a personal fear from the UK perspective would be Argentina.
Really? That's surprising to me. I realize it's slightly off-topic for this thread, but could you maybe expand on this?
You seen any videos of nuclear bomb tests against Naval Squadrons? They aren't pretty.
If the Argentines get a nuclear bomb and then decide that they would like to have another go at the Falklands. I could see a Nuclear bomb making a bit of a mess of any Naval Fleet we sent down there to contest the issue. Granted it would turn the entire world against Argentina but that is not that much of a comfort if they have destroyed one of our 2 Aircraft carriers and its support fleet.
perhaps we should be trying to open more stable communications with North Korea and hopefully use that to peacefully convince them to disarm.
Yes, let's convince the regime that gets by through essentially extorting the international community for money that they need to present less of a threat to the stability of Southeast Asia. Let's convince the hostile totalitarian regime that they would be better off without the very thing that's making people balk at any idea of military intervention. Because I'm sure you'll get really far with that, seeing how ANYTHING about that makes any sense at all.
And poking a nuclear armed bear, potentially forcing him to do the one thing that you really really don't want him to do somehow makes more sense?
The current confrontational stand off has not worked.
Any form of armed escalation is going to cause a hell of a lot of casualties and embroil the US in yet another war when you are already heavily involved in 3 armed conflicts.
A Collapse of the Kim regime is going to cause chaos on the pennisular and is also very likely to result in a large number of North Korean Nuclear scientists becoming available for hire. With luck they could be quickly snapped up my a more reasonable nuclear power like China, US, UK or Russia. If we are unlucky they get picked up by one of the less stable ones like Pakistan or one that has the ambitions to get the technology but is yet to make it practical like Iran. Hell if we are really unlucky they might be picked up by a country that has so far had no ambitions of joining the nuclear club due to the expense and the lack of technical expertise, a personal fear from the UK perspective would be Argentina.
At this point something on the Korean Penisular has to change. Armed stand off has failed. Armed escalation is liable to fail worse. May be peaceful negeotiation could succeed, we won't know until it is attempted.
No, it's a fact. The Korean War has never actually ended. It would be a mistake to think that it has
Whilst there might not have been an official ending to the Korean War, just an armistice. That has held for 60 years successfully
"Successfully" is a term I am challenging here. You have not addressed my previous post. If by "successfully," you mean that North Korea continues to exist due to the aid money the international community continues to send to it, and is now a nuclear power, making it far more of a threat than it ever was, then no, that's not a success, now is it? That's the textbook definition of a failed policy.
for us to justifiably break it something fairly significant would have to change. On current form North Korea is very good at staying just the right side of the line that military intervention is not currently justified.
Are we talking about the same North Korea? North Korea commits acts of provocation all of the time.
This the pedantic part. Yeah we know officailly the war has not ended offically. You need to overcome 60 years of inertia if you want to end that and now engage a hot war. A hot war that is going to most likely involve lobbing shells into down town Seoul with in hours if not minutes.
If we wanted a justifiable act of retaliation, all we have to do is wait for the next time they launch a missile at Korea or Japan, I guarantee you it won't be long.
This is the disengenous part. North Korea has not lobbed shells/missiles at Japan or Korea. They deliberately pick stretches of Ocean in the middle of nowhere. Sure if the North Koreans were dumb enough to do the above, which is a complete break from what they have done up to now. Yeah then we could justify an attack.
But that is very unlikely to happen. What is more likely to happen is the status quo is going to continue. North Korea doing undergroung attacks and lobbing missiles into desterted areas of Ocean that if you contined the radius round in a full circle would include a large area of South Korea or Japan.
Are you willing to accept massive numbers of casualties in those areas long before you could neutralise all the North Korean artillery/Rockets? If you are not then regardless of our feelings the status quo is the best we can realisticly hope for. And then hope we can change the script with North Korea. Because news flash the threats we have used since the Korean War has not worked.
They were actually counter-productive. We effectively forced North Korea to develop Nuclear Weapons, and every time we attempt to ratchet up the pressure we confirm to them just how much they need the damn things.
After 60 years of the status quo yeah something different probably should be tried. Poking them harder is not doing something new. It is going with the status quo and attempting to turn it up to 11.
Moving it into another sphere, Iran has been able to absorb pretty much any threat directed at them and still maintained thier desire to have nuclear weapons. This did not change until Obama and others choose to change the script and actively engaged with the Iranian government on a diplomatic basis.
As the South Koreans mentioned in the article I linked above want, now there is a very real risk of nuclear weapons dropping on South Korea perhaps we should be trying to open more stable communications with North Korea and hopefully use that to peacefully convince them to disarm. Something we can't do if we keep threatening them.
If you are ignoring all standard bannings. Elfball or any of the other decks that abused skullclamp for fun and profit for Mirrodin 1.0. Tooth and nail was also one of the better decks of the time once Skullclamp was dealt with.
For Onslaught/Mirrodin standard find one of the Goblin decks that were flying around. IIRC they managed to put up some competive numbers. For Odyssey/Onslaught UG Madness has already been mentioned but there is also Uzi(Upheaval Zombie Infestation), Psychatog and Goblin Bidding (goblin shell with Patriachs bidding for recursion).
Donald Trump’s former national security adviser is under formal investigation by the Pentagon for his apparently undisclosed paid speaking engagements in Russia, it emerged on Thursday.
Retired army lieutenant general Mike Flynn, a former Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) chief, has attracted the official scrutiny for potentially failing “to obtain required approval” for a Moscow speech to RT, a state-controlled news channel that US intelligence considers an arm of Kremlin propaganda.
Acting Pentagon inspector general Glenn Fine disclosed the inquiry in an 11 April letter to the House oversight committee, which is also investigating Flynn. The committee released Fine’s letter on Thursday.
This reeks of what the FBI and Treasury department did to Al Capone. Charge him for a relatively minor crime that they know they can make stick. And in this case I guess try and use that to leverage him into some agreement to spill the beans on what else might have gone on in the Campaign.
It took just a few hours to transform Seongju from a sleepy farming village in the South Korean foothills into a symbol of the US military might ranged against North Korea.
Once a retreat for amateur golfers , the Lotte Seongju country club is now in the hands of the most powerful military in the world and its South Korean allies.
On land where dispirited golfers once cursed a badly sliced drive, work is under way to rush into service a defence system able to locate and destroy North Korean missiles before they threaten the South – or the 28,500 US troops stationed there.
Villagers complained about the disruption caused by the arrival of the terminal high-altitude area defense (Thaad) system but the impact has been spread far beyond the bucolic hills of Seongju.
The deployment has dominated the final days of South Korea’s election campaign, pushed Seoul’s relations with Beijing to breaking point and cast doubt on the wisdom of Donald’s Trump’s decision to dispense with “strategic patience” towards Pyongyang.
Most of Seongju’s few hundred residents were asleep when six camouflaged trailers rolled in before dawn on Wednesday, carrying the components of the Thaad system.
As they digested their sudden – and unwanted – propulsion into the heart of the latest round of tensions over North Korea’s nuclear and ballistic missile programmes, bewilderment quickly turned to anger.
“Look at how beautiful this place is,” said Baek Gwang-soon, a resident in her mid-70s who was briefly questioned by police as she left her home to tend her crops. “Until a few weeks ago, I had no idea what Thaad even was and now it’s right on our doorstep.”
When assembled, the first battery will comprise six truck-mounted launchers that can fire up to 48 interceptors towards incoming missiles picked up by the system’s X-band radar.
Originally scheduled to go into operation by the end of the year, Thaad could be up and running in time to further complicate South Korea ’s presidential election on 9 May – a vote triggered by domestic political scandal but which has been dominated by the North and Thaad.
Moon Jae-in, a liberal former human rights lawyer who is favourite to Park Geun-hye, who was impeached , condemned Thaad’s deployment. But to disappointment of his liberal support base, he has promised only to reconsider its long-term future.
More at the link.
“People of my generation are more worried about our national security because we know what war is like,” said Kwon Ki-hwan, who was 12 when the Korean war started in 1950. “I’ve seen what happens to people during a war with my own eyes, so I support anyone who puts our security first. And that includes deploying Thaad. I would prefer peace through talks, of course, but that’s for the politicians to decide. My biggest fear is that one day we will have a second Korean war. It might be sparked by a decision made by the US, but the victims will be Koreans.”
Just and extra quote that really highlights the situation on the ground. They want North Korea gone or disarmed. They don't want it done at the expense of Korean lives such and incident would cause.
I everyone, I was playing with a friend and this situation happened
My friend casts Gonti, lord of luxury and take the card transgress the mind from my deck.
Next turn he casts transgress the mind and i respond with unsubstantiate,what i guessed would happen is that the card comes back to MY hand.
Is this correct?
That is correct, a cards owner is always the person who had it in their deck at the start of the game and will not change. If unsubstantiate counters the spell you are going to get it back in your hand.
Uh. I said remove it. Then YOU said no. Then I said add a corridor for now then clear up the rest later. And now you want to remove it? You're doing some weird gymnastics here, which was exactly the reason I bowed out the last time when you were debating.
Another correction, in the post quoted below you said it would be removed. How we are not sure potentially by magic.
I feel that it's not China who needs to worry about refugees. If the rich South is calling, do you think they will go to yet another communist state?
Well your 'feelings' are going against the historical record. Which is kinda logical as the Northern border isn't a 4KM wide Demilitarized Zone. Which is reputed to be lousey with landmines and other such nasties designed to keep the Americans and South Koreans out the North and the people from the North in.
The DMZ would be removed once North Korea falls. If there is no North Korea, there is no need for the DMZ.
Then Lithl responded saying that was going to be harder than you thought it would be bringing up Cambodia. A position I then agreed with partially but said it would likely take longer bringing up France.
To which I then said would the 'Safe corridors' would be anything but safe.
Here you then accuse me of wanting the DMZ left in place. When all I have said is that clearing would be difficult.
All of the mental gymnastics have been made on your end I am afraid. Lithl and I have been making logical inferences based on your initial claim that there would be a massive wave of people heading South and that DMZ would not be a problem.
Since the inferences we were making weren't that complimentary to you, you have attempted to attack us. Unfortunately in doing so you have at least in my mind confirmed the inference I was making, you have not got a clue what you are talking about and don't really want to consider other view points or other sources of information. Rather you would prefere to paint Lithl and myself in as poor light as possible.
So to make this more productive would you care to back up your claim that people are much more likely to go South into South Korea or continue using the Northern Route through China in the event of a collapse in North Korea.
This is all supposing that the collapse in North Korea isn't of a nature that is has turned large quantities of South Korea into a Nuclear Hellhole. Something you don't seem to worried about.
Then you'd leave it in place even in the case of a reunification after North Korea falls? Good to know you have the best interests of the Korean people at heart.
No that appears to be your position not ours, leave it in place and make some 'safe corridors' through so refugees could hopefully make their way south?
Im am in favor of removing the whole damn thing if possible and I am sure Lithl is on the same page as me. Though we are both looking at it realistically and realising that it is not going to be the simple easy task you seem to believe that it will be. So in the short term won't persuade the vast majority of people who want to leave North Korea to go South instead of crossing the Northern Border into China like they are doing at the moment.
Come on guys. Please...you're coming across as deliberately obtuse here...
You don't have to clear the entire DMZ, now do you? If you create a safe corridor you don't literally have to get rid of all the mines, now do you?
If you are willing to accept mines being moved around during rainstorms, land slips and other fun things yeah I suppose you could do that. Of course that would just mean that you would regularly have to sened minesweepers back in to clear out any new mines that have moved into your corridor. You would also have to be willing to accept people will wander out of the safe corridors in an attempt to get south and possibly into a minefield and probably not come out the other side.
This is all supposing that people don't decide that 4KM strip that is currently unusable would actually be useful as farmland and there by help feed a population that has been on very reduced rations for about 60 years.
So sure we could do what you suggest it would just be really stupid and more expensive than trying to get rid of all of them in a single sweep.
From what I was reading yesterday, the issue with the US starting a war is I am pretty sure most, if not all, of the Eastern Pacific does not want a second Korean War for one reason or another. Even if the United States were to avert nuclear warfare with Korea and keep it to a conventional war, Japan and South Korea could withdraw their support of the United States and China could cut diplomatic ties. There's a bigger picture than us vs. them, and I'm not sure the diplomatic fallout is worth the risk.
First of all, starting a second Korean War would mean the first Korean War ended. It didn't.
Second, I'm not talking about a preemptive strike.
This is one part pedantic one part disingenuous. Whilst there might not have been an official ending to the Korean War, just an armistice. That has held for 60 years successfully for us to justifiably break it something fairly significant would have to change. On current form North Korea is very good at staying just the right side of the line that military intervention is not currently justified.
For any attack not to be prememptive then North Korea has done something completely insane like actually shelled Seoul or Japan. At that point all bets are off and at that point I would not be surprised if China were the one to initiate the response.
Pretty much anything below that level of action for us to respond by going into a hot war would be seen as a prememptive strike and the US's allies in the area trying to distance themselves once they have dealt with the North Korean reprisals.
Come on. I've seen you post, certainly you don't think that I think getting rid of the DMZ does not include the clear of mines and sundry ordnance? Come on...
You don't seem to understand how difficult demining is. Egypt has successfully removed 10 million mines... but they still have more than 20 million more, some dating back to WW2. At the current demining rate of Combodia, experts estimate it'll take them 100 years to be mine-free.
Most likely even longer than that. French and Belgian farmers are still finding World War 1 shells when they plow their fields. Every so often a shells gets hit by a plow in the wrong place and WW1 adds to its death toll. Whilst the large concentrations of mines might get cleared in a century there are still going to be some lurking around in unexpected places for a very long time after that.
I feel that it's not China who needs to worry about refugees. If the rich South is calling, do you think they will go to yet another communist state?
Well your 'feelings' are going against the historical record. Which is kinda logical as the Northern border isn't a 4KM wide Demilitarized Zone. Which is reputed to be lousey with landmines and other such nasties designed to keep the Americans and South Koreans out the North and the people from the North in.
Yes, I know Korea has nukes. The implication was ICBMs, as in long-range missiles. They don't have those, as you say so yourself.
When your capital is only 35 miles away it really does not matter if North Korea has ICBMs or not. Seoul is already in range. Hell if they wanted to North Korea could stick fissionable material into artilery shells and lob them into Seoul.
The only people that worry about North Korea getting ICBMs is America cause that then means they are in range. Every one else is already sitting under the threat of someone with Nuclear weapons which is why they don't want anyone poking the nuclear armed bear.
As to China's interest it is the same one they have had for the past 60 odd years, they don't want American forces sitting on their borders or a flood of North Koreans heading north. All of which is served by keeping North Korea in place and hopefully in line.
Another instance of the American Jutice system being broken.
Rich murder suspect is freed on bail as man accused of welfare fraud stuck in jail
Joseph Warren sees no sunlight and never gets fresh air. The 60-year-old San Francisco man, locked up for more than a month, said he has become suicidal, rarely eats the jail food and tries to sleep as much as possible when he’s not crying in his small cell. As a gay man, he is afraid he will be assaulted in the shower.
Warren is awaiting trial on welfare fraud charges. Charged with stealing roughly $5,000 from the government – an accusation he denies – a judge recently set his bail at $75,000, which he can’t afford. His only options are to plead guilty or stay incarcerated.
In the same region, another criminal defendant is preparing for trial in a very different setting. Tiffany Li, a wealthy real estate heir who is accused of conspiring to murder the father of her children, is able to remain on house arrest after posting $4m in cash and pledging $62m in property for her bail. She has a multimillion-dollar mansion 10 miles south of Warren’s jail.
The parallel cases moving through the San Francisco Bay Area’s courts have shone a harsh light on a system that critics say is fundamentally flawed and unconstitutional, where wealth can buy freedom even for those accused of the most serious offenses while others facing minor charges are jailed indefinitely simply for being poor.
“It hurts. I don’t have the money,” Warren said, dressed in a bright orange uniform on a recent morning while seated inside a cramped jail visiting room in the San Francisco suburb of San Bruno. Guards stood watch nearby.
“I feel like I’m an animal here in a cage – less than an animal,” he said.
While Warren waits in jail, lawmakers and activists in California are pushing to abolish key factors of the state’s bail system so that people accused of crimes would no longer be jailed simply because they are unable to pay the fees. Supporters hope the reforms spread across the US – which has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world – and correct one of the cruelest aspects of the American criminal justice system.
More at the the link.
How the hell can you justify posting bail at 15 times the value of the amoung that might have been stolen.
The missile barrage on the empty airfield in Syria occurred while Xi Jinping was here in the states. Trumps moves are showing that he's not going to play these games, and it's making China step up and say "Maybe we should stop playing too then". 80% of North Koreas trade is with China, so when China says "enough is enough", this little dog and pony show is over.
That would be a lot more comforting if that was actually Trumps motivation behind the strike. And the strike acutually doing something useful.
As all the indications we have are that Trump doesn't think that far ahead and the strike was only good at generating headlines. Not to mention that he either deliberately lied about a Carrier groups movements or lost track of it there are very few reasons to feel to comfortable at the moment.
You seen any videos of nuclear bomb tests against Naval Squadrons? They aren't pretty.
If the Argentines get a nuclear bomb and then decide that they would like to have another go at the Falklands. I could see a Nuclear bomb making a bit of a mess of any Naval Fleet we sent down there to contest the issue. Granted it would turn the entire world against Argentina but that is not that much of a comfort if they have destroyed one of our 2 Aircraft carriers and its support fleet.
And poking a nuclear armed bear, potentially forcing him to do the one thing that you really really don't want him to do somehow makes more sense?
The current confrontational stand off has not worked.
Any form of armed escalation is going to cause a hell of a lot of casualties and embroil the US in yet another war when you are already heavily involved in 3 armed conflicts.
A Collapse of the Kim regime is going to cause chaos on the pennisular and is also very likely to result in a large number of North Korean Nuclear scientists becoming available for hire. With luck they could be quickly snapped up my a more reasonable nuclear power like China, US, UK or Russia. If we are unlucky they get picked up by one of the less stable ones like Pakistan or one that has the ambitions to get the technology but is yet to make it practical like Iran. Hell if we are really unlucky they might be picked up by a country that has so far had no ambitions of joining the nuclear club due to the expense and the lack of technical expertise, a personal fear from the UK perspective would be Argentina.
At this point something on the Korean Penisular has to change. Armed stand off has failed. Armed escalation is liable to fail worse. May be peaceful negeotiation could succeed, we won't know until it is attempted.
This the pedantic part. Yeah we know officailly the war has not ended offically. You need to overcome 60 years of inertia if you want to end that and now engage a hot war. A hot war that is going to most likely involve lobbing shells into down town Seoul with in hours if not minutes.
This is the disengenous part. North Korea has not lobbed shells/missiles at Japan or Korea. They deliberately pick stretches of Ocean in the middle of nowhere. Sure if the North Koreans were dumb enough to do the above, which is a complete break from what they have done up to now. Yeah then we could justify an attack.
But that is very unlikely to happen. What is more likely to happen is the status quo is going to continue. North Korea doing undergroung attacks and lobbing missiles into desterted areas of Ocean that if you contined the radius round in a full circle would include a large area of South Korea or Japan.
Are you willing to accept massive numbers of casualties in those areas long before you could neutralise all the North Korean artillery/Rockets? If you are not then regardless of our feelings the status quo is the best we can realisticly hope for. And then hope we can change the script with North Korea. Because news flash the threats we have used since the Korean War has not worked.
They were actually counter-productive. We effectively forced North Korea to develop Nuclear Weapons, and every time we attempt to ratchet up the pressure we confirm to them just how much they need the damn things.
After 60 years of the status quo yeah something different probably should be tried. Poking them harder is not doing something new. It is going with the status quo and attempting to turn it up to 11.
Moving it into another sphere, Iran has been able to absorb pretty much any threat directed at them and still maintained thier desire to have nuclear weapons. This did not change until Obama and others choose to change the script and actively engaged with the Iranian government on a diplomatic basis.
As the South Koreans mentioned in the article I linked above want, now there is a very real risk of nuclear weapons dropping on South Korea perhaps we should be trying to open more stable communications with North Korea and hopefully use that to peacefully convince them to disarm. Something we can't do if we keep threatening them.
For Onslaught/Mirrodin standard find one of the Goblin decks that were flying around. IIRC they managed to put up some competive numbers. For Odyssey/Onslaught UG Madness has already been mentioned but there is also Uzi(Upheaval Zombie Infestation), Psychatog and Goblin Bidding (goblin shell with Patriachs bidding for recursion).
This reeks of what the FBI and Treasury department did to Al Capone. Charge him for a relatively minor crime that they know they can make stick. And in this case I guess try and use that to leverage him into some agreement to spill the beans on what else might have gone on in the Campaign.
More at the link.
Just and extra quote that really highlights the situation on the ground. They want North Korea gone or disarmed. They don't want it done at the expense of Korean lives such and incident would cause.
That is correct, a cards owner is always the person who had it in their deck at the start of the game and will not change. If unsubstantiate counters the spell you are going to get it back in your hand.
Another correction, in the post quoted below you said it would be removed. How we are not sure potentially by magic.
Then Lithl responded saying that was going to be harder than you thought it would be bringing up Cambodia. A position I then agreed with partially but said it would likely take longer bringing up France.
You then said we were being obtuse in wanting all the landmines gone and suggested the "safe corridors".
To which I then said would the 'Safe corridors' would be anything but safe.
Here you then accuse me of wanting the DMZ left in place. When all I have said is that clearing would be difficult.
All of the mental gymnastics have been made on your end I am afraid. Lithl and I have been making logical inferences based on your initial claim that there would be a massive wave of people heading South and that DMZ would not be a problem.
Since the inferences we were making weren't that complimentary to you, you have attempted to attack us. Unfortunately in doing so you have at least in my mind confirmed the inference I was making, you have not got a clue what you are talking about and don't really want to consider other view points or other sources of information. Rather you would prefere to paint Lithl and myself in as poor light as possible.
So to make this more productive would you care to back up your claim that people are much more likely to go South into South Korea or continue using the Northern Route through China in the event of a collapse in North Korea.
This is all supposing that the collapse in North Korea isn't of a nature that is has turned large quantities of South Korea into a Nuclear Hellhole. Something you don't seem to worried about.
No that appears to be your position not ours, leave it in place and make some 'safe corridors' through so refugees could hopefully make their way south?
Im am in favor of removing the whole damn thing if possible and I am sure Lithl is on the same page as me. Though we are both looking at it realistically and realising that it is not going to be the simple easy task you seem to believe that it will be. So in the short term won't persuade the vast majority of people who want to leave North Korea to go South instead of crossing the Northern Border into China like they are doing at the moment.
If you are willing to accept mines being moved around during rainstorms, land slips and other fun things yeah I suppose you could do that. Of course that would just mean that you would regularly have to sened minesweepers back in to clear out any new mines that have moved into your corridor. You would also have to be willing to accept people will wander out of the safe corridors in an attempt to get south and possibly into a minefield and probably not come out the other side.
This is all supposing that people don't decide that 4KM strip that is currently unusable would actually be useful as farmland and there by help feed a population that has been on very reduced rations for about 60 years.
So sure we could do what you suggest it would just be really stupid and more expensive than trying to get rid of all of them in a single sweep.
This is one part pedantic one part disingenuous. Whilst there might not have been an official ending to the Korean War, just an armistice. That has held for 60 years successfully for us to justifiably break it something fairly significant would have to change. On current form North Korea is very good at staying just the right side of the line that military intervention is not currently justified.
For any attack not to be prememptive then North Korea has done something completely insane like actually shelled Seoul or Japan. At that point all bets are off and at that point I would not be surprised if China were the one to initiate the response.
Pretty much anything below that level of action for us to respond by going into a hot war would be seen as a prememptive strike and the US's allies in the area trying to distance themselves once they have dealt with the North Korean reprisals.
Most likely even longer than that. French and Belgian farmers are still finding World War 1 shells when they plow their fields. Every so often a shells gets hit by a plow in the wrong place and WW1 adds to its death toll. Whilst the large concentrations of mines might get cleared in a century there are still going to be some lurking around in unexpected places for a very long time after that.
Well your 'feelings' are going against the historical record. Which is kinda logical as the Northern border isn't a 4KM wide Demilitarized Zone. Which is reputed to be lousey with landmines and other such nasties designed to keep the Americans and South Koreans out the North and the people from the North in.
When your capital is only 35 miles away it really does not matter if North Korea has ICBMs or not. Seoul is already in range. Hell if they wanted to North Korea could stick fissionable material into artilery shells and lob them into Seoul.
The only people that worry about North Korea getting ICBMs is America cause that then means they are in range. Every one else is already sitting under the threat of someone with Nuclear weapons which is why they don't want anyone poking the nuclear armed bear.
As to China's interest it is the same one they have had for the past 60 odd years, they don't want American forces sitting on their borders or a flood of North Koreans heading north. All of which is served by keeping North Korea in place and hopefully in line.
More at the the link.
How the hell can you justify posting bail at 15 times the value of the amoung that might have been stolen.
That would be a lot more comforting if that was actually Trumps motivation behind the strike. And the strike acutually doing something useful.
As all the indications we have are that Trump doesn't think that far ahead and the strike was only good at generating headlines. Not to mention that he either deliberately lied about a Carrier groups movements or lost track of it there are very few reasons to feel to comfortable at the moment.