[quote from="scarbo »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/765782-overwatch-mafia-day-2-numbani?comment=1026"]I've started to think the jailer is scum possibly.
i never said anything i intended to be construed to mean 'i should be voting DV,' because i believe DV's neutral claim. that's clear, yes?
i really think it's a red herring for you to bring up the timing of my providing this information when i've been so inactive for most of the game so far.
i didn't imply DV "could" be town. i implied he isn't scum for lying, i.e. he is neutral as he claimed. why are you struggling to grasp this?
i haven't missed the jailer discussion, i just chose to refrain from entering it until i got a decent feel for the day.
i already prefaced stating that lying does not necessarily imply scum. see my question earlier to rodemy. so DV stating that he was jailed does not implicate him. i never believed his jailed story, but i didn't think he was scum for it.
DV, look buddy. i'm on your side here. but i have information that gives me incredibly strong reason to believe you lied about being jailed. OK sure, it's still within the realm of possibility, but i highly doubt it. i still don't think your lie comes from a scum mindset.
now, what do we do with this? i don't know. you have two choices from my pov: retract your claim or stick to it. personally, i don't give a damn. if you retract, that could prove problematic for you. if you stick to your guns, that could prove problematic for me, but it's a risk i'm willing to take for... reasons. SO! i say we just take this limited information i've provided, carry on, and see who/if anyone gets jailed going forward.
just iso'd zomg and reached the following conclusions:
292: This lengthy of a response to Rhand's suspicion doesn't strike me as something zomg would spend the effort on. Conclusion: town!Rhand.
421: Doesn't buy DV's neutral claim. This is wifom, but I don't think it would be grounds to bus. Conclusion: neutral!DV.
442: Pretty lengthy response to rod. As with Rhand, town!Rodemy.
449: This is an interesting post where zomg presents us with a false premise, i.e. his town flip. The conclusions he presents would therefore be things he wanted us to believe at that moment, before his flip. So he does some fearmongering with town tunneling on Rhand and Rodemy. Reinforce above conclusions. The "mayyybe" chain lynching cantrip is noteworthy but not conclusive.
The following interactions are almost exclusively with Rod and Rhand.
548: Spends a lot of effort on DV. Reinforce DV conclusion.
I'm not sure what to make of the multiple scum team thing. I mean scum shouldn't know that, should they? Plus it's a normal.
With all that let's look at his t/s list in 257.
Vaimes: is a huge red flag, "feels town right now." That just reeks of a hedged read. Plus he had no substantial interactions with Vaimes. Conclusion: scum!Vaimes.
Hunt: Hedged yet again but from the opposite direction. He wants to plant the idea that he could be scum, riling town suspicion. Conclusion: town!Hunt.
Cantrip: It sounds like he sees cantrip as a threat and doesn't want to set him off with a scum read. Conclusion: town!cantrip.
Shadow: null
Kitty: null
Red: This came across as making an excuse for his play. Possibly scum!Red.
Atog: null, but possibly coaching?
Ghosting: pretty weak reasons for a scum read. Probably town!Ghosting.
Rhand: yet again, a far reach. Interesting that he chose to bring Atog into it.
Vaimes, you state Rod and DV are toDay's competing wagons then promptly go for Anak? Also, how can you possibly claim to have the scum team locked into that little list when I've barely provided any content so far?
Mete0r, how do Ophidia's interactions with Rod give you any information about Rod's alignment when you presumably don't know Ophidia's?
Rod, I've lied plenty times as town. Why else is DV scum? Do you think he's lying about being jailed?
Rhand, you had a scum read on me earlier toDay you preferred not to explain then cleared me in 953 because of something zomg said. What's up with that?
Like, zomg is probably scum, but i don't think he is lying about the name.. which means d_v is?
God, i just want this flip.
Also, scarbo called out zomg on his role.. and then unvoted? Didn't reply to my question (unwarrented *****ty attitude; why he voted cantrip)
And also unvoted cantrip, even though he thinks he is scum.. but no revote on zomg (the guy he said was not inherently scummy or impressive) even though he called bs on his role.
@scarbo: do you believe zomg or d_v? why?
I didn't vote zomg because I wasn't sure how close he was to being lynched
that really changes this entire discussion.
Unvote
Vote: D_V
oh? why's that?
i never said anything i intended to be construed to mean 'i should be voting DV,' because i believe DV's neutral claim. that's clear, yes?
i really think it's a red herring for you to bring up the timing of my providing this information when i've been so inactive for most of the game so far.
i didn't imply DV "could" be town. i implied he isn't scum for lying, i.e. he is neutral as he claimed. why are you struggling to grasp this?
i haven't missed the jailer discussion, i just chose to refrain from entering it until i got a decent feel for the day.
DV, look buddy. i'm on your side here. but i have information that gives me incredibly strong reason to believe you lied about being jailed. OK sure, it's still within the realm of possibility, but i highly doubt it. i still don't think your lie comes from a scum mindset.
now, what do we do with this? i don't know. you have two choices from my pov: retract your claim or stick to it. personally, i don't give a damn. if you retract, that could prove problematic for you. if you stick to your guns, that could prove problematic for me, but it's a risk i'm willing to take for... reasons. SO! i say we just take this limited information i've provided, carry on, and see who/if anyone gets jailed going forward.
292: This lengthy of a response to Rhand's suspicion doesn't strike me as something zomg would spend the effort on. Conclusion: town!Rhand.
421: Doesn't buy DV's neutral claim. This is wifom, but I don't think it would be grounds to bus. Conclusion: neutral!DV.
442: Pretty lengthy response to rod. As with Rhand, town!Rodemy.
449: This is an interesting post where zomg presents us with a false premise, i.e. his town flip. The conclusions he presents would therefore be things he wanted us to believe at that moment, before his flip. So he does some fearmongering with town tunneling on Rhand and Rodemy. Reinforce above conclusions. The "mayyybe" chain lynching cantrip is noteworthy but not conclusive.
The following interactions are almost exclusively with Rod and Rhand.
548: Spends a lot of effort on DV. Reinforce DV conclusion.
I'm not sure what to make of the multiple scum team thing. I mean scum shouldn't know that, should they? Plus it's a normal.
With all that let's look at his t/s list in 257.
Vaimes: is a huge red flag, "feels town right now." That just reeks of a hedged read. Plus he had no substantial interactions with Vaimes. Conclusion: scum!Vaimes.
Hunt: Hedged yet again but from the opposite direction. He wants to plant the idea that he could be scum, riling town suspicion. Conclusion: town!Hunt.
Cantrip: It sounds like he sees cantrip as a threat and doesn't want to set him off with a scum read. Conclusion: town!cantrip.
Shadow: null
Kitty: null
Red: This came across as making an excuse for his play. Possibly scum!Red.
Atog: null, but possibly coaching?
Ghosting: pretty weak reasons for a scum read. Probably town!Ghosting.
Rhand: yet again, a far reach. Interesting that he chose to bring Atog into it.
Vote: Vaimes
Mete0r, how do Ophidia's interactions with Rod give you any information about Rod's alignment when you presumably don't know Ophidia's?
Rod, I've lied plenty times as town. Why else is DV scum? Do you think he's lying about being jailed?
Rhand, you had a scum read on me earlier toDay you preferred not to explain then cleared me in 953 because of something zomg said. What's up with that?
I didn't vote zomg because I wasn't sure how close he was to being lynched
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I'm not going to spend this game answering to you. Get used to it.