtG D&D books too, enough folks are open to it.
This sort of connection is a bridge between MtG and D&D that won't require major structuring of either setting, one won't be contained in the other, simply a bridge between them.
This will also make reprinting D&D cards in other sets easier, which was a major problem in the making.
BUT this will NOT extend to UB, they don't want connections to IPs they don't own, that's legal nightmare.
Some folks already think the merging of D&D & MtG already happened.
And the practical value of the Antimending is that it fixes that box that the Mending put the story into.
The Mending created the situation where MtG only had three major villians which their using up quickly. Bolas is used up, by the end of the arc the Phyrexians will need a break, and that leaves just the Eldrazi. That's it, all other big villians are locked to their planes or a minor villians like Tibalt, Oko, etc...,
The Antimending allows say Heliod or Eberios to try and spread their faiths to other worlds, or feinds of Hell to unleash their fury or the undead of Amonkhet to spread to other worlds. This is just a taste of possible story lines the Antimending opens back up.
Basicly the Mending painted the MtG story into a corner, the Antimending is them makinga new doors out of the corner. And a bridge to D&D.
"As to whether the Forgotten Realms are now canonically part of Magic's Multiverse, for now, the answer is no. But we may change our minds in the future if it makes sense and is a fun net positive for Magic and D&D."
That is not something you back out a few sets later with a Hulk snap.
But Transformers is UB, even though Hasbro owns it, which means that it's not Universes Within a term even devs like Rosewater have started to use.
What is Universes Within? The Blind Eternities (tradition MtG setting), Un-Verse (which is now black border), and The Great Wheel (the most common name for the D&D multiverse) are Universes Within.
This suggests to me the both Un-verse and the Great Wheel have are going to link up or merge with the Blind Eternities.
Thoughts?
Final Fantasy already has a success TCG, warhammer already has a trading card game and its coming out with another one after 40k decks release, they did a secret lair with League of Legends which I think has some kind of TCG.
So it's been done before.
I suggest burning the transformer cards to heat your home this winter, it'll be cheaper then home heating prices anyways and keep the BW cards you like.
The only UBs we know about are Dr. Who Commander Decks, LotR set with Commander Decks, Assassins Creed, and Final Fantasy.
PS is anyone else surprised that the Transformers are UB, I mean I thought UB was supposed to be only IPs that Hasbro doesn't own.
So that leaves just The Blind Eternities, Great Wheel (D&D), and Un-verse as "In Universe" IPs while the rest are "out of universe" UBs.
D&D counting as in universe still says me that they are goi going to merge or link the D&D & MtG and UnMtG Settings together in the lore.
5 Starter Commander Decks in December. That brings the total to 24 Commander Precons and 1 Draftable Commander set. At least these ones will likely be super cheap, maybe even compared to Kaldheim Decks.
You left the r off at the end of Raphael, Fiendish Savior
One card the space Marine might love is the Horn of Valhalla, basically it turns the x on the adventure as card draw.
Q1 has Dominaria Remastered & Phyrexia All Are One.
Q2 has March of the Machine & March of the Machine: Aftermath (the first fifth Standard legal Set in a rotation),
Q3 Lord of the Rings set
Q4 Wilds of Eldraine and Lost Caverns of Ixalan.
There is two Universes Beyond Space "Sets", the Warhammer 40k Commander Decks + Secret Lairs and next year Dr. Who Commander Decks + Secret Lairs.
No space for, well none UB space sets in 2023, and given 24 is D&Ds 50th anniversary I suspect many of the early sets will play to that theme, so earliest for space sets (not counting UBs or Secret Lairs) would be Q4 2024.
I still think at least one or more of the branches will link to D&D world/s.
I think it was when AFR came out that Wizards said that while they weren't currently merging the D&D & MtG multuverses together, it's somthing they would do if folks were open to it, and given both D&D sets made a ton of money and MtG D&D books too, enough folks are open to it.
This sort of connection is a bridge between MtG and D&D that won't require major structuring of either setting, one won't be contained in the other, simply a bridge between them.
This will also make reprinting D&D cards in other sets easier, which was a major problem in the making.
BUT this will NOT extend to UB, they don't want connections to IPs they don't own, that's legal nightmare.
Some folks already think the merging of D&D & MtG already happened.
And the practical value of the Antimending is that it fixes that box that the Mending put the story into.
The Mending created the situation where MtG only had three major villians which their using up quickly. Bolas is used up, by the end of the arc the Phyrexians will need a break, and that leaves just the Eldrazi. That's it, all other big villians are locked to their planes or a minor villians like Tibalt, Oko, etc...,
The Antimending allows say Heliod or Eberios to try and spread their faiths to other worlds, or feinds of Hell to unleash their fury or the undead of Amonkhet to spread to other worlds. This is just a taste of possible story lines the Antimending opens back up.
Basicly the Mending painted the MtG story into a corner, the Antimending is them makinga new doors out of the corner. And a bridge to D&D.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/magics-voyages-universes-beyond-2021-02-25
"As to whether the Forgotten Realms are now canonically part of Magic's Multiverse, for now, the answer is no. But we may change our minds in the future if it makes sense and is a fun net positive for Magic and D&D."
That is not something you back out a few sets later with a Hulk snap.
Looks like that future is 2023.