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  • posted a message on "Mill" was such a gross feel-bad game term choice
    The most important aspect for "mill" is that people use to call it that anyway, regardless of what the text on the card says.

    People use to say "mill X cards" for all of magics history.

    So calling it anything else is not helping anything.

    And "mill" is short and quite clear, explaining what it means is not completely intuitive as you need to know what "mill" actually means, but then its totally fine.

    I wondered for years why the text wasnt changed to mill , at some point they just caved in.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Zendikar Rising Leak Crawling Barrens
    Buy all Training Grounds you can get.

    Maybe they even reprint it in Zendikar, as it got fairly expensive.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [2XM] Isochron Scepter and Ash Barrens— Good Luck High Five previews
    Quote from Arctanis8 »

    The game is meant to be played. Collecting is a secondary part of the game. If players can’t purchase the cards, the game become worthless. Who would collect something that no one plays? The biggest problem with magic right now is people trying to invest in it like it’s the stock market, essentially destroying the game. You want the players to be able to purchase cards (proxies suck) so that they can play the game as intended. This idea that collectors drive the game is ridiculous.

    The way WotC wants you to buy cards is by packs.

    Packs get only more expensive right now, thats the opposite of want you want, Magic gets much more expensive with these "reprint" products, many times.
    Making "mythic" rare chase cards only made this problem worse.

    Many people that play the game on a regular basis just bought like 1 display each edition and that was it, they might or might not open expensive cards, doesnt matter, you trade for what you need, especially if you are going to play standard anyway.

    The problem is when people start with the game and dont play standard, they want to play with the expensive cards, the old cards, the ones that are collectors items.

    Nobody needs Dual lands, still people want them, so badly and guess what, that makes them even more expensive, simple economics, increased demand drives the prices higher.

    People buy a lot of singles, and the entire "worth" of cards is measured in the singles prices, but thats not how the product is sold by WotC, the 2ndary market will always drive to make a profit cracking packs. You dont open 100 displays to lose money, that doesnt make any sense, and people still buy singles and some people will invest in the game, as it is a collectable card game, thats the entire point of collecting it and reprints only hurt this aspect, if entire products are 100% reprints, whats the point of collecting them ? You already have them and only the original printing has any remote nostalgic value, all the reprints lack this value inherently.

    Buying into a Commander deck slowly, trading for every single card with a person, face to face, not buying singles online, you might KNOW a history for every single card in your deck from who and how you got it.
    Might have won a booster draft and opened that foil Liliana you always wanted, the card will have a major nostalgia value to you, probably never going to trade it away.

    THAT is what makes the game of magic so valuable and long lasting, people get invested in the game not just by its monetary value, but also emotional and by sheer history of a life time.

    Short cutting this experience and buying singles online completely robs yourself of that experience.

    If you just want to play with cards, absolutely nothing prevents you from making "good" proxy cards (that are basically real cards, just with "proxy" written on them). I would even recommend any new player to use proxy cards and then slowly trade for the real cards over time, its totally pointless to ask a new player to invest thousands of dollars into the game just to play some "casual" rounds with friends.
    If you have a reason to get the expensive real version, thats like buying a piece of art, as you appreciate it.

    Reprints undermine the entire collectable aspect of the game, and that is damaging the entire franchise.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [2XM] Isochron Scepter and Ash Barrens— Good Luck High Five previews
    The entire point of having standard around was that every person could start playing the game simply by investing in the current sets, they did not need any reprints at all, as you didnt need the cards for standard.

    Right now people dont play standard, so the entire system crumbles.

    People want old cards, expensive cards, they want "modern" and "legacy" cards, which is just completely stupid as a new player.

    Old formats should be for the people that either still have the cards from the time, or slowly buy into it.
    That worked way better to build a franchise, as it made players stick to the game.

    People slowly build their EDH / Commander decks, today people just want the cards "now" and not wait at all, and they want them cheap too.

    The funny part, the game still gets more expensive as WotC is abusing this mentality and at the same time devalues the actual cards.
    They fight that by making the product itself more expensive, which is fairly idiotic for the players.

    Back in the days of almost no reprints, a standard deck would cost you like 200-300 bucks , some decks even had almost only commons and uncommons, super cheap and competitive (UG madness one of the best examples, the deck was dirt cheap and performed for years and even allowed for upgrades into legacy and even vintage, same for tribal Goblins, the deck performed in standard, extended, legacy and also vintage).

    Reprints in that high quantity flood a market with cards and make the individual cards that are "not" reprinted even more expensive, as the entire value of a set always focuses in on the most expensive cards, instead of balancing out.

    WotC wants players to play as many formats as possible and is desperately trying that the formats do not have much of an overlap in what cards are competitive, so you need different cards for each format.

    Buying into the game as a newbie is actually really really cheap. You can buy a huge chunk of decks for just 100 bucks. There is no reason at all why a new player should buy into expensive cards in the first bunch of years at all, it will just burn that person out and they will quit the game just as fast as they thrown themselves into it.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on B & R Announcement 8/3 Major Shakeups
    I am really surprised anybody is playing the formats anymore.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Zendikar rising first look on July 25th
    Quote from Faruel »
    1. Well if Nahiri finds out that Nissa was the one letting them free in the first place... She helped to destroy them but well damage is done now. I don't know how Nahiri would react to that.

    Nahiri is raging and killing anything and everyone, that how she rolls. Leading Eldrazi to Innistrad is among the top evil you can commit to and she had no problems with that.

    2. We have the vampires (kind of Ulamogs creation) that aren't really natives to Zendikar. We can imaging some kind of tension with the Kor and Humans, here. And well the Eldrazi cult like Ayli.

    If Nissa does her job and with Nahiri around for utter vengeance on every living being, chances are the plane gets "cleansed".

    3. Maybe there isn't a big baddy this time. Just a planes that needs to heal and is creating new forms of life which we can witness.

    Unless we get a suprise Phyrexian Invasion that leads us directly to Return to Mirrodin ... wouldnt even be surprised to get some oil on the plane.

    4. We have Jace there, too. Maybe he try to settle things between Sorin and Nahiri or convince Nissa to join the Gatewatch again. Maybe he will support Nissa with some kind of problem in the plane that we don't know about yet.

    If Sorin and Nahiri get anywhere close to "peace" it would utterly undermine the catastrophic terror they brought upon each other.

    They are not really the forgiving type.

    Maybe Jace will erase the minds of all of them, including the entire population on the plane, make them forget and "restart" clean.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Possible Double Masters lawsuit?
    We got to a point where the chinese proxy fake cards have a BETTER quality than the actual real cards.

    Yea, thats just pathetic and sad.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [2XM] Isochron Scepter and Ash Barrens— Good Luck High Five previews
    Having expensive cards drop in price, thereby making them easier to come by, is a problem how...? If you want a collection of stuff to sit around with no function other than accumulating value, go buy some freaking gemstones or something.

    I wish they'd used the EMA art for Isochron Scepter, though. It looks much better than this one.

    Its a collectable TRADING card game.

    So it would make a lot of sense to print a card just 1 time and stretch the "reprint" time to a long time, otherwise your own product invalidates itself (basically the exact problem they had with Chronicles, printing all the cards to the ground).

    If you just want cards to play casually, nothing is stopping you from just using Proxy cards, value wise nothing can ever beat that.

    The only reason to buy the actual cards is to have the value associated with them, namely a collectable item and being able to play in sanctioned tournaments (which for almost any EDH/Commander is basically not a thing at all).


    Making cards cheaper by reprinting everything to the ground just makes the product worth less.

    And WotC "fixes" that problem by making the product itself more expensive, which ultimately defeats the entire point of reprinting cards to make them cheaper, as everything gets universally more expensive as a product, while at the same time the actual content of that products becomes less and less valuable as the sets themselves have no identity at all if the content is just reprinted everywhere.


    In general, if you want specific cards, you buy them as singles.
    Or you buy product and trade for it ; which can only work if the new product is remotely of interest to the people that have the old cards ; but if you just reprint the old cards, the entire trading aspect gets undermined (especially if the card has the same artwork and is in no way different at all).


    If at the very least (and we get there with the alternate art) cards would always have different artwork, then you could value specific artworks as a collectable item (and thats the case for super premium ones, which become the only option for any collectable value at all, as anything else is just worthless).

    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [2XM] Maelstrom Nexus and Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund— Gaby Spartz previews
    And speaking of charging, up until two days ago or so, Double Masters displays were starting at €233 on Cardmarket, and now they have suddenly jumped up hugely, to €270!!! Gaping

    It's like there were a few more good spoilers among all the chaff people are complaining about, and that alone made everyone decide "Oh, people will pay much more for this!"

    Vast majority of stores that would sell them did not order any, Corona and all.

    People didnt pre-order these , as the spoiler cards looked so terrible (and still do).

    If a big store puts in 100+ displays prices tank again, till then, tiny and mostly private people order a bunch to resell them.

    The true "whales" buy into VIP packs anyway.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [2XM] Luis Scott Vargas - Sword of the Meek and Thopter Foundry (the combo)
    They literally make all the good "Uncommons" (and rares that should be uncommon) simply Rare , because why exactly ?

    Its a reprint product that nobody in their right mind will ever DRAFT as its so expensive.


    This is just total nonsense at this point.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [2XM] Maelstrom Nexus and Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund— Gaby Spartz previews
    Quote from Obazervazi »

    You are allowed to dislike Wizards' business model, but "no bulk rares" isn't a solution. That would just mean vendors would charge even more for packs. Many good cards in this set would be disappointing if you opened them in a $30 pack. If you really hate the gambling aspect but don't want to buy singles, advocate for a living card game model. Just be aware that that means a lower budget for R&D, and a lower quality game.

    You can CHARGE whatever you want for the product.

    What matters is what people are actually willing to pay.

    Making a tremendously great product sells, if you can charge super high prices for something thats actually worth it, fine.

    Here we get a crap product and they STILL charge extra premium for it.

    Just hope you open anything of value, otherwise its a money grave thats especially deep.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [2XM) Numot the Nummy - Disciple of Bolas and High market
    Disciple should be an uncommon.

    Like many MANY other rares as well.


    Making these crap cards rare is just insulting to anybody, its not cool at all.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [2XM] GoHa.ru - Sword of Feast and famine and Fencing Ace
    The oldschool judge version of the sword is by far the best.

    Would never change it for any of these strictly inferior versions.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Fatal Push and it's a Box Topper
    Quote from Obazervazi »

    Dude, do you know what would happen if Wizards guaranteed a minimum of $16 of value in every pack, with the potential of several hundred? You wouldn't be able to find packs for $16 anywhere. Remember how hard it was to find $7 Modern Masters 2013 packs? If it weren't for the bulk rares, Double Masters packs could be $20, $25, $30.

    You don't get to gamble and then complain that you lost. If you don't want to lose, just buy singles. I know I will. But you've got to pay the $80 if you want (for example) a Force of Will, you can't expect it in a $16 pack and then whine when it's a Boon Reflection and a Tuktuk, the Explorer.

    The actual solution is to sell this product for regular booster prices.

    Instead, people pay premium and they deserve to get shaved for that.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [2XM] Desmyeolada - Ion Storm and Shamanic Revelation
    Prime examples of cards that should be uncommon at this point and especially in a set expensive like this.

    The rarity they follow is just completely messed up and misses the entire point of what rarity is supposed to be (as this has nothing to do with balancing "limited" , as this entire product is not about limited at all).
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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