@ Sorryguy: that seems like a plausible answer, maybe the only possible one. It does satisfy the oddness of saying that vanilla fits any mod. The only thing that would make this explanation more solid is if someone could confirm that loran and xyre were tight or at least that loran approved of xyre as a mod.
Loran posted this in Xyre's resignation thread here. They were friendly.
Cubus, the problem here is that H'Roth can not be roleblocked where you can. At this point, I doubt you will ever even be able to use your kill and seeing as you are one shot you may as well be considered vanilla.
@ SG: Why would a claimed vanilla (you) want everyone else's flavor so badly? For that matter... If you were vanilla, why would Loran have posted this:
Alright, I talked to loran and I know why he posted what he did. It would seem that when the game started Xyre was a moderator here. Recently, however, he resigned and left the same. This then makes Xyre a vanilla on the site, hence making him match the flavor. Really, it was just loran bringing in things outside the game (namely his forum politics) into the game.
Now, as for vigging Cubus, I think it is fine. If Cubus is not scum then H'Roth is right there for us. Either way, I think using it on Cubus is the correct play. I thought about it and still think that letting them go to tomorrow could work, but with the presence of a roleblocker this plan does not work. So I support vigging Cubus.
AoK: It's not like we are going to lynch you, we know you are confirmed. Stop worrying about it.
I also think that I have a pretty good case but I will wait until Cubus' death to present it.
...And now things have began to go backwards. After a Night 1 that saw two deaths, things had been improving. Each the past nights had revealed only one death, last night there was once again two and yet you can all feel that there are still killers among you. The first body discovered is that of Matjoeman, who you quickly surmise to be Lostaway Sayid Hassan Jarrah. He is found in the center of camp with one bullet through his head.
While at first you begin your meeting assuming he was the only death, a headcount soon reveals that one among you is missing. Surveying the camp, you conclude that it is Treigit who is missing. When her room is searched you discover an all too familiar sight. There, with two bullets in her head, lies a dead Lostaway Claire Littleton.
And so for the fourth daybreak you begin your search anew. Day 4, Numbers, begins now.
Anyway, I really do think that ZDS is scummy and more likely scum than CPE. I am also rather confused, though, so I don't know. If someone really cares about this game, what would be great is a summary of every night with all claimed actions for those nights. That would help my evaluation process quite a bit. Once actions are in, I will vote for ZDS unless something changes.
Pod didn't say the role was unique. He said the role was unique to this game. That means that there's only one player with this certain role in the game, as opposed to the vanilla townie role. That's about all.
I don't really buy this. If you read the quote and read what it was responding too, it doesn't seem like that is what Pod was trying to say. But at the same time, this is what I had about replacements. Cubus really has no way of knowing why Pod would do what he was doing and can't really be held accountable for it. I also give Cubus credit for claiming a role besides vanilla. That said, I am still a little bothered by this situation. I'm just not sure which does more for the town, having H'Roth-Gar vig Cubus today or having Cubus vig H'Roth-Gar tonight. The fact that they are at different times makes this difficult, otherwise we could just have them aim at each other. With the missing scum kill from the night, things are even more difficult. The problem I have with making H'Roth-Gar target whomever we want, is that we get no confirmation on him, only the person he vigs. This is because with a missing scum kill, it is possible that there will be a daykill that H'Roth-Gar can claim was him vigging. I don't know, I think we are far enough from LyoL (lynch or lose) that we may be able to delay the vig problem until tomorrow. Anyone have thoughts?
Now before I do any analysis on the roles as some of you have so graciously jumped to doing, could everyone explain their flavor as I asked. I have reason for asking.
At day 2, after ferro had claimed Inventor Pod had this to say:
In particular, pod claimed to have a role that's unique to this game, like the "Nai, Inspired Townie" role. Cubus replaced pod, and claimed 1-shot earlier today. That's hardly a unique role.
Espescially interesting is that cubus would claim Vig, since H-Roth was top of most people's scum-list... and the one-shot claim didn't make H-Roth look any better. So yeah, I think cubus false-claimed vig to try and set H'Roth up for the mislynch.
This is a very good catch, indeed. I will await Cubus' response without saying anything more but as far as I am concerned that is going to be pretty difficult to wiggle out of. I think the correct play here might be to have H'Roth go ahead and vig Cubus. The upside here should be obvious enough.
@SG Yeah, 5 total vanillas (we've already lynched one) seems a bit high for a 13 person game.
I missed that you claimed vanilla too, I guess with that post right before I left I forgot. Well then, I am now confident that at least one of you three is not vanilla. Just to be clear that would mean:
urzassedatives
Xyre
Stax
Kraj
Hydrokinesis
Are all vanilla. Seeing as all of the other revealed and confirmed roles fit with their flavor:
Nai, Inspired Townie - Well, I do not know what this role is, so I am unsure how it fits Nai. This is the exception.
fadeblue, Mafia Godfather - As the moderator of the mafia forum is its godfather, it only makes sense.
Feyd_Ruin, Townie Cop - As a techie he has access to the site's logs, he would be able to investigate people.
rancored_elf, Townie Miller - RE is the Rumor Mill, being a miller makes perfect sense, although we also know that 'seds wasn't so this is a little strange from a flavor sense. At the same time, 'seds is an admin and doesn't just work in the Rumor Mill so I guess it could be justified.
Dr. Tom, Townie Doctor - Well, his name is doctor.
This considered, if everyone, but the vanillas specifically could explain any flavor they were given, that would be great.
Once this is completed, I will go ahead and tell you how I feel about the vanilla claims.
With almost half of your original group gone, you decide at the beginning of the third day that some time and consideration is called for. You begin by going around the room, with everyone giving everyone else hard looks. Soon you notice that Supermouse's personality begins to change. He begins to act a lot like Alx2 and with that a mass claim of sorts is deemed necessary. But once all is told, Alx2 is not to be believed. With the night threatening from above, a majority of the town pull out their nooses and leave Alx2, Lostaway Katherine “Kate” Austen hanging from a palm tree.
Night 3, Collision, begins now and ends Tuesday, June 19, at 12:00am PST.
Alright, I'm back (it was great if anyone is curious). At any rate, I do not know why we claimed out of order to this degree but that is fine. It does save time, I guess. At any rate, I am Xyre, Vanilla Townie. I PMed Loran on Wednesday and asked him on AIM if he subbed anything, but he didn't respond. So if he did, just be aware that I have no foreknowledge of it and that I didn't catch it while reading. I only want to make this clear because I haven't really seen vanillas sub much if played correctly, and it wouldn't surprise me if loran misplayed it. He has in the past.
Now to address the number of vanillas in this game. Four seems pretty high to me. I am willing to accept one of Archy and wamyc is trying to hide a role they consider powerful, but with the cop and doctor dead, and the vig(s?) out, I see no harm in any role coming out.
Now, I am going to consider all the roles present and attempt to see where HKKID is coming from. If we consider all of the roles we have to be true, we may be able to create a win. But I don't know how I feel about two vigs, I guess we could have them both fire, but I don't know. I need to consider it some more. I promise more thoughts later today.
I am fine with both a acronym claim or a straight claim, either way works for me. I will do one once we work it out.
I will be away until Friday night/Saturday morning. I am going to be LA for two days. I will try and check this thread sometime before I leave tomorrow morning and claim at that time if we can reach consensus by then so I don't hold things up.
Also H'Roth-Gar has been on but hasn't posted in a week. Can we get a prod? Or are you still done with that?
A majority of them are by Kevin Shields, yeah. The rest are more or less attempts to sound like My Bloody Valentine, with some successes. There are some exceptions that don't work great, though, notably Phoenix's Too Young.
I might just stop by.
Nope. I can if people are interested.
And not all that unsurprising.
Vote: ZDS, Vote: ZDS, Vote: ZDS. I have felt you were scummy for over two days now. It is time for you to die.
Loran posted this in Xyre's resignation thread here. They were friendly.
Cubus, the problem here is that H'Roth can not be roleblocked where you can. At this point, I doubt you will ever even be able to use your kill and seeing as you are one shot you may as well be considered vanilla.
Alright, I talked to loran and I know why he posted what he did. It would seem that when the game started Xyre was a moderator here. Recently, however, he resigned and left the same. This then makes Xyre a vanilla on the site, hence making him match the flavor. Really, it was just loran bringing in things outside the game (namely his forum politics) into the game.
Now, as for vigging Cubus, I think it is fine. If Cubus is not scum then H'Roth is right there for us. Either way, I think using it on Cubus is the correct play. I thought about it and still think that letting them go to tomorrow could work, but with the presence of a roleblocker this plan does not work. So I support vigging Cubus.
AoK: It's not like we are going to lynch you, we know you are confirmed. Stop worrying about it.
I also think that I have a pretty good case but I will wait until Cubus' death to present it.
While at first you begin your meeting assuming he was the only death, a headcount soon reveals that one among you is missing. Surveying the camp, you conclude that it is Treigit who is missing. When her room is searched you discover an all too familiar sight. There, with two bullets in her head, lies a dead Lostaway Claire Littleton.
And so for the fourth daybreak you begin your search anew. Day 4, Numbers, begins now.
Not true. Only in this game.
Anyway, I really do think that ZDS is scummy and more likely scum than CPE. I am also rather confused, though, so I don't know. If someone really cares about this game, what would be great is a summary of every night with all claimed actions for those nights. That would help my evaluation process quite a bit. Once actions are in, I will vote for ZDS unless something changes.
I don't really buy this. If you read the quote and read what it was responding too, it doesn't seem like that is what Pod was trying to say. But at the same time, this is what I had about replacements. Cubus really has no way of knowing why Pod would do what he was doing and can't really be held accountable for it. I also give Cubus credit for claiming a role besides vanilla. That said, I am still a little bothered by this situation. I'm just not sure which does more for the town, having H'Roth-Gar vig Cubus today or having Cubus vig H'Roth-Gar tonight. The fact that they are at different times makes this difficult, otherwise we could just have them aim at each other. With the missing scum kill from the night, things are even more difficult. The problem I have with making H'Roth-Gar target whomever we want, is that we get no confirmation on him, only the person he vigs. This is because with a missing scum kill, it is possible that there will be a daykill that H'Roth-Gar can claim was him vigging. I don't know, I think we are far enough from LyoL (lynch or lose) that we may be able to delay the vig problem until tomorrow. Anyone have thoughts?
Now before I do any analysis on the roles as some of you have so graciously jumped to doing, could everyone explain their flavor as I asked. I have reason for asking.
This is a very good catch, indeed. I will await Cubus' response without saying anything more but as far as I am concerned that is going to be pretty difficult to wiggle out of. I think the correct play here might be to have H'Roth go ahead and vig Cubus. The upside here should be obvious enough.
I missed that you claimed vanilla too, I guess with that post right before I left I forgot. Well then, I am now confident that at least one of you three is not vanilla. Just to be clear that would mean:
urzassedatives
Xyre
Stax
Kraj
Hydrokinesis
Are all vanilla. Seeing as all of the other revealed and confirmed roles fit with their flavor:
Nai, Inspired Townie - Well, I do not know what this role is, so I am unsure how it fits Nai. This is the exception.
fadeblue, Mafia Godfather - As the moderator of the mafia forum is its godfather, it only makes sense.
Feyd_Ruin, Townie Cop - As a techie he has access to the site's logs, he would be able to investigate people.
rancored_elf, Townie Miller - RE is the Rumor Mill, being a miller makes perfect sense, although we also know that 'seds wasn't so this is a little strange from a flavor sense. At the same time, 'seds is an admin and doesn't just work in the Rumor Mill so I guess it could be justified.
Dr. Tom, Townie Doctor - Well, his name is doctor.
This considered, if everyone, but the vanillas specifically could explain any flavor they were given, that would be great.
Once this is completed, I will go ahead and tell you how I feel about the vanilla claims.
4 Alx2 - Kops, Ged, HAWKEYE7, Treigit
2 Ged - Dagger, Alx2
1 Dagger - Matjoeman
With almost half of your original group gone, you decide at the beginning of the third day that some time and consideration is called for. You begin by going around the room, with everyone giving everyone else hard looks. Soon you notice that Supermouse's personality begins to change. He begins to act a lot like Alx2 and with that a mass claim of sorts is deemed necessary. But once all is told, Alx2 is not to be believed. With the night threatening from above, a majority of the town pull out their nooses and leave Alx2, Lostaway Katherine “Kate” Austen hanging from a palm tree.
Night 3, Collision, begins now and ends Tuesday, June 19, at 12:00am PST.
Now to address the number of vanillas in this game. Four seems pretty high to me. I am willing to accept one of Archy and wamyc is trying to hide a role they consider powerful, but with the cop and doctor dead, and the vig(s?) out, I see no harm in any role coming out.
Now, I am going to consider all the roles present and attempt to see where HKKID is coming from. If we consider all of the roles we have to be true, we may be able to create a win. But I don't know how I feel about two vigs, I guess we could have them both fire, but I don't know. I need to consider it some more. I promise more thoughts later today.
I will be away until Friday night/Saturday morning. I am going to be LA for two days. I will try and check this thread sometime before I leave tomorrow morning and claim at that time if we can reach consensus by then so I don't hold things up.
Also H'Roth-Gar has been on but hasn't posted in a week. Can we get a prod? Or are you still done with that?
That's what I get for waiting until the very last moment.
Congrats Chimp!
Ninth Edition
Ravnica: City of Guilds
Guildpact
Dissension
Coldsnap
Time Spiral
Planar Chaos
Future Sight
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