Are you guys aware that we only have one more day to deadline? It looks like the rules say there is no lynch unless we reach 5 votes. Not sure if you're all aware that No Lynch Day 2 is bad for town
Historical Highway 101 runs from San Diego right through Washington state, taking you from your Tijuana visit all the way up the coast. It's easy to drop in on places like the Redwoods & Crater Lake, & the drive is amazing. Obviously not as developed or speedy as I-5, but if you're about the trip, not the destination, this is a kind road I've driven many times & hope to again.
Lot of campsites along the way, although it's been 10 years since I used any, so I can't vouch for conditions or price.
EBWODP: Upon rereading your post I have to ask, what is a 'full barn' then?
A full barn. I wasn't specific about what I liked in my original post, but I did say "for providing evidence" and I later said what I was talking about by evidence.
This is some serious weaseling here, KK. Since you've not brought it up, I'm left to conclude you don't agree with the part about Teia's shift on Iso (which was the main thing I referenced when I voted Void, that you subsequently handwaved as Void being terrible town).
If hans flips scum, scrutinize Jay/Void/Wheat/rianalnn. I doubt he'd be foolish enough to list both his buddies in there, but I'd be surprised if that list was all town, and picking from a small pool is more likely to find scum than picking from a larger pool.
Now this is the gem that had me questioning Teia as we went into Night. Teia was all over Wheaties yesterDay. But, prior going into Night, Teia gives herself an out for Wheaties without much of an explanation. Granted the information I am using is implied here, but since Teia posted that if hansanator flips scum, then those 4 should be scrutinized. Then if hansanator flips Town, then those should not be scrutinized is what I get.
Bold emphasis is mine. He's totally misconstruing what Teia said and even calls it an implication, suggesting that it's not at all concrete and most importantly acknowledging such.
When BV breaks down why the Teia's-shift-on-Wheat part of Void's post is garbage, you ignore it. Why?
So while Void picks at Teia "waffling" & you giving that the thumbs up, BV posts this;
I also noticed a post from Wheat_Grinder which made me :eyebrow:. He's an uncounterclaimed vig with actual claimed results to support himself, and that's enough for him to be in my town list at the moment; however, this REALLY reads as a scum slip to me.
I'm going to try and make a post in this game toNight since I've sort of been ignoring it in favor of my other games.
bolding mine; you're not using that convention correctly – this would be a reference to the Game's Night 2. toDay = this game Day. toNight = next Game Night.
I've lost momentum x_x
Re-reading Day 1.
whoops. I'm so used to saying toDay and toNight in the context of mafia.
I had meant to post last night but got sidetracked. Today I'm (supposed to be) studying for a final so it'll have to be tomorrow for content.
It's entirely possible that he's scum and hasn't been counterclaimed due to a lack of town vig (see CCMVII for such a game). I know that's reaching, but I want to throw it out there because this post really makes me uncomfortable.
Anyway, I'm ready to vote Void, but I want to see him claim first.
Which is what I say fence-sitting actually looks like – "he's in my town list at the moment but this REALLY reads like a scum slip" – if ever there was a post leaving a door open, this is it. Yet you don't even comment.
I need to re-read to be sure but in CCMVI, I remember Void's townie play being lurky & distracting – basically what you just described as his scum meta.
I'm trying to break this down but there is a lot of talking past eachother & disingenuous language, & I've been at it for two hours already. Feels like losing the forest for the trees, so I am going to leave off for the moment. I would like Teia to address your 450 post, as well.
And I'd appreciate it if you read what I wrote, despite any mistakes of tone I may have made from adrenalin caused by the argument. Everything I've intended to say is there if you'll just read it.
There were two kills overnight, which means that one was likely a vig shot. I don't know what to make of the fact that Wheat claimed vig and wasn't killed (as one would think the scum would go after an un-counterclaimed PR), and it's hard to speculate without slipping into WIFOM. As it stands, the most straightforward answer is that Wheat's claim was genuine and that he's actually town.
On one hand Teia says Wheat is probably town because of the night action, but she backhandedly throws some distrust his way, saying if he was really a town PR he'd be NK'd by now. But not so outright as to earn any attention, she tries to subtly hint at it to get other people wondering and maybe even start a wagon.
I don't agree with Void's read. I see Teia's thought process being 'this is suspicious but leads into madness; the simple answer is Wheat is town'. Saying that is casting suspicion on Wheat is stretching; Wheat had plenty of suspicion based on his Day 1 play. There is something more here that I am not going to go into, as I'd like to see someone else pick up on it, but it strikes me as a point to Teia's towniness.
It's all very wordy and I haven't gotten the mental focus to slog through them yet, at least not enough to understand them completely. (Except for rian's. I didn't understand his point at all in his latest post, but tried rereading a couple of times because it was short. It didn't help.)
Teia's word choice is there. "I was mistaken". There is no doubt in those words. Teia KNEW she was mistaken. That is what my case is built up on.
My words were "apparently I was mistaken" (emphasis added), implying far less certainty than you're ascribing to me. You're deliberately manipulating the facts to fit a desired conclusion rather than deriving your conclusion from the facts.
Void even types out "apparently I was mistaken" twice in this post, & then tries to make a case of Teia feeling out Iso past that statement. That right there shows she wasn't solid in her read, & I don't see how anyone in their right mind expects another player (much less one with a handful of completed games) to read Iso with confidence anyway.
Void is dancing around trying to shoehorn Teia's posts into what he wants to see.
There is more I would like to respond to but I am not actually here right now
@Digi – you need to have the smiley prepared, I don't know that ER has the chops.
Lot of campsites along the way, although it's been 10 years since I used any, so I can't vouch for conditions or price.
This is some serious weaseling here, KK. Since you've not brought it up, I'm left to conclude you don't agree with the part about Teia's shift on Iso (which was the main thing I referenced when I voted Void, that you subsequently handwaved as Void being terrible town).
When BV breaks down why the Teia's-shift-on-Wheat part of Void's post is garbage, you ignore it. Why?
So while Void picks at Teia "waffling" & you giving that the thumbs up, BV posts this;
Which is what I say fence-sitting actually looks like – "he's in my town list at the moment but this REALLY reads like a scum slip" – if ever there was a post leaving a door open, this is it. Yet you don't even comment.
I need to re-read to be sure but in CCMVI, I remember Void's townie play being lurky & distracting – basically what you just described as his scum meta.
Please also maek post.
I have two questions for you:
What is Void's scum meta?
Why would Teia ignore/pretend to forget evidence that supports her conclusion?
I would appreciate it if you would set it out straightfowardly, without all the LOLOLOL antagonism & quote wall.
What can I clarify?
Can you boil down Void's case in your own words please?