Ha, it should, though.Quote from lookingupanddown »
(inb4 this should have been mono-white)
I guess it joins Leovold as Sultai cards with abilities I firmly believe should be primary in white.
Ha, it should, though.Quote from lookingupanddown »
(inb4 this should have been mono-white)
I think that's quite a stretch. Yeah, Kaladesh has a lot in common with Thran Dominaria, but the plots are almost entirely different. Dyfed's role has nothing in common with Tezzeret's, for example, and nothing so far suggests any sort of 'tiered vote system' in Kaladesh.Quote from Duke Daemon »Am I the only one who would like to see Old Phyrexia before we make another phyrexian colony? I mean I personally would like to find out who originally made the plane of Phyrexia and what it was like before Yawgmoth got his hands on it.
Not to mention but Argentum/Mirrodin had access to soul cages which were designed to snatch individuals away from different planes. So I am pretty sure the neo-phyrexians were already close to discovering planar travel. Especially since the Thranian portals are everywhere on multiple planes. It wouldn't shock me to find out that their remnants lie hidden on planes buried for other to find and awaken. Urza himself discovered one and awakened it.
Finally I am so sick of this plane, its like wizards is trying to recreat the Thranian race but make it "cool".
Proof that Kaldesh is a ripoff of the Thranian race.
[What has happened]The Kaldesh/Thranian have a power source system called the Aetherflux Reservoir/Fractured Powerstone which is pumped via pipes around the city which were used for all manners of things. Their entire world is controlled by a Consulate/Thranian High Council which use a tiered voting system to decide the course of it's empire. A divide in the populace grew due to decisions made by the Consulate/Thranian High Council. This led to a Aether Revolt/Thranian Rebellion. The arrival of a planeswalker Tezzeret/Dyfed only furthered the downfall of the empire.
[What I expect to happen/Has happened] is that Tezzeret/Yagmoth will take his followers and artifacts out of Kaldesh/Thran using an artificier(Rashmi/Dyfed) to open a planar portal into an artificial plane. Then Tezzeret/Yagmoth will use these followers and artifacts to construct a phyrexian army.
Seriously go read The Thran by J. Robert King. Then read Kaldesh's story.
What I mean is that I don't think their characters are unique or full-fledged or well-developed or anything. Magic has become a bit too obsessed with tropes for my tastes lately, and I feel this flies in the face of the brand's potential. For example: I think planeswalkers have a lot of potential, as they aren't really like anything on the current pop culture zeitgeist; they could be their own trope. But instead of developing them as something truly unique, WotC is settling for a glorified superhero group, which is a riff on the latest ephemerous Hollywood obsession. Chandra is basically the Human Torch, with the very same snarky lines. It's probably a good decision when it comes to gaining mainstream audiences in a somewhat easy way, but still massively disappointing from a storytelling perspective.Quote from Truth »Quote from RickCorgan »The "yeah, I'll keep watch" on Chandra's Oath flavor text is further proof that they are trying to not only do their own Avengers / Justice League, but also match the cringeworthy Hollywood lines and clichéd one-sided personalities. Card is nice, though.
How dare they have a varied cast of characters. Chandra is already anything but one-dimension, she's the typical comic relief character you'd imagine her to be from quotes like this, but the thing that brought her back to Zendikar was mostly guilt and sensse of responsibility.
One, however, violates basic common sense. It's easy to understand that, if your great, great, great grandfather is killed in a time travel event, you will cease to exist. Even if you were to assume you'd still exist in some capacity, you wouldn't look the same, or be called the same. On the other hand, "common silver goes unscathed through a time portal" doesn't violate any such basic line of thinking. Who knows, maybe a quantum physicist would be able to demonstrate why that shouldn't be the case, but by then he will have lost 99% of the people who are the target audience for this story, so that doesn't matter in the end.Quote from Vorthospike »Since no one knows how time travel should work (let alone fictional time travel caused by stepping into the tomb of a dead spirit dragon) there are no reasonable assumptions to be made about how it works. For instance why is "only silver can travel through time" reasonable but not "individuals are preserved quantities"? Neither violates any actual rules of time travel.
Very interesting read. I certainly agree with what you're trying to convey.Quote from Subbak »Quote from northprophet »Just enjoy the ride people, not all stories have to fit into your logic to be enjoyed. And lets be clear on this; entertainment is more important than logic in these stories. If your willing suspension of disbelief can't extend that far, then maybe you should either stick to harder forms of speculative fiction or avoid the genre altogether. I'm not saying that to be snarky; fantasy requires a stretch of acceptance that not everyone can make. When you go as far as MtG's setting goes, applying real-world logic or modern scientific knowledge to it can be a sure-fire way to ruin your experience of the story. There's a large degree of internal consistency within the Tarkir storyline IMO, and most of the problems people point out with it come from outside Tarkir ("This previous MtG storyline was better"), outside MtG ("I like how franchise X did time travel more than this"), or meta problems ("I hate time travel stories"). I don't like all the characters (Sidisi and Shu Yun were particularly underdeveloped, I think) and there was rather weak writing on some of the "filler" entries; but the main plot so far has been pretty good, especially since Sarkhan's little time-jump back. I like that even though Sarkhan has a better sense of himself, he's still wildly emotional and having a hard time understanding the effects of his actions in the past.Quote from Trivmvirate »Well guys this is a fantasy not the real world so what's the big deal.
"A wizard did it" is not a good trope. I, and many other people, prefer stories to be internally consistent so that I can get involved. If I'm rooting for Frodo to go to Mount Doom and destroy the ring, I don't want him to suddenly say "actually, we don't need to go to Mount Doom, instead I'll just use this artifact we never mentionned that can destroy the ring forever". If you introduce a very rare Spice that enables you to do all kinds of magic, you don't want to casually mention that actually all that magic is done without the Spice by other factions in the Empire. It's easy to conceive of consistent rules for time travel. There are basically two flavors:
* Temporal loops. There is only one universe, and whatever happened happened. But instead of being acyclic, the causality graph can have arrow in both directions. An object can exist only because of a time loop: for exampe I can come across an object, then travel back in time to put it where I know I will find it: this object does not exist outside of a time loop. It can make some interesting stories but it's quite hard to use correctly as a plot device.
* Alternate universes. Everythime you go back in time you create a new universe, originated at your point of arrival, with no possible communication. Those rarely make interesting stories.
* Unspecified rules. Those are for stories that are really "fish out of temporal water" instead of using time travel as a plot device. Basically the time travel happens at the beginning and does not feature later in the story. I don't really count those as time-travel stories for this reason.
Warning: The following rant may be hard to follow, it's hard to judge. The TL;DR version is "too many big things change for us to accept that the small things stay the same."
Generally, good but not great time travel stories use non-explicit rules that are slightly inconsistent: you do create an alternate universe but somehow "merge" with your copy from that universe so that you are only one being. This is for example what is done is the Back to the Future movies. Yes, upon closer inspection they make no sense: Marty would definitely not exist with the same appearance and personnality given the different history of his parents, I mean according to all probability he was not made from the same gametes, and certainly not raised in the same environment. But at least you can sort of believe it: the movie handwaves this partly using "time loop" tropes, with Marty's mother mentionning that Marty is a nice name, and so on.
In this story, we have massive changes made a very, very long time ago, that somehow completely changed several aspects of Tarkir while leaving other untouched. Statistically, all the ghostfire warriors executed by Ugin were ancestors of all KTK-present Jeskai, which means their genealogy in DTK should be completely different. Even with an explanation (as in Terry Pratchett) of the universe wanting to right itself towards a "default" version, it does not justify the fact that many characters had completely different parents and yet apparently turned out to look and be named the same as some other character from KTK. It's even worse when you consider that there are probably a lot less humans in this version of Tarkir than in the previous one. If this is the case, then why do all the characters have "new" versions. Did the magical time-travel thing note the personalities of a select few humans and ported them into this new reality while making a backstory for them? Why them? It feels arbitrary and forced, and not at all what you would expect given the premise.
To try to put it another way: if someone made a movie about a white person returning through time to the American Civil War and making the South win instead of the North, you would not expect the protagonist to return to their present day family and find the same people with the same name, but owning slaves. That would normally utterly break your suspension of disbelief. The change in the universe is more important by several orders of magnitude than what people look like or what they're called. When Marty changes the relationship between his parents, we buy it that he stays mostly the same. When uchronies change the outcome of a war or another, we buy it that history after that stays roughly the same (for example: WW1 and WW2 still happen evn if the SOuth win the Civil War). When someone goes to the Jurrasic to get a dinosaur egg, we buy it that they did not change anything to our present when the butterfly effect could really have made everything different. But here we have a dragon sized-butterfly that fails to even produce enough wind to pick up a piece of paper.
Quote from XenphireRemind me again why people are trying to argue against the Sliver's evolution in a fantasy-based universe with real world science?