Quote from Machin ShinAs things stand, unless Silicon suddenly is able to give an actual explanation for his actions, I'd be happy to lynch him today. The case made is strong, and like I said before he just kinda shrugged off the points made against him. I think it would do us some good to have everybody give their opinion on Silicon as scum or not and why. Heck, we might even finally have a lynch to end this second god-awful (pun intended) day.
Quote from Axelrod1. Lurker. We know this. To some extant it's a Silicon thing to lurk, but this is pretty bad. Especially the large gaps in recent days. The last three posts coming over a period of more than two weeks. There are large gaps in posting during Day 1 as well. Lurking w/o excuse = scummy. Multiple gaps in posting of 4, 5, and more days = no excuse.
Quote from Axelrod »2. Non-committal. Day 1 he says he feels MD is newb town (which he's going to have a better read on if he's mafia, right?) but can't explain why he feels that way. Of course this feeling doesn't stop him from waggoning MD to death at the end of the day, while criticizing his "horrible" posting, which he has not himself mentioned once.
Quote from Axelrod »He also walked the middle road re: Absolutionis. Voted him for the reason "he can get behind this." Get behind what, pray tell? Then hides behind Puzzle's questions. Then "unvotes" like a good cautious townie, except he makes sure to tell everyone he doesn't think Abso. is any less likely to be scum. Is then wishy-washy when portions of Abso's claim are supported.
Quote from Axelrod »The Passdog incident appears to be more of the same. He dropped his first little dig at Passdog without explanation. When pressed, he does say he thinks Passdog is "most likely" scum, but can give NO basis for this feeling beyond his "gut."
When asked to clarify when his "gut" started speaking to him about Passdog, he points to post #743, where Passdog did not vote AH, did not FOS AH, but said AH was giving him "weird" vibes (and took the time to say specifically what was giving him weird vibes, which Silicon constantly fails to do). Silicon, it seems, wants to criticize that "attack" (if you can call it an attack), but even in his criticism, he says "the post he [Passdog] quotes does have one instance of a questionable usage of 'we'" In other words, Passdog is making at least a partially legitimate point. Yet this is the post which apparently makes Silicon think Passdog is "most likely" to be scum? That's incredibly weak, but since he took that dig, he had to come up with something, didn't he?
Now he's saying that it was Passdog's more detailed attack on AH in post #772 which made him suspicious of Passdog. He has to admit, however, that he never said anything of the sort at the time. What he said (in post #992,) was that he didn't know why he thought Passdog was scum. It was just a "gut" feeling.
Quote from Axelrod »What's his opinion on Az vs. me? The rumble in the jungle? he thrilla in Manilla? Right down the middle, baby. He can see valid points on both sides, but doesn't agree completely with either. And he doesn't even specify what points he agrees with or disagrees with. He just says it in a vague kind of way, then moves on to talk about something else. How helpful.
Quote from Axelrod »3. Aloof. This is where the whole "interesting" point comes in. What is he saying with that? Or trying to say? Well, it sounds like he's taking it all in. He's analyzing the situation. He's thinking about the possibilities. Which would be great if he was actually doing any of those things. His posted thoughts, however, display no such insight nor analysis. He neither makes nor refutes any of the arguments of the moment. He observes. Aloof. And occasionally remarks on how "interesting" it all is to make us think he's paying attention.
Quote from Axelrod »4. Tons of agreement with other people. Lots of posts saying I want X to answer Y's question. I agree with X. This is kind of Buddy-buddy, in addition to being non-committal and is a great way to not post any actual content.
Quote from Axelrod »5. Meta-Game argument: This one comes from my personal perspective. If I assume Az is townie, then I wonder what the mafia must think of his (sorely misguided) attack on me. I'm thinking that, overall, they must be happy with it, two prominant posters going back and forth and no mafia being in the middle of it. If Az were successful in getting me lynched, great for the mafia. Another potentially dangerous townie down, plus, Azrael's credibility is shot.
For that very reason though, they have to be cautious. They don't want to whole-heartedly support Az in this (misguided) attack on me, lest their own credibility end up shot at the same time. They also don't want to defend me too strenuously - they want me lynched. Plus, how could they justify defending me too much? How could they be so sure I'm townie? So I imagine most mafia walking a middle line. Perhaps expressing agreement with a point here or there, perhaps not commenting much at all in an effort to stay out of it. Less likely to throw their full support behind one side or the other.
Why look, it's Silicon. Smack dead in the middle. He has made a grand total of 1 post commenting on the entire Az/Axel debate, to say he sees points on both sides. Other than that, he's lurking like Jack the Ripper to see how it all plays out.
Quote from Axelrod »EWP: I see Silicon has just posted his current feelings. How helpful. Still has not managed to specify what "play" in particular any player he listed has made which makes then suspicious.
Quote from Axelrod »I'm not sure what to say about him coming down on my side of the Az/Axel debate. I wonder, has my attack on him increased my credibility?
Quote from Disrupt_Your_HymnLOL. Axel is a little off with the word being used in the Princess Bride quote he's borowed, but the effect is the same.
Inigo: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
That's where he's coming from, Silicon.
Quote from Ranmaactually a creature gives all creatures wtih flanking flanking again is the missing one. Thus the playtest cards seem to have come through fairly well.
Quote from atlsealJust one quick side note:
@silicon: Would you mind saying how I’m trying to be too much like town? This is more of an academic curiosity than anything else.
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Jumps on the Absolutionis wagon. This post is incredibly hypocritical--he has given NO opinion of his pwn about anyone the entire game--and the fact he recognizes it doesn't really make it less so.
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This is interesting. Unvotes Abso. for the reason that he's "a might" too close to bein lynched. Says nothing to indicate he is any less suspicious of Abso. Then goes into some detail on why he doesn't like Tregit's "Pantheon Plan." Which I don't think people are particularly talking about at that point.
Says the Abso. wagon grew fast, but defends the speed by saying he thinks if could be full of townies who just wanted something to happen. Doesn't seem to think Abso is any less likely to be scum because of the speed.
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Says he's not thrilled with Abso's analysis. Says the fact that part of his claim have been "confirmed" helps "a bit." (this would be Aurorasparrow saying he's also a God from the GlassWright Series). Doesn't unvote.
Asks Cyan if he has any reason for believing there will be vanilla mafia. Minor fishing?
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Wishy-washy on AH. Doesn't see anything to make him think he's scum. Doesn't see anything to make him think he's town either. Take a dig at Passdog (who he has not so much as mentioned before). Goes back to voting Abso.
Passdog calls him on his dig. He states that he does think Passdog is "most likely" scum. For no reasons. Just a "gut" feeling.
Agrees with me that 1000 post days are too long.
More arguing with Passdog who is trying to press him to give an opinion on something.
Now he's pressed a bit by DYH. DYH wants to know when he became suspicious of Passdog (whom he had never mentioned before). Silicon says it started around Post #743. Does not give any further explanation.
DYH asks why Passdog had not hit his scummy list before, and Silicon counters by saying DYH doesn't know when Passdog hit his scummy list because he never posted his scummy list. k.
DYH points out Cyan's confirmation of Abso as vanilla as a reason why many people may have gotten off the wagon. Silicon says he still surprised people got off as quickly as they did.
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Jumps on the MD wagon. Says with all his "horrible" posts throughout the "entire day" he just can't believe him.
He hasn't said anything about MD for the entire day since the time he said he thought MD was newb town.
Quote from Axelrod »1289
Expresses dismay at all the Night kills. Asks if anyone knows why there were so many?
As if anyone would be answering that question.
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His head wants to explode. Now we have both Cultists. INTERESTING (you keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.)
Doesn't "think" he agrees with people wanting to lynch kops, but that might change with a re-read.
Quote from CyanIkerr already has 8(or possibly 9) votes without yours. I don't think you can play the 'vote for pressure' card and have it be applicable when the person is already under plenty of pressure and when your vote isn't going to change that amount of pressure. Just seems like you're trying to get onto his bandwagon with an appropriate reason, and instead are using the #1 bandwagonning reason this game.(Aside: Seriously, I've never seen the excuse 'vote for pressure' used so much, so early in a game..just because it's generally an accepted, if not great, reason for voting doesn't mean that it's not suspicious when people keep using it as an excuse). I won't even pretend to understand how someone can seem 'too townish'. Also, silicon, you say that you're keeping an eye on Fayul..why?
Quote from CyanOn an unrelated note, Silicon's last post doesn't make me feel good inside. He promised a 'long post after re-reading', but the post that he provided was just a bandwagon unvote, and some logic that is, IMO, utterly nonsensical about why it would be okay to refuse to claim in a specialty game(especially factoring in that Sutherlands has already claimed Vanilla), even though it's generally frowned upon. To me, it seems like he wanted to get off of a bandwagon that clearly isn't going anywhere, but, didn't want it to look like he was bandwagonning in doing so, so he made up a reasoning for it and hoped noone would notice. He doesn't comment on any of the other things that are currently being discussed(Ikerr, Fayul, Night 1 Vigging, etc).
Quote from RafaelKLeading the witness, your honour!
And also, what an assumption, that kops' role is a non-standard doc and that there would definitely be a standard doc role in this game.