What about Akroma's Memorial? It overlaps a lot of your general's abilities, but just about every other creature in your lists looks like they'd like the memorial backing them up.
What are your plans with the Goblin Welder in this deck? Normally when I run the welder I try to run a few artifacts to take advantage (mainly Memory Jar). In your list I don't see where the welder would truly make much of a difference. I wonder if Trading Post might be better in his place. Of course maybe you also like messing with people, and the welder is absolutely awesome with messing with people. Just curious...
Have you ever had any success with Viashino Heretic? I've tried to run him a few times over the years, and he never seems to work out. Always seems to get removed right after I play him.
At any rate, looks like a fun deck. I too have been waiting for a "lightning angel" look-a-like general. This looks like its as close to what we are gonna get for an extended time.
My question is this. When my woodfall primus comes into play I target Karmic Justice. Karmic then in turn targets my sac engine. If I respond to the triggered ability, and sac my primus, will Karmic Justice also trigger again, or is it already in the graveyard?
I guess I'm wondering if I destroy Karmic Justice, does it go to the graveyard first then the activated ability gets put on the stack, or does the activated ability go on the stack, and when that gets resolved Karmic Justice goes to the graveyard?
I guess I'm playing with the theft and sacrifice themes. I will probably replace Beseech the Queen with a demonic tutor when I get another one. Balefire Dragon probably seems a little out of place but I've been dreaming about connecting Basilisk Collar to it. Once I live that dream, I'll probably take the dragon out. I'm really open to any suggestions for improving. Thanks for your help.
A few suggestions that I play in my Vish Kal deck.
Phyrexian Reclamation. The 2 life cost doesn't seem like it will effect you at all. But it is a nice recursion engine.
Krovikan horror, gives you both a sac engine (if you need one) and it will return itself from your hand if it dies (although setup is required for this)
So i had some questions about mana dumps. What are some good ones for white or black? I would really appreciate an article on this topic.
Thanks and good job
My favorite white mana dumpsSacred Mesa, Luminarch Ascension (Luminarch may draw a big of hate though:D) and maybe Mobilization... Given these are all token generators...
I'd suggest Forgotten Ancient. Lets you replenish the counters on Ulasht. I'd also second the recommendation of the deathtouch equipment, and Godo + Hoarding Dragon to go find it.
I also like Vigor in this deck. That will replenish +1 counters as well.
I would also look to add more general purpose creature cards in your deck. Woodfall Primus, Terastodon, Acidic Slime, and Hoard-Smelter Dragon are great cards to help deal with troubling permanents. Plus these are all cards you can tutor for.
Cards I don't like in this deck...
Nacatl War-Pride, Mitotic Slime, Essence Warden, Emblem of the Warmind, Rally the Horde
Nacatl and mitotic slime seem like they rely on the deck to much to make good, other then being good by themselves. Essence warden's life gain is not being put to use. If you need lifegain I'd replace with basilisk collar. Emblem of the warmind seems to be very easily to disrupt, I'd replace with Anger, if you feel more haste is needed. Rally the Horde seems like a card you dream about going off, but never really does. More likely your gonna loose several cards you care about, and then your tokens are gonna get wrathed away.
I would replace either Blightsteel or Emperion with Protean Hulk, which can get a couple dorks or save Thrun if he gets tucked.
I would also advise against the Exoskeleton as it makes Thrun vulnerable to spot removal.
I love the Protean Hulk, however he is banned from EDH. If he wasn't I'd be running him!
Here is the deck. This deck is only going to be played on mtgo, so I am limited to those cards. I do not have all of the Swords, just Light and Shadow (that is why I'm only playing that one). Anyone have any suggestions on improving this deck? Cards I was thinking about adding were Asceticism, Greater Good, or Grafted Exoskeleton. I'm not sure what to take out or if they even needed. I was also thinking about , however I'm not sure I'm sold.
I used to have Skaarg but I never activated it, I actually had more guys without trample then than I do now. But on the other hand I had a great deal of trample enablers then and the colorless doesn't really hurt this deck so maybe.
I find myself activating Miren a good deal but I tap it for mana too much for Diamond Valley I think. I would have to drop a non-land card for Diamond Valley and I don't need the dedicated sac outlet that badly.
I actually got to play with Brontotherium for the first time last night and since I have only drawn it once I may give it a few more games to prove itself. Since having removal on a 5/3 trampler seems pretty good for the deck.
I may actually swap Weatherseed treefolk for the Cloak instead of the totem. This deck really wants to get to 5 mana and the totem gets me there pretty well, but I do want the evasion and shroud is nice.
I don't have Oblivion Stone right now but do you think Disk is a reasonable substitute for O-stone?
I do have Genesis in the deck I actually missed it on my type up of the deck. Its actually on the bubble right now as I don't find myself activating it that often.
I would like Spearbreaker a lot more if Stonebrow started at 5 power but since I should be swinging most of the time he is worth considering.
Dunno, the disk is OK, but the waiting for a turn can be brutal. Usually when I need to clear the table I need to do so now. All is dust would be fine too, if you have that one.
Genesis is one of those cards that can many times seem like hes not worth it during some games, due to other mana sinks you may have. However, if I'm playing green in EDH I'm playing genesis. It is one of the best cards you can have when the table is at a standstill. It will usually push you over the edge. When I have cut genesis in the past I always regretted it later.
EDIT: I agree with Uber, Fauna shaman + Brawn / Anger / Genesis seems like a nice package
A couple people have suggested Homura so I guess I will try him out. I have a few sac outlets and 4 to the face every turn is a reason to block him. I haven't ever been a huge fan of Whispersilk Cloak but I guess I should give it a try. Any ideas regarding what to take out for those?
I'd probably switch up Brontotherium with Homura.
And switch up Weatherseed Totem with the Cloak.
I would consider replacing the Flametongue Kavu with something like Oblivion Stone. I'd imagine if your gonna tutor for creature removal you always going to tutor for Duplicant. I am never unhappy to see oblivion stone in my hand. The 4 damage from the kavu just seems underwhelming. Every deck needs a board sweeper. If not O-Stone then maybe Starstorm.
Is there a reason why you are not running Eye of Ugin? Gives you a way (expensive though) to tutor you eldrazi creatures.
Did you consider enlightened tutor and Mistveil Plains? Seems like they both would go good with Sunforger.
What about Akroma's Memorial? It overlaps a lot of your general's abilities, but just about every other creature in your lists looks like they'd like the memorial backing them up.
What are your plans with the Goblin Welder in this deck? Normally when I run the welder I try to run a few artifacts to take advantage (mainly Memory Jar). In your list I don't see where the welder would truly make much of a difference. I wonder if Trading Post might be better in his place. Of course maybe you also like messing with people, and the welder is absolutely awesome with messing with people. Just curious...
Have you ever had any success with Viashino Heretic? I've tried to run him a few times over the years, and he never seems to work out. Always seems to get removed right after I play him.
At any rate, looks like a fun deck. I too have been waiting for a "lightning angel" look-a-like general. This looks like its as close to what we are gonna get for an extended time.
Memory Jar Awesome draw, and works great with Goblin Welder
Zealous Conscripts Combos with Kiki, and is just a great card
Love Stalking Yeti... Anytime one can add a yeti to their deck, should be a law that they have to.
I have Melira, Sylvok Outcast + Sac Engine of some sort in play, and I played a Woodfall Primus.
My question is this. When my woodfall primus comes into play I target Karmic Justice. Karmic then in turn targets my sac engine. If I respond to the triggered ability, and sac my primus, will Karmic Justice also trigger again, or is it already in the graveyard?
I guess I'm wondering if I destroy Karmic Justice, does it go to the graveyard first then the activated ability gets put on the stack, or does the activated ability go on the stack, and when that gets resolved Karmic Justice goes to the graveyard?
Thanks much for your help
Also, Increasing Devotion seems like a nice fit.
Like the deck, good luck.
1x Olivia Voldaren
Creatures - 25
1x Bloodghast
1x Bloodgift Demon
1x Bloodline Keeper
1x Butcher of Malakir
1x Grave Titan
1x Graveborn Muse
1x Krovikan horror
1x Nether Traitor
1x Puppeteer Clique
1x Reassembling Skeleton
1x Rune-Scarred Demon
1x Viscera Seer
1x Anger
1x Balefire Dragon
1x Conquering Manticore
1x Godo, Bandit Warlord
1x Hoarding Dragon
1x Inferno Titan
1x Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
1x Siege-Gang Commander
1x Squee, Goblin Nabob
1x Duplicant
1x Pilgrim's Eye
1x Solemn Simulacrum
1x Deathbringer Thoctar
1x Attrition
1x Bloodcheif Ascension
1x Braid of Fire
1x Goblin Bombardement
1x Gravepact
1x Mind Slash
1x Phyrexian Arena
1x Phyrexian Reclamation
1x Visious Shadows
Sorcery - 10
1x Beacon of Unrest
1x Beseech the Queen
1x Buried Alive
1x Decree of Pain
1x Diabolic Tutor
1x Increasing Ambition
1x Insurrection
1x Praetor's Grasp
1x Promise of Power
1x Sever the Bloodline
Instants - 6
1x Shattering Pulse
1x Grab the Reins
1x Blind with Anger
1x Act of Aggression
1x Word of Seizing
1x Wrecking ball
1x Baskilisk Collar
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Skullclamp
1x Darksteel plate
1x Ashnod's Altar
1x Dreamstone Hedron
1x Helm of Possession
1x Mimic Vat
1x Mind Stone
1x Sol Ring
1x Oblivion Stone
Land - 38
1x Bojuka Bog
1x High Market
1x Phyrexian Tower
1x Kher Keep
34x assorted lands
I guess I'm playing with the theft and sacrifice themes. I will probably replace Beseech the Queen with a demonic tutor when I get another one. Balefire Dragon probably seems a little out of place but I've been dreaming about connecting Basilisk Collar to it. Once I live that dream, I'll probably take the dragon out. I'm really open to any suggestions for improving. Thanks for your help.
Phyrexian Reclamation. The 2 life cost doesn't seem like it will effect you at all. But it is a nice recursion engine.
Krovikan horror, gives you both a sac engine (if you need one) and it will return itself from your hand if it dies (although setup is required for this)
Geth, Lord of the Vault , When I kill stuff I like to reanimate it.
Curious on why you don't run Grave Pact or Martyr's Bond? Do you run into a lot of enchantment hate in your group?
My favorite white mana dumpsSacred Mesa, Luminarch Ascension (Luminarch may draw a big of hate though:D) and maybe Mobilization... Given these are all token generators...
For black I like Hecatomb (a pet card that I love playing in monoblack with tokens), Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief, Nezumi Graverobber, Phyrexian Reclamation, Withered Wretch, and Geth, Lord of the Vault
There are probably others that I'm forgetting...
I also like Vigor in this deck. That will replenish +1 counters as well.
Vigor + Crater Hellion or Scourge of Kher Ridges + Tooth and Nail = fun times.
I also like Defense of the Heart for a Tooth and Nail backup
I would also look to add more general purpose creature cards in your deck. Woodfall Primus, Terastodon, Acidic Slime, and Hoard-Smelter Dragon are great cards to help deal with troubling permanents. Plus these are all cards you can tutor for.
Cards I don't like in this deck...
Nacatl War-Pride, Mitotic Slime, Essence Warden, Emblem of the Warmind, Rally the Horde
Nacatl and mitotic slime seem like they rely on the deck to much to make good, other then being good by themselves. Essence warden's life gain is not being put to use. If you need lifegain I'd replace with basilisk collar. Emblem of the warmind seems to be very easily to disrupt, I'd replace with Anger, if you feel more haste is needed. Rally the Horde seems like a card you dream about going off, but never really does. More likely your gonna loose several cards you care about, and then your tokens are gonna get wrathed away.
Good luck with your deck!
I love the Protean Hulk, however he is banned from EDH. If he wasn't I'd be running him!
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
Creatures
1 Acidic Slime
1 Ant Queen
1 Artisan of Kozilek
1 Avenger of Zendikar
1 Cloudthresher
1 Deadwood Treefolk
1 Eternal Witness
1 Fauna Shaman
1 Fierce Empath
1 Genesis
1 Indrik Stomphowler
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
1 Primeval Titan
1 Seedborn Muse
1 Seedguide Ash
1 Silklash Spider
1 Spearbreaker Behemoth
1 Terastodon
1 Vigor
1 Wickerbough Elder
1 Wood Elves
1 Woodfall Primus
1 Yavimaya Dryad
1 Blightsteel Collusus
1 Duplicant
1 Platinum Emperion
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Steel Hellkite
1 Wurmcoil Engine
Spells
1 Chord of Calling
1 Desert Twister
1 Explosive Vegetation
1 Genesis Wave
1 Hunting WIlds
1 Primal Command
1 Tooth and Nail
1 Cultivate
1 Kodama's Reach
Enchantments
1 Defense of the Heart
1 Lurking Predators
1 Mana Reflection
1 Night Soil
Auras
1 Bear Umbra
1 Eldrazi Conscription
Artifacts
1 Akroma's Memorial
1 Extraplanar Lense
1 Gauntlet of Power
1 Mimic Vat
1 Mind's Eye
1 Oblivion Stone
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
1 Argentum Armor
1 Darksteel Plate
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Loxodon Warhammer
1 Nim Deathmantle
1 Skullclamp
1 Strata Scythe
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Whispersilk Cloak
Lands
1 Scrying Sheets
1 Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
1 Arena
1 Mystifying Maze
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Temple of the False God
1 Mosswort Bridge
1 Miren, the Moaning Well
1 Diamond Valley
29 Snow Forests
Here is the deck. This deck is only going to be played on mtgo, so I am limited to those cards. I do not have all of the Swords, just Light and Shadow (that is why I'm only playing that one). Anyone have any suggestions on improving this deck? Cards I was thinking about adding were Asceticism, Greater Good, or Grafted Exoskeleton. I'm not sure what to take out or if they even needed. I was also thinking about , however I'm not sure I'm sold.
Thanks for your help.
Dunno, the disk is OK, but the waiting for a turn can be brutal. Usually when I need to clear the table I need to do so now. All is dust would be fine too, if you have that one.
Genesis is one of those cards that can many times seem like hes not worth it during some games, due to other mana sinks you may have. However, if I'm playing green in EDH I'm playing genesis. It is one of the best cards you can have when the table is at a standstill. It will usually push you over the edge. When I have cut genesis in the past I always regretted it later.
EDIT: I agree with Uber, Fauna shaman + Brawn / Anger / Genesis seems like a nice package
I'd probably switch up Brontotherium with Homura.
And switch up Weatherseed Totem with the Cloak.
I would consider replacing the Flametongue Kavu with something like Oblivion Stone. I'd imagine if your gonna tutor for creature removal you always going to tutor for Duplicant. I am never unhappy to see oblivion stone in my hand. The 4 damage from the kavu just seems underwhelming. Every deck needs a board sweeper. If not O-Stone then maybe Starstorm.
Also, why no Genesis. That seems like a good fit.
I'd also add in Diamond Valley like Donald suggested above. Its actually pretty cheap in mtgo, and nice sac outlet.
EDIT: One more suggestion... Spearbreaker Behemoth really would like to play too. Especially with all the fat you got