Hm... Right now I don't particularly like this 'analyst brawl' as CC put it. I can see some valid points on both sides, but I don't completely agree with either.
I do have a quick question to some of the more experieced game builders: when a cult is in a game, and recruits a mafia member, would the recruited mafia member still count towards the mafia equalling everyone else? Obviously there would have to be some restrictions on the cult (i.e, a blind cult, etc.), but just something I'm wondering.
I also disagree that it is almost certain that Treigit is not a targeting neutral. Aside from the possibility that he just outguessed, as sometimes neutrals are given investigative abilities to help them (I know I've heard of SKs getting them, I wouldn't be surprised to hear of a cult leader getting one either). I do realize the problem with that theory, but it's still a possibility.
It's possible that Treigit is the only current recruit. The CL could have attempted to recruit one of the now deceased, or possibly the CL attempted to recruit someone who couldn't be recruited... hmm...
Say Treigit, do you think that any of the nightkills could be flavorfully linked to the god of the cult leader? I remember in Random 2 the Cult Leader (Fayul) could send one of her recruits to kill at night (looking back at the role, she could recruit one night, then the next night she could kill), so it's not out of the question that one of the four night kills was due to the cult leader.
@arim: well, it's possible that he's a protective type role or something that doesn't want to paint a target on himself or something to that effect is all I was saying. Anyway, I do think it's worth that minor risk.
So anyway, I'll keep a list of "not labelas" people:
OK, strike-throughs have claimed not labelas obviously, to make it easier I bolded everyone else.
I still have no clue as to why this plan is even being carried out. Making Labelas lie won't have any real impact except if there is a role cop out there. We don't really have to go and make everyone say that they're not Labelas to figure out they're lying. A town Labelas would have no reason to not speak up and say that they are Labelas.
As far as Treigit's claim goes, I agree that if Labelas is town, he should name claim.
I am unsure on the idea of claiming greek or no/claiming pantheon. On the one hand, it could hurt chuck's claim, however on the other hand, he did only claim a faith healer, which means it's unlikely that he would be the only do.... Okay typing that made me realize that I'm just being a bit too paranoid, so I'll go ahead and say I'm not greek.
Hmm... I'll get some sleep and post more tonight hopefully.
Hm... well interesting turn of events here. I don't particularly like outing a cop so early, but what's done is done. Bluesoul, who did you target night 0?
Just one cotton-pickin' moment - since Dragyn_Mage hasn't given either alighments or roles in death scenes we have abosloutely no idea which of the victims so far is a townie and which is not. Perhaps you have information otherwise but until such evidence comes to light you're just making some awful assumptions. Coming from you that's highly suspicious.
It's true that in the death scenes Draygn hasn't given alignments, but on the main list on the first page, the deaths appear exactly as Az has them in his post.
I've bought the RG one and the WU one... or that's what the boxes said at least. I got the UB one instead of the WU one... I'm not complaining much though as I was going to eventually buy a UB anyway... anyway, it's a shame that they screwed up the island pics, as the missing one is nice.
hmm just speculationg but the card is nº 274 in 301, when the lands are released on the fisrt pack of the block they are usually the last numbers and normally 4 diferent arts for each land type... so 5 land types x 4 = 20 basic land card so 20 + 274 = 294 so we can wait for more rare/incomuns lands i supose.... but that only my theory of conspiracy
Of course there will be more lands. Every block has a cycle of dual mana producing lands. (Okay, Mirrodin had the Talismans instead of lands, but that was a special case)
Anyway I like the land, as has been said, having two in your opening hand (while going second) isn't bad, as you just remove one for the other. Late game, it is a bit of a dead draw, unless you have some way of discarding... which would mean that this would go better into decks that have black or blue.
Gah... this is rediculous. I want to believe MD is town and is a roleblocker, but with all his horrible posts, throughout this entire day, I don't think I can anymore.
Well I suppose the first thing that hit me, was his small bit on AH at the end of post 743, with the small bit on his usage of 'we'. Though the post he quotes does have one instance of a questionable usage of 'we', I dislike attacks based on a single instance of a questionable word.
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Post 992:Why has passdog not hit your scum lists at any point before?
How can you tell when he hit my scum list, especially when you asked the question of when my first suspicions began? From the time he joined the game, up until I mentioned that I didn't think he was townish, I never posted my scum list.
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Do you think Cyan's vanilla confirmation was the main factor? Do you think it's something else?
I think the vanilla confirmation was a fair contributor, but I'm astounded that so many jumped off so quickly.
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Any comments, Sili?
Sili? I've gotten the nickname Sili now? Wonderful
Didn't I just say? I have seen no argument for against him other than his answering for others. I'll have to go back and reread I suppose, but I don't recall ever noticing much of anything from him. However, that reread will have to wait until later today at least, possibly on wednesday.
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Cases have been made both for an against and rather than throwing your weight behind two wagons, you have provided no analysis or idication of any particular piece of evidence, old or new, that provides insight into your reasons.
I repeat, please justify your chosen wagon with respect to the other players under suspicion... and I don't think a 'gut feeling' will suffice.
I clearly stated my main reason against Treigit quite awhile ago. I'll agree, I haven't said much against abso, he's just acted scummy: lurking quite a bit at the start - only really posting while the pressure was on him, now that he's being ignored again, he's not posting much; his analysis, well, sucked, and parts of it were not exactly townish; his responses, well they've been poor as well. I don't see why exactly his wagon fell apart so quick.
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We've had one claim (and a couple of other semi-claims) so far which in my, perhaps limited, experience is unusual for a game this size; so your assertion seems to be sensationalising the point to acheive your goal - a lynch.
The day has lasted a month. In that span we've had 4 people replaced, and another one request to be - which is possibly a trend of people losing interest. We have had several wagons, gotten several claims, and exposed quite a bit of information that really shouldn't have been exposed. We have several decent canidates for a lynch. The longer we drag this out, the more information will be giving the scum. I can see maybe one more claim, maybe, then we should settle on a lynch.
Or explain how the variety of accusations made against him are invalid?
And maybe while you're at it you could justify why your chosen wagon is superior to AH's?
I thought the inference was quite clear. Right now, I'm thinking you're most likely scum. I don't know why, just a gut thing.
Variety of accusations? I only saw one real accusation: answering for someone else. Yes I find that a bit scummy, but not as scummy as I think Abso and Triegit have been thus far today.
Justify why my chosen wagon is superior? What more do I have to say? I don't think AH has been anywhere near as scummy as Abso or Treigit. I thought I made that clear.
On another note, I agree with Axel about a 1000 post day - especially day 1, even in a game this size, is quite rediculous. At this point, it actually seems like the scum are getting exactly what they want, more wagons going around getting more claims. If we don't pick a target and stick with it, the way we're going we're going to get around to getting everyone to claim by day's end.
I do have a quick question to some of the more experieced game builders: when a cult is in a game, and recruits a mafia member, would the recruited mafia member still count towards the mafia equalling everyone else? Obviously there would have to be some restrictions on the cult (i.e, a blind cult, etc.), but just something I'm wondering.
I also disagree that it is almost certain that Treigit is not a targeting neutral. Aside from the possibility that he just outguessed, as sometimes neutrals are given investigative abilities to help them (I know I've heard of SKs getting them, I wouldn't be surprised to hear of a cult leader getting one either). I do realize the problem with that theory, but it's still a possibility.
*goes off to think about the situation some more*
I'm not thrilled with Treigit, I agree with Axel and think he should tell us his original powers. I also think kops should full claim.
It's possible that Treigit is the only current recruit. The CL could have attempted to recruit one of the now deceased, or possibly the CL attempted to recruit someone who couldn't be recruited... hmm...
Say Treigit, do you think that any of the nightkills could be flavorfully linked to the god of the cult leader? I remember in Random 2 the Cult Leader (Fayul) could send one of her recruits to kill at night (looking back at the role, she could recruit one night, then the next night she could kill), so it's not out of the question that one of the four night kills was due to the cult leader.
I still have no clue as to why this plan is even being carried out. Making Labelas lie won't have any real impact except if there is a role cop out there. We don't really have to go and make everyone say that they're not Labelas to figure out they're lying. A town Labelas would have no reason to not speak up and say that they are Labelas.
As far as Treigit's claim goes, I agree that if Labelas is town, he should name claim.
I am unsure on the idea of claiming greek or no/claiming pantheon. On the one hand, it could hurt chuck's claim, however on the other hand, he did only claim a faith healer, which means it's unlikely that he would be the only do.... Okay typing that made me realize that I'm just being a bit too paranoid, so I'll go ahead and say I'm not greek.
Hmm... I'll get some sleep and post more tonight hopefully.
It's true that in the death scenes Draygn hasn't given alignments, but on the main list on the first page, the deaths appear exactly as Az has them in his post.
Anyone have any ideas on why there were so many kills?
Of course there will be more lands. Every block has a cycle of dual mana producing lands. (Okay, Mirrodin had the Talismans instead of lands, but that was a special case)
Anyway I like the land, as has been said, having two in your opening hand (while going second) isn't bad, as you just remove one for the other. Late game, it is a bit of a dead draw, unless you have some way of discarding... which would mean that this would go better into decks that have black or blue.
unvote. vote MD
Well I suppose the first thing that hit me, was his small bit on AH at the end of post 743, with the small bit on his usage of 'we'. Though the post he quotes does have one instance of a questionable usage of 'we', I dislike attacks based on a single instance of a questionable word.
How can you tell when he hit my scum list, especially when you asked the question of when my first suspicions began? From the time he joined the game, up until I mentioned that I didn't think he was townish, I never posted my scum list.
I think the vanilla confirmation was a fair contributor, but I'm astounded that so many jumped off so quickly.
Sili? I've gotten the nickname Sili now? Wonderful
Didn't I just say? I have seen no argument for against him other than his answering for others. I'll have to go back and reread I suppose, but I don't recall ever noticing much of anything from him. However, that reread will have to wait until later today at least, possibly on wednesday.
I clearly stated my main reason against Treigit quite awhile ago. I'll agree, I haven't said much against abso, he's just acted scummy: lurking quite a bit at the start - only really posting while the pressure was on him, now that he's being ignored again, he's not posting much; his analysis, well, sucked, and parts of it were not exactly townish; his responses, well they've been poor as well. I don't see why exactly his wagon fell apart so quick.
The day has lasted a month. In that span we've had 4 people replaced, and another one request to be - which is possibly a trend of people losing interest. We have had several wagons, gotten several claims, and exposed quite a bit of information that really shouldn't have been exposed. We have several decent canidates for a lynch. The longer we drag this out, the more information will be giving the scum. I can see maybe one more claim, maybe, then we should settle on a lynch.
I thought the inference was quite clear. Right now, I'm thinking you're most likely scum. I don't know why, just a gut thing.
Variety of accusations? I only saw one real accusation: answering for someone else. Yes I find that a bit scummy, but not as scummy as I think Abso and Triegit have been thus far today.
Justify why my chosen wagon is superior? What more do I have to say? I don't think AH has been anywhere near as scummy as Abso or Treigit. I thought I made that clear.
On another note, I agree with Axel about a 1000 post day - especially day 1, even in a game this size, is quite rediculous. At this point, it actually seems like the scum are getting exactly what they want, more wagons going around getting more claims. If we don't pick a target and stick with it, the way we're going we're going to get around to getting everyone to claim by day's end.