1-I don't HAVE to use sleeves. Some us even played the game when there weren't even sleeves to use, and there are still MANY people that don't use them.
2-If I choose to use sleeves. I simply dry erase the cards between rounds and then crinkle the sleeve a tiny little bit when it's in my hand. Quite simple really.
Not saying any of this will ever happen, but this is simply a can of worms I'm surprised they chose to open.
Ever take a multiple choice test where you had to fill in circles to tell the teacher what answer you were going for? It's like that. It has to be a dark indicator on the card that makes it fairly obvious it's that card by looking at it. you don't have to fill the dot completely, just enough of it to indicate that it's your choice.
And how do you know this? Unless a member of the DCI committee tells me otherwise, then it isn't more than speculation that they have been forethoughtful enough to define a "marked" checklist card.
Even if that have that as their definition, people are all assuming that they have to mark the card as opposed to unmarking the card. Why not mark the card 2-3 different times with a dry erase, then casually wipe your thumb on the card to unmark the ones you don't want. The limited scope of thinking "a marked card is a card clearly marked with a black sharpie. 100% filled in on the bubble" is what will make you easy to cheat against.
Sad that only fnord seems to understand the depravity people will go to to win a few packs. I have been on a theft prevention team for years. I tend to instantly look at many situations from the perspective of the cheater/thief. Always looking for that angle to get ahead of the rules or law.
I...must say, I don't know how people will be able to mark cards during a duel and not have it be really obvious...that and if they do that competitively, they will have to bring a LOT of checklist cards and have to switch them out very often. It's just not realistic. .
You're assuming marking the checklist card means taking a sharpie and marking the dot thoroughly. I'm thinking along the lines of people finding a way to "mark" their card with say a spot of grease on their finger.
Basically, the DCI needs steadfast rules on what a "mark" on a checklist card constitutes. Then all we have to worry about is the guy that colored in 98% of their boxes with a sharpie getting DQ'd because their opponent complained that per the DCI 100% of the dot must be filled.
As a TO and FLGS store manager I'm so not looking forward to this set. Any mechanic that requires outside of the game explaination methods just leads to confusion and headache for casual players (I'm looking at you planeswalkers...).
I know there are a few threads about the new mechanic out there, but I'm a bit concerned about the checklist cards.
I run a FLGS with a healthy (25-35 weekly) FNM group. There are a couple of rules issues I'm interested to see how they are handled.
1 - Are we going to have to deck check everyone with checklist cards in their deck after the match to make sure they didn't have 4 checklist cards marked Garruk Relentless but only truly own 3 of them? I know this is similar to deck checking to see if someone has 5 of a card in their deck, but this just seems easier to pull off what with all the taking of cards out of sleeves to flip them and getting cards from out of the game on a regular basis.
2 - What's to stop an devious cheater from putting unmarked checklist cards in their deck and finding a way to mark them after they draw them so that they conveniently have the card that's good for that situation. "Oh look. Late game I'm sitting on a pile of lands and I got just lucky enough to draw Ludevic's Test Subject and not Mayor of Avabruk." If you believe this can't/won't happen you've never met some of the scum of the competitive Magic world.
I haven't played truly competitive Magic in well over a decade so I would be interested in what many of the more active players think might come of these issues. I'm sure there are more potential cheating based rules issues that people have thought of. Thought it might be nice to start making people and judges aware of possibilities before the set drops.
EDIT: Not really a Rumor. Mods feel free to move the thread where it belongs.
Thank goodness they made these transforming cards. The game was getting too big and popular after finally getting back many of the players run off by Mirridon/Kamigawa. Now we can go from 36 players at my average FNM back the the 6-8 we should have.
Why are they auto-wasted? If Fauna Shaman were named Garruk's Shaman, would it automatically be wasted?
I was thinking "I guess by that thinking I guess if it was 'Garruk's Titan' in M11 it would have been junk......." (It actually themes really well with Garruk)
The M11 themed cards aren't that bad. I still think that Lilliana's Spectre gets more cards then the average Hypnotic as he usually dies the instant he hits the board.
I hear there was a tournament in which a player ran a deck like that (except Feldon's Cane instead of wheel). The rules were "no 4 card limit; no ban list; you solitaire until you can't beat an invisible player turn 1".
Ran a tournament back in the mid 90's where the loser won 22 games in a row against invisible opponent. Winner was able to go 23. It was silly. Those were the only decks with all the power in the tournament so the rest of the games were pretty normal for the time.
I use the Classic ID Velcro Pouch to hold my Cash/credit & ID cards (I don't take my whole wallet usually), a deckbox, and phone/ipod if need be. As an added bonus you can put your Con badge right up front too.
Sure a thief can get it, but they'll really have to earn it off my neck.......
Hate to tell you, but about 25% of my FNM players don't use sleeves. Neither do most of my drafters.
Two things.
1-I don't HAVE to use sleeves. Some us even played the game when there weren't even sleeves to use, and there are still MANY people that don't use them.
2-If I choose to use sleeves. I simply dry erase the cards between rounds and then crinkle the sleeve a tiny little bit when it's in my hand. Quite simple really.
Not saying any of this will ever happen, but this is simply a can of worms I'm surprised they chose to open.
And how do you know this? Unless a member of the DCI committee tells me otherwise, then it isn't more than speculation that they have been forethoughtful enough to define a "marked" checklist card.
Even if that have that as their definition, people are all assuming that they have to mark the card as opposed to unmarking the card. Why not mark the card 2-3 different times with a dry erase, then casually wipe your thumb on the card to unmark the ones you don't want. The limited scope of thinking "a marked card is a card clearly marked with a black sharpie. 100% filled in on the bubble" is what will make you easy to cheat against.
Sad that only fnord seems to understand the depravity people will go to to win a few packs. I have been on a theft prevention team for years. I tend to instantly look at many situations from the perspective of the cheater/thief. Always looking for that angle to get ahead of the rules or law.
Or use a two part ink.
You're assuming marking the checklist card means taking a sharpie and marking the dot thoroughly. I'm thinking along the lines of people finding a way to "mark" their card with say a spot of grease on their finger.
Basically, the DCI needs steadfast rules on what a "mark" on a checklist card constitutes. Then all we have to worry about is the guy that colored in 98% of their boxes with a sharpie getting DQ'd because their opponent complained that per the DCI 100% of the dot must be filled.
As a TO and FLGS store manager I'm so not looking forward to this set. Any mechanic that requires outside of the game explaination methods just leads to confusion and headache for casual players (I'm looking at you planeswalkers...).
I run a FLGS with a healthy (25-35 weekly) FNM group. There are a couple of rules issues I'm interested to see how they are handled.
1 - Are we going to have to deck check everyone with checklist cards in their deck after the match to make sure they didn't have 4 checklist cards marked Garruk Relentless but only truly own 3 of them? I know this is similar to deck checking to see if someone has 5 of a card in their deck, but this just seems easier to pull off what with all the taking of cards out of sleeves to flip them and getting cards from out of the game on a regular basis.
2 - What's to stop an devious cheater from putting unmarked checklist cards in their deck and finding a way to mark them after they draw them so that they conveniently have the card that's good for that situation. "Oh look. Late game I'm sitting on a pile of lands and I got just lucky enough to draw Ludevic's Test Subject and not Mayor of Avabruk." If you believe this can't/won't happen you've never met some of the scum of the competitive Magic world.
I haven't played truly competitive Magic in well over a decade so I would be interested in what many of the more active players think might come of these issues. I'm sure there are more potential cheating based rules issues that people have thought of. Thought it might be nice to start making people and judges aware of possibilities before the set drops.
EDIT: Not really a Rumor. Mods feel free to move the thread where it belongs.
I was thinking "I guess by that thinking I guess if it was 'Garruk's Titan' in M11 it would have been junk......." (It actually themes really well with Garruk)
The M11 themed cards aren't that bad. I still think that Lilliana's Spectre gets more cards then the average Hypnotic as he usually dies the instant he hits the board.
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I use the Classic ID Velcro Pouch to hold my Cash/credit & ID cards (I don't take my whole wallet usually), a deckbox, and phone/ipod if need be. As an added bonus you can put your Con badge right up front too.
Sure a thief can get it, but they'll really have to earn it off my neck.......