MTG Salvation

Does any amount of Thought Scour as an "all-in" approach to running X4 Become immense seem a little cray?

Potentially can do the following

Kill a creature
Kill a creature
tick up to temporarily ramp
Kill a creature

for 2UB

Depending on the final cardpool, this thing could be very T2 playable.

ITT, people underestimating the potential to kill multiple creatures with this.

Looks like we finally have another card that will immediately get banned in EDH.

Please let RN come off the banlist so I can play with it until it gets re-banned on the next update.

The card beats newer players into a pulp. Which I believe RC frowns upon. Not as great against veterans with answers, but still great.

I played UW and my partner played GB. I straggled in to play two headed giant and needed a partner. So did a young kid. So I got to dominate the decisions and we went X-0. I gave almost all the cards to the kid and kept an oath of nissa. Fun times.

I have had extract in my maindeck for a long time now. But I know when I get into a group like this. The other AN player I didn't hit with it is just going to go off and win.

Awesome write up and a fun read. Now, can we get a CEDH banlist please?

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Has anyone taken a look at TCG mid prices for this set minus the ultra rare expeditions?

Absolutely abysmal. This set has Gideon and the dual lands, and that's about it. The dual lands will likely be played as 1-2 ofs in Modern. This set is so bad. Like, really bad. I regret my purchase.

You do know that this set is going to be opened, and opened a lot, because they added a lottery? And that because it's opened so much, the median value of packs is going to be very low? This isn't because of the power level of the set, it's because the demand for this set is tied up in 25 specific, premium, one-per-case (or so) cards, and all the other product opened is worthless. Wizards manages to sell packs, sure, but they skewed the demand curve so badly that they basically turned everything not an expedition into bulk.

So you're saying the prices are going to be even lower, and by alot if we considered what happened with Khans?

Siege Rhino is about $3 now, low in price due to market saturation because everyone wanted the fetches. The fetches are now starting to climb in value.
But just look at the price history of individual cards in Khans when it was first released. Most of the cards have lost around %60 of their value since the release of Khans.

Besides using 1-2 of the new duals, and possibly radiant flames or a manland, what about this set screams Modern/Legacy playable? Its painfully obvious how under powered this set is. And its even more of a let down because its nothing like the old Zendikar. Expectations not met with this one. As a consumer, I think this product sucks.

Has anyone taken a look at TCG mid prices for this set minus the ultra rare expeditions?

Absolutely abysmal. This set has Gideon and the dual lands, and that's about it. The dual lands will likely be played as 1-2 ofs in Modern. This set is so bad. Like, really bad. I regret my purchase.

The problem with some of the cards from BFZ is that they are infuriatingly bad. The cards that only do something if the opponent has cards in exile. Really bad mechanic from what I'm seeing.

The manland costs 1 too much to activate. Weak Sauce imo

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d0su, thanks for doing this!

Though I'm surprised Painter's Servant just barely doesn't make the cut for outlier, the rest of them are as expected. These are the cards the RC should take another strong look at.

I'm really curious to know what the RC thinks of this poll. Does it mirror what they see? Are there any surprises in the numbers? Does this give them new stuff to discuss?

I doubt they'll tell us, but it would be interesting to hear.

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I recently moved to a college town and had to open up a bit myself as to my thoughts on proexies. I used to have the thoughts of only if you intend to test it or as a placeholder as things are on their way.

I showed up with a few $400-$1000 decks and college kids had like $40 decks. They just werent going to be able to play against me without me encouraging them to just fully proxy. It became the option of beating faces and having nobody willing to play me or just cave and encourage full proxying. I still cringe when I see someone play a proxied Moat though...

This is a good example of a case for proxying and one I was about to make. I have a couple of friends who own homes and have kids. Their money is tied up in other expenses and were they to buy the cards in order to play in our group, they would be playing with jank decks, thus limiting their enjoyment and ultimately their involvement. But, there is an elegant solution: give each deck that is predominately proxied a spending cap. This will make it fair and enable creativity.