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Joban8 posted a message on The Legacy Price Discussion ThreadPosted in: Market Street CaféQuote from drakeavril »So i'm looking at the RL duals, especially for blue, they are crazy high...especially Underground Sea and Volcanic Island. Will prices ever drop or should I just accept they will just keep increasing forever?
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crimhead posted a message on The Legacy Price Discussion ThreadPosted in: Market Street CaféQuote from sealteamfive »I'm curious as what ya'll believe are the most versatile duals in terms of flexibility for future deck building? I currently have x3 Scrubland, x3 Badlands, x1 Plateau, x1 Bayou, x1 Underground Sea, & x1 Tropical Island. I had also planned on trying to complete the set of Bayou, so I could play Elves, but then I saw the price of Gaea's Cradle and quickly abandoned that plan. So right now I'm just trying to lay down some sort of mana foundation that I can build on in the future. I really appreciate any thoughts or suggestions; thanks, folks!
If I were you I would pick one deck you really like, and get that manabase. Your secondary decks will be relegated to mostly decks w/o RL lands (Burn, Fish, D&T, Manaless Dredge, Omnitell, Oops, etc). You have a lot of traders - so try to turn your mish-mash dual land collection into something actually playable:
- Trade into 4x City Of Traitors. This opens you up to Eldrazi, Moon Stompy, MUD, etc. Some Eldrazi lists can get away with just 2 or 3 (especially Big Eldrazi) if for some reason you can't get all 4.
- Trade into 4x Cradle and a second Bayou. This builds only Elves, but that's a fascinating deck with many deep lines of play. Ideally you would want a Taiga for splashing purposes. You might also want a Savannah and Trop for more thorough options, but these are not really necessary right now.
- You can go for the Green midrange package. If you can get the right combination of Savannahs, Bayous, and Taigas you can build Maverick, Nic Fit, Jund, etc. A single Badlands and Scrubland opens that up to Aggro Loam (but Moxen might be a problem). EDIT - 2 or 3 Bayous will also let you play Depths combo.
- (mulitcoloured) Blue decks are trickier. For most Midrange or Tempo decks, you will need multiples of Trop, Volc, and probably Seas as well. 3-4 Tundras + ideally a Volc opens the door to Miracles (and possible Stoneblade). 4x Volc lets you play U/R Prowess (Delver). 4x Trop is all you need for Infect. 2 Seas, or 1 Sea plus a Trop, lets you play Death's Shadow.
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Weebo posted a message on Unlimited Black Lotus - What is the condition?SP at best. Whitening on the edges on the back means it's definitely not NM. It's a very clean card, the standard for NM is just very high.Posted in: Market Street Café -
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idSurge posted a message on History of Benalia and Fall of the Thran imagesPosted in: The Rumor MillQuote from Ashiok »History of Benalia is mythic? Not really feeling the mythic aspect of the card.
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Cythare posted a message on History of Benalia and Fall of the Thran imagesThese make me appreciate the vertical orientation so much more than Phyrexian Scriptures did.Posted in: The Rumor Mill -
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orlouge82 posted a message on Dominaria Frame, Template, and Rules Changes + Duel Decks: Elves vs. InventorsLove the new Temple art!Posted in: The Rumor Mill -
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draftguy2 posted a message on Now that we know Masters 25, what's safe (for now)?Anything on the reserve list. Everything else is always at risk.Posted in: Market Street Café -
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Weebo posted a message on Can you help me Identify if these Tundra are real? I can't tell at all (video light test available)Can you post hi res scans? Pictures like the ones you've provided aren't going to rule out anything but the worst fakes and I can't watch the light test video now.Posted in: Market Street Café - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
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1) TCGp has prices for the cards that are actually selling. I feel like that's an important distinction - if the cards aren't selling, it doesn't matter what price you put because nobody will buy them.
2) This is the tricky one. The market is "people who want to play the card in EDH/casual, and want a 'real' card but don't want to shell out for the black-border version". I don't think that you're going to get any collectors biting at this - collectors will buy a whole set, or maybe even just one deck, but piecing together a 75 card-by-card? Too much time. So, circling back, eBay is probably your best bet. Post your stuff for 5-10% less than the best current price, and it should eventually sell. I say eventually because these are not too rare, while the people who want one are.
3) It's not a phase, and prices will increase. But only some of them. These are basically extra reserve list cards, so stuff like Cradle is solid - it's not going to get a reprint that will tank the price of the original, thus putting it within reach of more people and reducing GB demand. Look at that Forest that they disingenuously cite as the "true weekly winner". I don't know where Stocks gets their pricing (median listing?), but that's CLEARLY a case of "someone listed some at a lower price and then pulled them", causing the arbitrary line to dip. It's not actually selling at $4. Same with the Randy B bio card. As to why they'd do that - well, it got your attention, didn't it?
4) Thanks, but our numbers are actually up lately. Moving on, no, making people aware of GB cards isn't really going to cause any market swings. It may convince one or two more people to buy GB rather than have a ripped index card saying "Cradle" on it, but there really aren't that many GB cards rotting in binders.
TL;DR - Cradle, Rector, V Stronghold, Survival, Replenish, G Monolith, maybe Yawg Will, and very maybe City are the GB cards that I'd say have legs. The rest are oddities that are mostly overpriced due to zero availability, but there's also zero demand.
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Elspeth went Naya Aggro. She was a complete house when she dropped.
Liliana showed up in a Golgari shell. Whenever she came down she won the game on her own - no other zombies required.
Daretti went Boros Aggro and ended up winning the whole thing. The pilot didn't even splash for Daretti.
Nicol Bolas went Izzet splashing black, and never got cast.
Ral went full Izzet and never got cast.
I ended up with Teferi, and wow, what a trap. I tried to splash him and a couple big sphinxes into my Selesnya deck, and I never drew both Islands and blue cards in the same game, so I often ended up just color-screwed or with dead cards in my hand.
Tezzeret tried to make Dimir work, but with so much competition it just didn't. He 0-3ed.
Vraska went Golgari, and managed to come down once and win a game.
So I would say that fully half of the planeswalkers were, at best, neutral includes. Tezzeret and Teferi were stones around our necks - I would definitely have done better to play pure Selesnya instead of trying to go Bant. There is NO support for UG nor for WU, but my other option was Izzet-Boros and Teferi isn't what that deck wants to be doing. The Tezzeret player was lamenting the lack of artifacts the whole time. Bolas could maybe have gotten there, and the winner didn't even play his planeswalker. Ral and Vraska are of course in the set, and Elspeth and Lili are monocolored which was a huge flexibility.
Having played it, I can now confidently declare this to be a garbage draft format.
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Basically, I want to try to poke holes in their "this is a good draft" supposition. If no holes appear, great. If holes appear, well, we'll know for next time.
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Sure - everyone has their price, and I'm sure that if, for example, City cracks a grand, I'd resign myself to never playing it and ship my copies. But when you say "literally no point paying a high price for them in the first place", you're discounting the reason that most of us picked them up in the first place - we want to sleeve them up and put them into a deck. I didn't get them to make a profit (although since I got my first copy out of a pack for $2.50, I'd say I'm doing all right). The people who're buying them for a profit are definitely offering them for sale - just at a much higher price.
You have touched upon one of the aspects of a price spike - people whose prices get met. When a card price rises, a number of people who have copies of the card will dig them out and post them for sale at a little under what the big guys are charging, to try to get in on that action. Sometimes there are enough people digging cards up that the price starts to go down again, as people compete to post the lowest price. But for cards like City of Traitors, old cards on the reserve list that are known quantities in Legacy, most people will shrug and say "Eh, I'm still using mine."
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Double-posting to indicate an update. There are now 13 sellers, asking anywhere from $12 to $20 (and that one guy asking $75) for the foil. The market price has not moved over $2, which indicates that nobody is actually buying the card at these inflated prices. This is phase II: regular people coming out of the woodwork and listing their copies to try to unload them while the price is inflated. Still nothing real about this "spike".
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Sounds like you've answered your own question. Buy the $60 of singles that you want, rather than paying $100 for a box and getting some, then trying to trade the rest into the singles that you actually want.
This assessment is true for pretty much every set ever, BTW. I buy boxes so that I can draft (I love limited). You can buy boxes as a MPS lottery ticket. You can buy boxes because cracking packs is fun. Don't ever buy boxes for value, or to chase certain singles.
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Some of the cards have already been reprinted with MPR art (see M25 Disenchant, for example).
Personally I don't like them. Game pieces should say what they do.
I think that going in on them is a bad idea. The good ones are already expensive, and the bad ones have no market.
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First: THANK YOU for the photoa! They make evaluation significantly easier.
Second: Mark Poole goes to GPs and conventions, and while he does charge $2 per signature, that's not really a game-changer. I'd value these like any other damaged Beta Counterspell (Market is $158, but there's only one for sale and the asking price is $250) and Island. Someone's bidding up a NM Counterspell to about $500 on eBay, but that's NM. The Island is probably closer to $15 - Market is $23, but there are multiple sellers offering HP, MP, and DMG copies of that exact Island (Island A, for the curious) for under $15 shipped.
Third: Point of clarification - I'm evaluating these as damaged because they're damaged, not because of the signature. A signature doesn't automatically ding the condition down to damaged. The big crease in the middle, however ...