Maybe you should actually read my post. Especially the edit there.
Posts don't count on the Grr thread. Hannes started it a long time ago as a sort of 'mod clan' thread. I believe posts counted a while ago. Then someone gave YOUR argument, and it doesn't count for post+ anymore.
I'm talking about the personal effort in, I don't know, figuring out why a user was suspended and unsuspending them when we realize there was a problem. Or finding that the website is down and spending two hours fixing it, posting minor updates along the way. Or organizing special events for the members like, say, April Fools, or Forum Awards.
We don't get paid. We don't get anything for our contributions to this site. You're going to deny us getting posts for our work?
Edit; Damn that ninja edit. Mine at least said it was there:
The 'grr' thread IS the spam thread.
Well I can't exactly verify this, can I? It has been some time since I gained this knowledge of the spam thread, so maybe it has changed. If you aren't lying, then kudos to you I guess
I can't remember, but I believe the 'grrr' thread doesn't actually contribute to post count. I'd have to check on that, though.
As for why the posts count in the mod cave... Does our planning, conversation, debate, and continued work for this site not count as 'worthwhile' posting? If I have to spend an hour talking about how to handle a problem, do I not deserve some post+ for that? If we're trying to figure out why X has happened due to a technical glitch, don't we deserve posts for that?
Deserve post+? That's an odd way to put it.
I mean, if posts count in the mod cave then you shouldn't have that spam thread. That's all I'm saying. You are saying that post counts should reflect some measure of effort, while at the same time the moderators have their own personal spam thread in which they can up their postcount without any meaningful effort. Such hypocrisy seems to undermine your argument, wouldn't you say?
Post counts... Don't matter, really. It's just a statement of how much you've posted. That's all. Kinda like your odometer on a car.
However, some people put importance in them. There are some who think those that post more should be respected more. We also have a reward or two for reaching certain milestones. The custom title at 1,000 is the big one, of course.
Basically, the post count has become a special thing in forums, and has been for a while. There's no actual point to it, but people seem to think that post counts are important. So, because of this, we, as the moderators, make sure that only posts that have some effort count. We have post counts off in some areas for the same reason that certain areas have harsher restrictions on spamming than others: There's different requirements there.
For instance, Quick Reply Games? It's usually a one-word post that takes very little effort that you do on the fly. You're not going to get a spam infraction for it, but you're not going to get a post+ for it either. It just didn't require much thought to do.
Hey, this is on topic so I assume I won't get a warning for asking this (but you never know with jdski :uhh:) - why do posts count in the mod cave?
I mean, could you explain the philosophy behind that?
I know that there is (or was) a thread in the moderator only sub-forum whose only purpose was to allow moderators to spam up to custom (or any post count number, really), and I was wondering how that is justified.
Ok, I'll be specific. Humour Games subforum should count towards posts. They aren't one word responses, and are sometimes even witty...and some of them such as the Caption Contest are even MTG related.
Nuts to all the other subforums. Posts should count in Humour Games.
You are seriously mistaken if you think that anything witty has ever been posted in the Humour Games subforum of MtGSalvation, the number 2 website for popular children's card game Magic: The Gathering. Anytime you thought you saw something witty in that humourless cesspit, it was actually just a typo.
How will I gain the acceptance of a bunch of people who are too old to be playing card games but still do if I'm not allowed to hyper-inflate my post count?
you could post in the card creation forums
don't worry though, you've already gained my acceptance
Oh man, if posts counted everywhere I'd have like 6,000+ posts
but seriously though, why do you actually care about the post counts? The administration/moderation of this site has always been illogical and arbitrary, and always will be. Yes: the policies concerning which posts count and which posts don't are frequently nonsensical. Luckily, though, post counts themselves are meaningless and so we shouldn't make threads about it.
We are looking over the list, and will likely roll something out by tomorrow.
Quite a few contentious words will likely be removed.
However, we are also going to add a line or two to the rules to make it clear that just because a word isn't censored, it doesn't mean you have carte blanche to use it.
Context is key.
I can at least assume we will be allowing that delicious form of broth to be discussed without censorship.
But like I said, context is key.
Seds appears in the thread and suddenly we remember what it looks like when a competent administrator is posting
However, it would appear that 'tomorrow' is now behind us..
Number one: You agreed to not use profanity upon signing up to this site. The little blurb that you have to click "I Agree" to when you register your username includes that:
"Forum Rules
Registration to this forum is free! We do insist that you abide by the rules and policies detailed below. *snip*
By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."
You ask why? Because DEMS DA RULES, and you agreed to them.
Number Two, most forum software, when Admins are setting them up tell the Admin that if they want to have a website that includes under 18's that they must include censorship of this kind to protect themselves, the makers of the forum software, and the delicate little minds of the young forum users from such language so parents/anyone else that cares don't get offended. They're just PYA (Protecting their Asses)
How strict the censorship is is up to Moderators/Admins. Whether they are proper words out of context is irrelevant.
It seems to me that you are suggesting that a user who sees a possible error in moderator or administration shouldn't say anything, just because we clicked yes to a user agreement?
Suggesting changes isn't taboo. Suggesting that words on the censor list are flawed or inconsistant is a completely legitimate thing for a user to do.
That's a ****-and-bull story, if I ever heard one.
Firstly, "dick" is far, far nastier than "member". Your claim that it is less so calls this entire decision making process into question. Secondly, "dick" is always an insult. You can't direct it at another person without being insulting. Its only non-insulting use is as a self-deprecatory usage.
****, on the other hand, has nonlewd uses.
You need to rethink this whole approach.
I think the problem with this discussion might stem from the fact that Nai has never, ever, admitted the moderation staff made an error in anything. Makes it kind of hard to argue that the censor should be changed.
It's actually a level of severity in many cases. In English, several words can be synonyms but have a different connotation entirely.
Girl and woman, for instance. Both refer to a female, but the former is usually a younger female while the latter is usually an adult.
Then you get to, well, the words in question.
In order of perceived 'dirtyness': *****, dick, member, ****. The first is almost purely clinical. The second is amusing, but you don't ever really take it seriously. The third's a euphemism, almost as dry as the second. The latter, however, is considered quite dirty.
Kind of like the difference between, oh, I don't know, ass and the f-bomb. Different level of severity, which is why one is censored and the other isn't.
As for the member in question, it probably wasn't 'allowed' as much as it was unnoticed. We don't see everything. If someone had reported it, something probably would have been done.
yeah I don't know what backwards country you come from, but there is no way '****' is dirtier that 'dick'. Is ******** conserod? I'd assume so. What about cockface?
edit: I mean, maybe you haven't heard, but people suck dick, they don't suck ****.
edit2: although, you are called a ********er, not a dicksucker, so I don't know for sure.
So... way to take a dump on all the newer members of the forum.
I guess I wasn't around when you got "nicest member," but all of your posts seem really high and mighty. You seem to think you can be a jerk to people just because you know more about magic and have 5000+ posts.
Goodbye.
well to be completely fair, the newer members of the forum are kind of... weak... compared to the class of '05.
I think it has to do with the way magic is now marketted towards a more yu-gioh crowd, it naturally results in a similar affect on the userbase of mtgsalvation.
Maxing and relaxing.
edit: it is for chilling; a place where the cool kinds hang
Well I can't exactly verify this, can I? It has been some time since I gained this knowledge of the spam thread, so maybe it has changed. If you aren't lying, then kudos to you I guess
Deserve post+? That's an odd way to put it.
I mean, if posts count in the mod cave then you shouldn't have that spam thread. That's all I'm saying. You are saying that post counts should reflect some measure of effort, while at the same time the moderators have their own personal spam thread in which they can up their postcount without any meaningful effort. Such hypocrisy seems to undermine your argument, wouldn't you say?
edit: I'm not talking about the GRR thread.
Hey, this is on topic so I assume I won't get a warning for asking this (but you never know with jdski :uhh:) - why do posts count in the mod cave?
I mean, could you explain the philosophy behind that?
I know that there is (or was) a thread in the moderator only sub-forum whose only purpose was to allow moderators to spam up to custom (or any post count number, really), and I was wondering how that is justified.
You are seriously mistaken if you think that anything witty has ever been posted in the Humour Games subforum of MtGSalvation, the number 2 website for popular children's card game Magic: The Gathering. Anytime you thought you saw something witty in that humourless cesspit, it was actually just a typo.
you could post in the card creation forums
don't worry though, you've already gained my acceptance
but seriously though, why do you actually care about the post counts? The administration/moderation of this site has always been illogical and arbitrary, and always will be. Yes: the policies concerning which posts count and which posts don't are frequently nonsensical. Luckily, though, post counts themselves are meaningless and so we shouldn't make threads about it.
edit: okay nice job their jdski that's some top quality work
Seds appears in the thread and suddenly we remember what it looks like when a competent administrator is posting
However, it would appear that 'tomorrow' is now behind us..
It seems to me that you are suggesting that a user who sees a possible error in moderator or administration shouldn't say anything, just because we clicked yes to a user agreement?
Suggesting changes isn't taboo. Suggesting that words on the censor list are flawed or inconsistant is a completely legitimate thing for a user to do.
I think the problem with this discussion might stem from the fact that Nai has never, ever, admitted the moderation staff made an error in anything. Makes it kind of hard to argue that the censor should be changed.
yeah I don't know what backwards country you come from, but there is no way '****' is dirtier that 'dick'. Is ******** conserod? I'd assume so. What about cockface?
edit: I mean, maybe you haven't heard, but people suck dick, they don't suck ****.
edit2: although, you are called a ********er, not a dicksucker, so I don't know for sure.
If so, then the moderators definately have made a mistake somewhere. Or the admins. Or the techies. Whoever is responsible.
have you seen his custom title? some 'savage comedy value' right there
well to be completely fair, the newer members of the forum are kind of... weak... compared to the class of '05.
I think it has to do with the way magic is now marketted towards a more yu-gioh crowd, it naturally results in a similar affect on the userbase of mtgsalvation.
I'm sure you're an exception though