As an investment they are low risk low yield. I purchased a CE for use in a power cube, and besides the cards used in that the set is undesirable. As a tool to play high dollar cards without the prohibitive cost of entry they are fantastic.
Won't be that much longer until all the non-Power9 cards have been reprinted and the secondary market is completely at the whim of the printing presses. Woohoooo! A few more dozen judge cards and a handful of "Promo" reprint sets, and that's that.
I built forgetful fish and trippin. They are both a pile of fun. I would be interested in whatever other game designs you have. (Rock paper scissors wasn't really my thing)
WHEN the reserved list is abolished they will release ultra rare cards in such small print runs that they still wont save the formats dying of thirst for the cards which make them operate. I've played with a black lotus, you arent rally missing anything.
The only thing that I kinda find annoying with this whole "time travel" story is the fact that the sentient beings of Tarkir haven't evolved in 1000 years!
Temur are living in huts and chilling with bears (pun intended). Thousand years before they were doing the same stuff, only with saber-tooth tigers. They didn't invent anything all these years? If Khans had guys with rifles and cannons, then Fate Reforged would be much more cooler seeing them fighting with spears and clubs. But Magic is against guns, so no hope for seeing that. So... why 1000 years? Why not 500?
This is a pretty simplistic view of history, not to mention a misuse of the word "evolution". Even today there exist hunter-gatherer cultures in areas that are difficult for westerners to reach or that are intentionally avoided so that these cultures may be preserved. Even if we imagine that history is an inevitable march of progress that always takes exactly the same amount of time for every culture to reach each predefined technology level, the Neolithic in Europe historically lasted several thousands of years so it's perfectly reasonable that the Temur could remain in the stone age for over a thousand years.
I would add that, technological advancement is dependant in alot of factors, not just time, but things like environment, how people organize themselves or what they believe in, among many other.
No, it's cause it's a card game. A card game. Go ahead and mull that over for a minute m'kay? Jesus...
Not nearly enough restriction involved in this new format. I say 20 card decks, 1 commander 19 others, and nothing can cost more than 1 mana. And you start at 1 life. Even then, even with all those restrictions I'm still not sure that there would be enough restrictions.
That's not true, I had my Neither Void in my on-deck binder for a long time after removing it from my cube before I actually sold it. I owned it and didn't need it for my cube.
Well you get one point for finding the exception to my observation dont you? That is until you find that the one point I've awarded you doesnt really fit anymore and you sale it and move on...........
Saying that you want to protect your valuable collection is one thing, but saying that playing with amazing versions of all the cards adds nothing to the experience is something else entirely.
But that is subjective, isn't it? You cannot assume that it means the same thing to anyone else that it does to you. You can't do that. Just because you enjoy something doesnt mean everyone is going to enjoy it. Beta Demonic tutor and revised demonic tutor do the exact same thing. Just because one is more impressive and valuable than the other doesnt mean everyone is going to enjoy the impressive and valuable one more.
The most I've ever gotten from someone drafting my cube was "wow, these are all shiny" *proceeds to drop salsa on some $X00.00 card* haha
Honestly, as someone who grew up in utter amazement of the value of certain cards, I'm proud of my pimped cards and don't care what anyone else thinks. I enjoy them.
I hear you. Believe me man, I've been to the "I built it because I like it" party. Then someone stole a beta underground sea. And I lost six friends in the several arguments that errupted over it, never mind the thousands of dollars the card was worth. Then I hid everything away and built a cheaper yet still powered cube. CE saved my ability to cube, but the hyper expensive cards, the foil fetches and the other 9 beta duals, those things are kept someplace where even friends dont get to see them. I think we can all bring some perspective to this discussion, and I'm not trying to attack any of you, but sometimes It's better to have your beta pimp stuff in a binder in a closet that no one ever goes into, and cube the cheap stuff. I love this thread, and I appreciate those of you who show off your amazing alters and hyper expensive cards, but I feel like if someone says that they don't think it is worth it we all gotta just let a guy say his peace.
For me, Nether Void. It's just sheer awesomeness, and in the same color as Sinkhole. Add red for some serious mana disruption.
There's also Moat. But I think Moat is boring at the same time. I actually might cut it soon.
Are you sure that you meant to post these cards as criminally excluded and not criminally expensive? I jest, but neither of these cards is excluded when the cube manager has them.
You really should not be comparing Gaeas Cradle to mana producing elves, you should compare it to the Forest you took out of your mana base to make room for it. Bottom line is that Cradle is way too legit for this to even be a conversation. I'm sorry not everyone has one, but that is the only legitimate argument against it.
But that's exactly one of the downsides of Cradle: It's not a forest. A starting hand of Forest,Mana Elf, non-mana stuff can be good, but Cradle+nothing is always a bad starting hand. Also, I can't tell you how often I was annoyed to find that I basically have one land less when someone wrathes, which happens quite a lot (btw, is Cradle in French duel banned? Seems better in 2-player games). I'm not saying that it isn't good, but definitely not a center piece of a dedicated elf deck, like it is in many other decks, most often teoken-centric ones.
Let's just agree to disagree then. There is virtually no scenario in an elfball deck where I would be sad that I replaced a forest with a Gaeas Cradle. None. Not even after a wrath. I will always choose to include Gaeas Cradle over a forest. 100%, every time. Saying that it loses to wrath is petty and not really at all something that you should critique a whole card over. Don't include it in your elfball list bruh, I respect your opinion and right to it, but I'll take Cradle every time.
You really should not be comparing Gaeas Cradle to mana producing elves, you should compare it to the Forest you took out of your mana base to make room for it. Bottom line is that Cradle is way too legit for this to even be a conversation. I'm sorry not everyone has one, but that is the only legitimate argument against it.
Something that has come up big for my playgroup lately is block EDH. The number of decks the six of us had put together exploded from probably 12 to over 30 when we realized that we liked block EDH so much. I currently run Edric tiny thugs, and Numot America for normal EDH and then a ton of block stuff.
Sharuum - first EDH deck ever. retired
Nicol Bolas - retired
Mageta the Lion - retired
Angus Mackenzie - retired
Barrin Master Wizard - retired
Kaalia of the Vast - retired
The Mimeoplasm - retired
Edric Spymaster of Trest - current
Numot the Devastator - current
those are all of the EDH decks I've ever built besides block. I thought I had built way more, but I kind of like to keep em around forever just messing with them.
I sort of view this as a budget alternative to Damnation, but I also feel like Mutilate is better at that job than Crux of Fate is. Maybe at 720, or more likely 810. If anyone manages to test it they have to let us know how it goes.
Uh oh, someone's been in the salt.
No, it's cause it's a card game. A card game. Go ahead and mull that over for a minute m'kay? Jesus...
Well you get one point for finding the exception to my observation dont you? That is until you find that the one point I've awarded you doesnt really fit anymore and you sale it and move on...........
But that is subjective, isn't it? You cannot assume that it means the same thing to anyone else that it does to you. You can't do that. Just because you enjoy something doesnt mean everyone is going to enjoy it. Beta Demonic tutor and revised demonic tutor do the exact same thing. Just because one is more impressive and valuable than the other doesnt mean everyone is going to enjoy the impressive and valuable one more.
I hear you. Believe me man, I've been to the "I built it because I like it" party. Then someone stole a beta underground sea. And I lost six friends in the several arguments that errupted over it, never mind the thousands of dollars the card was worth. Then I hid everything away and built a cheaper yet still powered cube. CE saved my ability to cube, but the hyper expensive cards, the foil fetches and the other 9 beta duals, those things are kept someplace where even friends dont get to see them. I think we can all bring some perspective to this discussion, and I'm not trying to attack any of you, but sometimes It's better to have your beta pimp stuff in a binder in a closet that no one ever goes into, and cube the cheap stuff. I love this thread, and I appreciate those of you who show off your amazing alters and hyper expensive cards, but I feel like if someone says that they don't think it is worth it we all gotta just let a guy say his peace.
Are you sure that you meant to post these cards as criminally excluded and not criminally expensive? I jest, but neither of these cards is excluded when the cube manager has them.
Let's just agree to disagree then. There is virtually no scenario in an elfball deck where I would be sad that I replaced a forest with a Gaeas Cradle. None. Not even after a wrath. I will always choose to include Gaeas Cradle over a forest. 100%, every time. Saying that it loses to wrath is petty and not really at all something that you should critique a whole card over. Don't include it in your elfball list bruh, I respect your opinion and right to it, but I'll take Cradle every time.
Sharuum - first EDH deck ever. retired
Nicol Bolas - retired
Mageta the Lion - retired
Angus Mackenzie - retired
Barrin Master Wizard - retired
Kaalia of the Vast - retired
The Mimeoplasm - retired
Edric Spymaster of Trest - current
Numot the Devastator - current
those are all of the EDH decks I've ever built besides block. I thought I had built way more, but I kind of like to keep em around forever just messing with them.