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bubba0077 posted a message on (False) [M13] New sub-rarities?Even if they were to do this (and I don't think they ever will), they wouldn't make the super-uncommon as frequent as rares; it would be somewhere between the other uncommons and the rares.Posted in: Rumor Mill Archive - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
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It's tempting to look at Lair based on current value. Thalia has already dropped to $5 for NM copies on TCG in advance of this printing. Foils can now be found for around $10. This set is doubling the number of printings/versions from 4 to 8, so should expect to see significant drops in existing inventory as a result even with a limited print run - especially given the heads up to anyone interested in buying.
Encourage anyone thinking about Lairs in terms of current market value to go back and look at card prices before and after printings. Similar to other reprints existing cards take a huge beating with these things.
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Unfortunately Wizards continues to show disregard for artwork significance, for example the recent Battlebond reprint of Land Tax which up until now was only featured on the Judge Promo. The watermark will still be unique but in my opinion these types of identical artwork reprints lead me to stay away from Judge promos (and for that matter all pricey promo cards), unless for other reasons we think they will be unique.
The promos that are relatively safe pickups are the ones on the reserve list, such as Yawgmoth's Will, Wheel of Fortune,
Survival of the Fittest, Gaea's Cradle, Intuition, Thawing Glaciers, Natural Order, Phyrexian Dreadnought, etc - especially as some will be the only printing with new borders, thanks to the loophole they used for a few years with Judge Promos and FTV sets.
Yes, you could make a case for the unique cards, example the old border promos, the Elesh Norn with alternate font, or the basic land set done a few years back. But these are not guaranteed - I could see them doing a Masters set one year with old borders as a throw back - and using the exact same art as many of the judge promos. Noble Hierarch would plummet in value overnight if that occurred, so anyone that bought a $300 copy would not be happy.
Even if they choose alternate art, the reprint quantity and style hugely affects, for example Wasteland was close to $300 at one point, and then they reprinted it twice within a year - both new art but same border style - in eternal masters and another judge promo. The original Judge Promo now sits at less than $100.
So unless the card is really unique, you believe it still stay unique, or is on the reserved list, I would stay away from Judge Promos as a collectible / investment.
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Came here to say the same. My guess is 614.11 will be updated with an additional clause that applies to a groups of cards first, then to individual cards. Makes the most sense in my initial thinking on it, but we'll see what they do.
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What? No... no... The secondary market is a multi-million dollar market. Stores make money from reserved cards. Their inventory helps pay the bills.. like energy and mortgage types of bills. Small store owners have invested thousands of dollars in inventory - removing the list would demolish confidence in Wizards. Not saying I like the list either, but the value of all cards - reserve and non-reserved - is held up by confidence in how Wizards carefully manages card production - including honoring agreements.
Judges suing Wizards may sound like trying to get things for free, but it's really really really important to uphold employer-employee laws. Without them we have easy ways to exploit "volunteers" and further diminish working jobs / wages for sake of corporate profits. Corporations can do great things - but it's enforced law, and not ethics - that protect worker and citizen rights. Anyone that's attended a major event can see the effort a judge puts in. It's actually a testament to high nice and friendly the judge community is that this didn't happen until now. It's been wrong for years...
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But my advice - if your friends can't find them anywhere else, be a pal, sell them, and play a day of sealed. Whatever you have left you can keep for the future... you can still shop around town if you want to get the full-art lands, and if not the next set you can load up at MSRP - the final set is opened less than the original, and expedition/chase promos may be there too. You'll have another chance to invest for the 3-7 year period if you want.
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Thundermaw on the other hand is more than just flying damage, it's flying tapping as well (even for shroud/hexproof), which means for all but reach creatures it's also unblockable with haste. Stormbreath on the other hand can be chump blocked by all but white creatures.
Situationally Stormbreath gets around white spells, which is very relevant, but for long-term market impacts, all-around good creatures usually trump situationally better creatures with a single color protection.