Wrong. Lurking, which is what he's doing, is anti-town. It's not necessarily a SCUM TELL. As I've said repeatedly, the two are not the same thing. Doesn't mean we should tolerate the other.
Sure. It's not his (the role, not jskura specifically) fault that he has a PR, and if it can end, then **** it. We don't really NEED information from him right now anyway. It can wait.
If that happens, and no one voted for him today, then he's dead. That's one instance where I will uphold Lynch All Liars.
What lie? It wouldn't even need be a lie. He's never said the PR would be removed, but just that this would trigger him if i recall correctly. We're presuming the PR goes away.
Fine, loran, vote him. HE STILL WILL NOT HAVE HIS PR TOMORROW BECAUSE IT TAKES 2 VOTES TO LOCK HIM IN FOR ANOTHER DAY.
For ****s sake, loran, chill the hell out. I don't understand why you are going so gung ho about this. And I really feel that all the "anti-town" **** is you overacting.
If we have a cop, I want loran targeted, because I'm really, REALLY, starting to think he is an SK.
Hmm good point, I need a second vote. Hey Dagger, you around? I need you to vote Jskura for my threat to be good.
loran, just drop it. You're not winning this argument, and if you vote for him, it will be seen as scummy. Period.
Sorry, you don't get to decide my vote. It'll go where I want it to.
If there were no way for the PR to end, I'd be right there with you. But there is. And I don't want to deal with the smilie translating bull**** anymore than anyone else does.
First of all, I'll translate it if necessary. Your convenience or his convenience are not excuses for antitown activity.
So lets say this day lasts another 2 weeks. You're okay with him going throughout that time and doing what he's doing? Where does it end? And heck, what if you know, he comes back tomorrow and claims to still have his PR? When DOES IT END.
Well it ends here. No more skating by.
Jskura, Contribution please in your next post or I will vote you. That's it.
A nice simple easy ultimatum. I suspect he'll understand it just fine.
loran, why are you so against waiting for tomorrow for jskura to contribute? He's prone to error with the smiley alphabet as we are prone to translation error. And I personally don't want to be the one who has to decipher it. I'm pretty sure I speak for everyone when I say that. Just give it a rest until tomorrow, okay?
No. Also, a straight translation is not prone to mistranslation - in fact its far less likely to result in inaccuracy than how he's posted, as should be obvious.
Iso, because I disagree this day should end with a lynch on Dagger, and because he most definitely needs to contribute. There is no reason why anyone should EVER get a free pass on contributing absent a clear ban on posting.
The more I read you, the more it seems less likely that you're aiming FOR Jskura, than you're aiming AWAY from Dagger.
And what have you done? Basically the same as me with a threat to vote him. Except we're close to the day when his trigger unlocks and he can openly contribute, as opposed to using that alphabet of smilies that will be as hard to read as it was to write.
I don't particularly want to spend 10 minutes discerning Jskura's posts.
I I I I. It's not all about you. We'll do the translation - as evidence see the fact that the one time he did use the smilies to talk, it was translated next post.
He's effectively at L-1. I'm set to hammer him. we only need one more vote.
That's still not a majority. Good try though.
This is very well-put, Loran.
Not really. Listen, yes it's HARD for him to talk. But that simply means that the normal reaction would be to post less - which he has. That doesn't mean he posts less and POSTS NOTHING. It means he posts a normal amount per post, but does it less often.
Instead he's super lurking and you've all given him a free pass for no other reason than "Well it's not convenient for him".
Moreover, once again, you're forgetting an earlier point I made - HE CAME INTO THIS GAME KNOWING ABOUT THE POSTING RESTRICTION. He REPLACED IN. Therefore he knew what his situation was when he got into this game and he's STILL shirking that responsibility.
This game has pretty much stalled out, and we have a town concensous on who the lynch should be. If the replacement gets here before the day ends, great.
The day's getting stale. I want it to be day 3 so its not so goddamn stale.
You know, this same logic resulted in the town losing the last game I modded. Quite stupid. You don't lynch or end a day because you think the game has stalled.
ESPECIALLY when a replacement is yet to come and there is a person we can pressure to talk.
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I tried getting SP to contribute the same way you are doing now with Jskura. It didn't work. I see no way we can force him to contribute without risking locking him down for another day.
How would you make him contribute then? If you have an idea thats not voting him, I'm all for it.
No you haven't done anything. All you've done is said "Contribute more" and then after he didn't you've said "okay, fine tomorrow then." That's not pressure, that's capitulating in his refusal to contribute.
Voting him DOES NOT hurt the town. It doesn't. The only one it hurts is SP/Jskura, who finds it harder to play. But if he wants to have it easier to play, he has to PLAY in the first place. No takebacks.
The question for you then, is why do you want to extend this day longer? We've had ample time for discussion, and have reached a conclusion.
Given that there's no majority for lynch, there is NOT a conclusion.
Moreover, Jskura still hasn't responded to my inquiry. I'd like him to do so. Its that that will decide whether I vote him or not.
If he continues to not contribute Day 3, he gets mine too.
We just need one more vote on Dagger so we can end the day and start things back up again.
Ummm why?
Kill-Joy answer these questions:
1. Why is there an urgent need to end the day? Why can't it wait for him to contribute and for a replacement to be found?
2. Why does he get to skate by today without contributing?
I've asked you the second question multiple times now; I'd prefer you quit ignoring it.
You think Jskura is trying to be the lynch today? Like, instead of Dagger?
What makes you think that?
Well he's going to get my vote. And until he's going to come in here and contribute, he's the scummiest player left, with no redeeming features whatsoever.
"Folks, this is a true statement. Unless you can come up with a compelling reason why we should not be lynching Dagger today, I see little reason for this day to drag on any longer than it already has."
"Care to explain the benefit of extending the length of the current day? Because as far as I see it, it's just a bunch of people waiting around because nobody seems to have the cajones to pull the trigger."
Already have. And with a replacement on the way and a player who isn't contributing, but CAN, what's the damn rush?
Please explain the urgency here sir.
"I don't recall anyone ever said he was. If nothing starts happening by tomorrow, you can be damn sure that my vote will be on him."
"I understand the frustration, but all this is doing is serving as a distraction."
Hardly. I think he's aiming to be the lynch of today.
Pardon me for being Captain Asspain, but I feel like that would be less motivation for him to talk. I agree that he should provide content now, however sparse. But I also feel like he'll have a lot more to say tomorrow.
This is wrong. What SP/Jskura has is something that makes it hard for him to speak. This is correct.
It does not PREVENT him from speaking, nor does it give him a reason to avoid speaking today, or even to speak less than he would normally. A PR is not a license to lurk; it is something to play around.
If he continues in this behavior, I will vote him, and will urge others to wagon him, because at best he's being anti-town, and in reality he's likely to actually BE anti-town (the two things are not the same).
Moreover, if we want him to contribute, we actually need to be willing to threaten him in some way. This is that way. If he wants to play mafia without the PR, he needs to play mafia WITH the PR first. If he doesn't, well, I'm serious.
@Jskura: If you can, when you see a scummy post, quote it and tell us you see it as scummy, or a townie post if you see it as townie. Also keep us updated on a scum/town list from you, as you can't talk.
No. This isn't enough and STOP ENABLING HIM.
We want a full list from you with explanations using the letter guide that you've used once before. There's no excuse - YOU CAN TALK, its just a pain. You know I'd have felt some sympathy for Silent Prophet lurking - he didn't know what he was getting into. You on the other hand, knew what you were replacing into. Therefore you have no excuse for not giving us any content.
Indeed, as already noted, you're not just giving no content, you're LURKING while giving no content.
Put up some info, or I will vote you.
@Kill-Joy, He can bloody talk, he's just too freaking lazy. There's no reason not to vote him if he continues this course of behavior - removing his PR only serves as a convenience, not as a boon to the town.
Thundersnow, I'd disagree with Iso. I started in a normal and while i was clearly out of my depth on day 1 (Funny story, I claimed on page 1), you learn fast.
Basics and minis are easier to start with, but if a normal interests you....go for it.
This is getting ridiculous.
Actually, you know what. Let's have some fun here:
Manders, why is Dagger scum. Please explain. And with actual logic, not "so and so is town and thinks he's scum".
It's a faulty comparison. Reya has contributed enough for me to make conclusions on his alignment, while Jskura...not so much.
Reya should contribute more. But I'm pretty confident he's town.
Wrong. Lurking, which is what he's doing, is anti-town. It's not necessarily a SCUM TELL. As I've said repeatedly, the two are not the same thing. Doesn't mean we should tolerate the other.
What lie? It wouldn't even need be a lie. He's never said the PR would be removed, but just that this would trigger him if i recall correctly. We're presuming the PR goes away.
Hmm good point, I need a second vote. Hey Dagger, you around? I need you to vote Jskura for my threat to be good.
Sorry, you don't get to decide my vote. It'll go where I want it to.
First of all, I'll translate it if necessary. Your convenience or his convenience are not excuses for antitown activity.
So lets say this day lasts another 2 weeks. You're okay with him going throughout that time and doing what he's doing? Where does it end? And heck, what if you know, he comes back tomorrow and claims to still have his PR? When DOES IT END.
Well it ends here. No more skating by.
Jskura, Contribution please in your next post or I will vote you. That's it.
A nice simple easy ultimatum. I suspect he'll understand it just fine.
No. Also, a straight translation is not prone to mistranslation - in fact its far less likely to result in inaccuracy than how he's posted, as should be obvious.
Iso, because I disagree this day should end with a lynch on Dagger, and because he most definitely needs to contribute. There is no reason why anyone should EVER get a free pass on contributing absent a clear ban on posting.
I I I I. It's not all about you. We'll do the translation - as evidence see the fact that the one time he did use the smilies to talk, it was translated next post.
That's still not a majority. Good try though.
Not really. Listen, yes it's HARD for him to talk. But that simply means that the normal reaction would be to post less - which he has. That doesn't mean he posts less and POSTS NOTHING. It means he posts a normal amount per post, but does it less often.
Instead he's super lurking and you've all given him a free pass for no other reason than "Well it's not convenient for him".
Moreover, once again, you're forgetting an earlier point I made - HE CAME INTO THIS GAME KNOWING ABOUT THE POSTING RESTRICTION. He REPLACED IN. Therefore he knew what his situation was when he got into this game and he's STILL shirking that responsibility.
You know, this same logic resulted in the town losing the last game I modded. Quite stupid. You don't lynch or end a day because you think the game has stalled.
ESPECIALLY when a replacement is yet to come and there is a person we can pressure to talk.
No you haven't done anything. All you've done is said "Contribute more" and then after he didn't you've said "okay, fine tomorrow then." That's not pressure, that's capitulating in his refusal to contribute.
Voting him DOES NOT hurt the town. It doesn't. The only one it hurts is SP/Jskura, who finds it harder to play. But if he wants to have it easier to play, he has to PLAY in the first place. No takebacks.
Given that there's no majority for lynch, there is NOT a conclusion.
Moreover, Jskura still hasn't responded to my inquiry. I'd like him to do so. Its that that will decide whether I vote him or not.
Ummm why?
Kill-Joy answer these questions:
1. Why is there an urgent need to end the day? Why can't it wait for him to contribute and for a replacement to be found?
2. Why does he get to skate by today without contributing?
I've asked you the second question multiple times now; I'd prefer you quit ignoring it.
Well he's going to get my vote. And until he's going to come in here and contribute, he's the scummiest player left, with no redeeming features whatsoever.
Already have. And with a replacement on the way and a player who isn't contributing, but CAN, what's the damn rush?
Please explain the urgency here sir.
Hardly. I think he's aiming to be the lynch of today.
This is wrong. What SP/Jskura has is something that makes it hard for him to speak. This is correct.
It does not PREVENT him from speaking, nor does it give him a reason to avoid speaking today, or even to speak less than he would normally. A PR is not a license to lurk; it is something to play around.
If he continues in this behavior, I will vote him, and will urge others to wagon him, because at best he's being anti-town, and in reality he's likely to actually BE anti-town (the two things are not the same).
Moreover, if we want him to contribute, we actually need to be willing to threaten him in some way. This is that way. If he wants to play mafia without the PR, he needs to play mafia WITH the PR first. If he doesn't, well, I'm serious.
No. This isn't enough and STOP ENABLING HIM.
We want a full list from you with explanations using the letter guide that you've used once before. There's no excuse - YOU CAN TALK, its just a pain. You know I'd have felt some sympathy for Silent Prophet lurking - he didn't know what he was getting into. You on the other hand, knew what you were replacing into. Therefore you have no excuse for not giving us any content.
Indeed, as already noted, you're not just giving no content, you're LURKING while giving no content.
Put up some info, or I will vote you.
@Kill-Joy, He can bloody talk, he's just too freaking lazy. There's no reason not to vote him if he continues this course of behavior - removing his PR only serves as a convenience, not as a boon to the town.
Enough. Contribute please. FOS JSkura. Or I WILL Vote you.
Use the letter guide to post some thoughts, such as who is scum, who is town, why, etc. A long post.
It's not like you're posting constantly; lurking while contributing nothing is unacceptable.
Thundersnow, I'd disagree with Iso. I started in a normal and while i was clearly out of my depth on day 1 (Funny story, I claimed on page 1), you learn fast.
Basics and minis are easier to start with, but if a normal interests you....go for it.