Behold the Beyond 5BB
Sorcery (Mythic)
Discard your hand. Search your library for three cards and put those cards into your hand. Then shuffle your library. There is power in the abyss, in blackness more profound than the darkest dreams.
Heheh, that flavour text doesn't even make any sense. I guess it will trick some illiterate people into thinking it's cool and deep though. Blackness more profound than darkness, oooooh, that's interesting stuff right there.
But yeah, you almost always would rather have the worthless rare Diabolic Revelation than this. Doesn't require you to discard your hand, and you get to pick what X is.
Good thing it doesn't cost like cards like Darksteel Ingot..... because with this you can rush it out second turn and start using it third turn! If you build your entire deck around it, of course. Coldsteel Heart sucked but at least you didn't have to satisfy conditions in your graveyard for it to work.
Doesn't particularly stimulate me as a player or designer. Meh!
Red has always been specifically kept from having a 2/1 without drawbacks for ... so this is a major policy shift. Firedrinker Satyr and dozens of other cards just got obsoleted and a lot of new design space just opened up.
Part of the power of Vindicate is that it's cheap, allowing you to play it 2nd or 3rd turn, and there was always a target for it.
This card is cheap too, and you'll be able to play it 2nd or 3rd turn, but will there always be a target for it? (nonland)
Vindicate is the better card by far.
anybody that wants cheap land destruction never played against cheap land destruction formats or is the kind of person that likes to crush players
Maybe it's YOU who didn't play in such formats?
LD used to be a valid deck type, and now it isn't. Back in the day, yeah, sometimes you lost to LD. Sometimes you also lost to discard, or removal, or counterspells..... it's always annoying to lose. But LD was just a strategy you had to be able to defeat. Nowadays it's not viable, so players don't have to worry about it.
Maybe we should also get rid of cards like Millstone, because it's still possible to lose that way? We wouldn't want anyone to be upset they lost a game because they were forced to draw from an empty library!
$10 a pack, okay. Sounds like they will sell quickly even at this high price.
My question is: What makes the cardboard rectangles and ink patterns in this pack worth three times as much as the cardboard rectangles and ink patterns in most other packs?
Is it because the ink patterns on these cardboard rectangles are similar to those on certain very valuable 20-year-old cards?
Why can't all packs be that way? Then they could ALL sell for $10 instead of $3.
Oh, there's a limit to how many of these ink patterns they can print?
Why is that?
Ohhh, because the secondary market would completely collapse and collectors would lose faith in the value of the game, if too many of these certain very valuable 20-year-old cards are printed?
A bit like how we can't just print a trillion dollars at the central bank and have prosperity for all? That would just cause hyperinflation and currency collapse?
What a nightmare for the secondary market. A massive win for Card Corp. Printing old power, we all knew it would happen eventually. Right before (or as) the secondary market collapses.
Nothing goes forever, not even awesome card games.
Wizards is "taking profits" as they say in the investing world. It's what investors do when they sense rough times coming.
Yummy! Printing cash!
It must be tough to resist temptation when you have a legal printing press for $50 cards. Cha ching!
The choices feel very influenced by the secondary market.
Even a 2R Instant that does 2 damage to each creature would be powerful at that cost. Devoid and the Eldrazi bonus are just extra icing, really.
Undercosted burn spell at Mythic, super awesome! ;P
Most valued card in the set at the moment.
It means colorless and can only be payed by colorless mana like Sol Ring and Wastes
Okay, thanks.
And maybe a question for the staff - maybe could there be a way for others to find this information out? It's not on the spoiler, there's no stickied thread anymore explaining the new set mechanics, and Wizards hasn't updated gatherer yet. I imagine others are in the same boat I was, since the cards on the spoiler don't explain what the symbol means or does.
I've stayed out of the Rumor Mill until now because I wanted to view the whole spoiler all at once, for the first time.
It came out yesterday, and I'm looking at it now, but I have no idea what the new mana symbol does. It's not explained anywhere on the cards, and I don't see it anywhere here in the Rumor Mill either. What's the secret behind the diamond-shaped mana symbol?
What's "player evaluation"? Feeling like a 3/3 vanilla for 3, with a minimal upside, isn't a problem to me. In fact, that's what I was hoping for. I wouldn't want a large bonus on a card with already pushed stats - you get hated out of this forum pretty quickly when you suggest stuff like that! So yeah, small upside, perfect.
I also like Gleng's suggestion, the additional 3s are nice.
Cathodion was designed when the sudden mana boost was a drawback. When mana burn was exiled from the rules, Cathodion became the biggest creature costing without a drawback. In fact, I think Endless One is the only other 3/3 for without a drawback.
Gaining 1 life isn't very powerful or exciting, that is true, but I don't think a 3/3 for 3 needs a powerful boost.
Gotta be careful designing cards that would be automatically included in almost any deck of that colour. Same goes for 1cc mana accelerators.
The card in question has been designed 15 or 20 times that I've noticed over the years in this forum, and I've seen far less than 10% of the cards suggested. Each time it comes up, it's deemed broken.
In recent years, it's starting to look a bit less broken. But still way too good to be printed. There's a reason it hasn't seen print yet, and that's not because Wizards hasn't thought of it
Really not impressed that this is forced. Look how many people you're losing - again! What a nightmare this website has become. A complete animal farm.
Heheh, that flavour text doesn't even make any sense. I guess it will trick some illiterate people into thinking it's cool and deep though. Blackness more profound than darkness, oooooh, that's interesting stuff right there.
But yeah, you almost always would rather have the worthless rare Diabolic Revelation than this. Doesn't require you to discard your hand, and you get to pick what X is.
Coldsteel Heart sucked but at least you didn't have to satisfy conditions in your graveyard for it to work.
Doesn't particularly stimulate me as a player or designer. Meh!
This card is cheap too, and you'll be able to play it 2nd or 3rd turn, but will there always be a target for it? (nonland)
Vindicate is the better card by far.
Maybe it's YOU who didn't play in such formats?
LD used to be a valid deck type, and now it isn't. Back in the day, yeah, sometimes you lost to LD. Sometimes you also lost to discard, or removal, or counterspells..... it's always annoying to lose. But LD was just a strategy you had to be able to defeat. Nowadays it's not viable, so players don't have to worry about it.
Maybe we should also get rid of cards like Millstone, because it's still possible to lose that way? We wouldn't want anyone to be upset they lost a game because they were forced to draw from an empty library!
Other than that, it's fine. Just kinda plain and meh.
My question is: What makes the cardboard rectangles and ink patterns in this pack worth three times as much as the cardboard rectangles and ink patterns in most other packs?
Is it because the ink patterns on these cardboard rectangles are similar to those on certain very valuable 20-year-old cards?
Why can't all packs be that way? Then they could ALL sell for $10 instead of $3.
Oh, there's a limit to how many of these ink patterns they can print?
Why is that?
Ohhh, because the secondary market would completely collapse and collectors would lose faith in the value of the game, if too many of these certain very valuable 20-year-old cards are printed?
A bit like how we can't just print a trillion dollars at the central bank and have prosperity for all? That would just cause hyperinflation and currency collapse?
What a nightmare for the secondary market. A massive win for Card Corp. Printing old power, we all knew it would happen eventually. Right before (or as) the secondary market collapses.
Nothing goes forever, not even awesome card games.
Wizards is "taking profits" as they say in the investing world. It's what investors do when they sense rough times coming.
It must be tough to resist temptation when you have a legal printing press for $50 cards. Cha ching!
The choices feel very influenced by the secondary market.
Undercosted burn spell at Mythic, super awesome! ;P
Most valued card in the set at the moment.
Wild.
So how do mana costs like "
Okay, thanks.
And maybe a question for the staff - maybe could there be a way for others to find this information out? It's not on the spoiler, there's no stickied thread anymore explaining the new set mechanics, and Wizards hasn't updated gatherer yet. I imagine others are in the same boat I was, since the cards on the spoiler don't explain what the symbol means or does.
It came out yesterday, and I'm looking at it now, but I have no idea what the new mana symbol does. It's not explained anywhere on the cards, and I don't see it anywhere here in the Rumor Mill either. What's the secret behind the diamond-shaped mana symbol?
I also like Gleng's suggestion, the additional 3s are nice.
Gaining 1 life isn't very powerful or exciting, that is true, but I don't think a 3/3 for 3 needs a powerful boost.
Artifact Creature - Gnome (U)
Sacrifice Chrome Gnome: Gain 1 life.
3/3
I figure it's a cross between Bottle Gnomes and Endless One.
The card in question has been designed 15 or 20 times that I've noticed over the years in this forum, and I've seen far less than 10% of the cards suggested. Each time it comes up, it's deemed broken.
In recent years, it's starting to look a bit less broken. But still way too good to be printed. There's a reason it hasn't seen print yet, and that's not because Wizards hasn't thought of it