Or just don't play until the 8th cos this format is not worth our time with such a broken deck warping the whole format.
"Don't play until the next B&R announcement" seems to have been the go-to line for anyone complaining about Modern for nearly the past year. How long do we "wait for the next announcement" before giving up entirely? Or are we so financially and emotionally invested, that we just keep on playing, even though games are awful and the format is full of degenerate garbage?
I have only feelt like this two times in modern history: now and during eldrazi winter.
The Eldrazi deck did not have any weaknesses really, except maybe bridge? The Hogakvine deck has many weaknesses, especially post board. Just play a playset of ravenous trap in this world and they are toast. Don't exaggerate again. Every ban suggestion of yours have been wide off the mark.
I hope you realize that playing a playset of whatever gy hate maindeck is not a sigh of a healthy format, for me and for wizards.
And even then, what's the probability of drawing 1 out of the 4 maindeck hate cards before they already comboed off and have 10 zombie tokens? Like 50%?
What are you gonna do against half the other meta with 4 useless maindeck cards?
This is just nonsense. Look, I'll leave it here. Won't post anymore until the 8th, see you then.
Or just don't play until the 8th cos this format is not worth our time with such a broken deck warping the whole format.
"Don't play until the next B&R announcement" seems to have been the go-to line for anyone complaining about Modern for nearly the past year. How long do we "wait for the next announcement" before giving up entirely? Or are we so financially and emotionally invested, that we just keep on playing, even though games are awful and the format is full of degenerate garbage?
I have only feelt like this two times in modern history: now and during eldrazi winter.
I was wrong about GDS that one time (the one mana tutor). About storm, I was calling for a ban because they would 90% of the time combo on turn3 if you didn't kill their t2 electromancer, which at the time was in the watch list, I'm sure of that. But you also don't remember all the bans I was right about, which were many.
I mean, the bridge ban is so obvious to me, I can't understand why it isn't super obvious for the rest of you lol.
Seeing we have 2 big paper touirnaments before the 8th, I'll be enthusiastically waiting for those results.
They don't test past standard, that's why the ban list exists, to ban problematic cards. Don't know why people are so afraid of bans. Bans are also what mantains the format fresh and evolving. Don't be afraid of bans. I guess I'm so used to "bans" aka buffs and nerfs in other online games that it's just a natural process to me.
Half the bans wizards makes don't even outright kill the deck, just downgrade them from tier0 to tier1-3.
Bridge is going to Jesus on the 8th, that's for sure.
I think, for wizards, it's intended to have removal maindeck, but having graveyard have both in the md and the sb is not what wizards intends for a healthy format.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C717Dodx63M
So funny how the only games he loses are because of incredible amounts of graveyard hate. I wonder what that amount of MD GY hate does against tron and humans tho.
PD: magic aids is the best.
Bridge always seemed to me like a super broken card that is only waiting paciently for the right card to break it again. It was broken in the original dredge but they banned dread return instead. Their mistake was not banning both of them. Now, we can't play Modern for 4 weeks because of that.
In my many years of experience playing this game, I know how to recognize a deck (I failed at this a couple of times along the way too, but I've learnt from my mistakes... I once asked for a GDS nerf, that was a mistake) that is going to get nerfed (banned is a bad word here for some folks, lo let's say NERF, like in most online games).
Dredge is a deck that is almost past the line, it aaaaalmost needs a nerf, but since people started maindecking graveyard hate, lots of gy hate on the SB too, etc, etc, dredge has been kept at bay by the metagame, without TOO MUCH warping.
But oh boy this new bridge deck, this is just a way different level. This is ban hammmer level (ops sorry for using the B word).
The only deck I think can compete against this new deck is humans thanks to meddling mage naming hogaak.
this is another debate, but i, for one, find banning anything extremely short-sighted, ugly and unecessary. there's not a SINGLE card in the modern banlist that couldn't be restricted (which, as i said before many times, is much more elegant). chrome mox wouldn't break anything as a one of, nor would any other of these cards. meanwhile, they would surely improve strategies and add an interesting deckbuilding option to the cardpool.
banning should only come for inevitable stuff, but hardly anything becomes inevitable as a one of without ridiculously efficient tutors and done under modern's overall design constraints.
Here we have a hogaak or whatever the new guy is called player. Nice one mate. Enjoy your 75% winrate while it lasts.
Re: Challenge results
As I wrote in the Reddit post, the Challenge results are both laughably bad (32% Hogaak Vine = lulz) and relatively isolated. Did Hogaak have an outrageous debut at this single Challenge? Absolutely, and it would be misleading to deny that. But it's just as misleading to oversell the results of a single Challenge. For one, it's a single datapoint on the debut weekend of a deck. There are so many factors that both artificially increase (e.g. players don't know how to play against it, SB decisions, hype, etc.) and decrease (card availability, untuned decks, pilots don't know tricks with the deck, etc.) prevalence in such a single datapoint. Given these limitations, it's hard to draw a meaningful conclusion. Second, it's not even a major paper event. It's "just" an MTGO Challenge, which we have routinely (and rightfully) questioned as representative of the metagame on any given weekend. Significant paper results or repeat online results are needed to really figure out where the deck stands in the metagame.
Re: ban decisions
Wizards has issued one emergency ban in over a decade (Felidar), which was more of an oversight acknowledgement than a response to a pattern of troubling results. There is no way we see emergency ban action based on a single Challenge. Wizards has repeatedly shown, despite the blaring ban mania in online communities, that they will wait for sustained results before acting on a ban.
I encourage community members to stick to the proven method of ban analysis: waiting for more data and taking a long, conservative view of the format. Recognize the metagame's ability to adapt and acknowledge that most decks have more weaknesses than we think. This method has produced consistent predictions of changes and no changes for years now. Even if Hogaak Vine is ultimately bannable, that does not mean we throw out the proven, conservative method and revert to a ban mania mindframe. If you throw enough darts at a board, eventually you'll get a bullseye even if your technique is horrible. That doesn't mean we look at the bullseye and say "NAILED IT" with all of our bad technique throws. We stick with the technique that works.
There is one excepction, which is when the deck is SO obviously broken that no matter the adjustment of the meta, the meta stays broken.
Because the meta will adjusto to a minimum of 4 SB slots dedicated to this deck, up to 8. Is this healthy? Is this what wizards wants from this format? A SB lotto format?
I just lost miserably 0-2 after putting a t2 cage in the BF. I lost on t3. Yes, the **** was lucky to draw 1 of his 2 claims, but I was lucky too to have drawn it.
Let's play the lotto, guys! You lose g1 and then g2 and g3 take your lotto chances!
Don't care if they ban the new guy, the altar, the bridge, or the looting, but something has to go before the next announcement because if not, me and many more are not touching modern until then.
Good luck then playing mirrors all day, you ***** who actually like to play that broken deck.
I hope you realize that playing a playset of whatever gy hate maindeck is not a sigh of a healthy format, for me and for wizards.
And even then, what's the probability of drawing 1 out of the 4 maindeck hate cards before they already comboed off and have 10 zombie tokens? Like 50%?
What are you gonna do against half the other meta with 4 useless maindeck cards?
This is just nonsense. Look, I'll leave it here. Won't post anymore until the 8th, see you then.
I have only feelt like this two times in modern history: now and during eldrazi winter.
I guess Chapin is delusional too.
http://www.starcitygames.com/articles/38744_Building-Decks-Before-Bridge-From-Below-Is-Banned.html
I was wrong about GDS that one time (the one mana tutor). About storm, I was calling for a ban because they would 90% of the time combo on turn3 if you didn't kill their t2 electromancer, which at the time was in the watch list, I'm sure of that. But you also don't remember all the bans I was right about, which were many.
Seeing we have 2 big paper touirnaments before the 8th, I'll be enthusiastically waiting for those results.
Half the bans wizards makes don't even outright kill the deck, just downgrade them from tier0 to tier1-3.
I think, for wizards, it's intended to have removal maindeck, but having graveyard have both in the md and the sb is not what wizards intends for a healthy format.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C717Dodx63M
So funny how the only games he loses are because of incredible amounts of graveyard hate. I wonder what that amount of MD GY hate does against tron and humans tho.
PD: magic aids is the best.
Dredge is a deck that is almost past the line, it aaaaalmost needs a nerf, but since people started maindecking graveyard hate, lots of gy hate on the SB too, etc, etc, dredge has been kept at bay by the metagame, without TOO MUCH warping.
But oh boy this new bridge deck, this is just a way different level. This is ban hammmer level (ops sorry for using the B word).
The only deck I think can compete against this new deck is humans thanks to meddling mage naming hogaak.
Here we have a hogaak or whatever the new guy is called player. Nice one mate. Enjoy your 75% winrate while it lasts.
There is one excepction, which is when the deck is SO obviously broken that no matter the adjustment of the meta, the meta stays broken.
Because the meta will adjusto to a minimum of 4 SB slots dedicated to this deck, up to 8. Is this healthy? Is this what wizards wants from this format? A SB lotto format?
I just lost miserably 0-2 after putting a t2 cage in the BF. I lost on t3. Yes, the **** was lucky to draw 1 of his 2 claims, but I was lucky too to have drawn it.
Let's play the lotto, guys! You lose g1 and then g2 and g3 take your lotto chances!
Bets for emergency ban or for normal on the 8th ban?
My bet, knowing wizards, is they are going to wait to the 8th and will ban bridge from below.
Don't care if they ban the new guy, the altar, the bridge, or the looting, but something has to go before the next announcement because if not, me and many more are not touching modern until then.
Good luck then playing mirrors all day, you ***** who actually like to play that broken deck.