I want to take a serious look at Anak. Cyan's pushing him/her hard, and I think it's time we actually did something. (Also, GJ, it's not super feasible to make long posts using multi-quote. The posts get far too long for anyone to read and simply being able to refer to post numbers suits my re-reading style much better. If I need to quote a bunch of your posts in future I'll figure out an alternative way. In the meantime, blame Curse, I guess?)
#15 is an RVS post, but not one I'm a particular fan of. The "Vote Tom" is completely disconnected from the apparently serious question of D_V's trolling. It all feels a bit nervous.
In #93, he/she seems genuinely unconcerned about being scumread.
#108 is Anak's initial overreaction to Cyan. There are two points worth mentioning here. First, Anak isn't really concerned about Cyan's "weaksauce" reasoning - he/she's concerned at being the target of that reasoning. Second, the post over which Cyan voted (#102) isn't particularly noteworthy. So why is Anak so upset? One possibility, as I speculated earlier, is that Anak and Cyan are both scum and that Anak is frustrated that Cyan is already busing him over effectively nothing. The other option is that Cyan somehow nailed Anak, and Anak is upset because he/she doesn't feel his/her behavior merited being singled out. I don't see a town mindset here.
#251 also concerns Cyan's vote. It's a complete over-justification - if Anak knew it was "looking for a reaction" and "called it as [he/she] saw it" then he/she clearly wouldn't have given Cyan exactly the reaction he wanted.
#462 is an interesting post, and I would welcome feedback on my interpretation. The take on Shadow is a bit-part piece of analysis of a bit-part player. The question to Tom is empty, as if Anak knows Tom well enough to know that he doesn't usually have a handle on games early, he also knows when he's likely to start taking stronger positions. The read on Wildfire feels a bit like glomming onto my position, but the comment to the effect that "I polish my posts carefully as scum" seems extremely townie. I don't think scum make comments to this effect (i.e. actively point to their own playstyle). And even if they do, I think they're likely to tell the truth (actively drawing attention to your own scum meta and then blatantly lying about it isn't a great move). So I'm going to assume that scum-Anak does overthink his posts, and if there's one thing I can say about Anak's posts thus far, it's that they don't seem overthought. They seem much more visceral and emotional, rather than overly wrought.
#654 shows that Anak still has this strange fixation on Cyan. Feels a bit like scum trying to assuage Cyan's earlier read.
#755, as I've mentioned earlier, is a bad post given that Anak hasn't mentioned Bur all game and is now not "dissuaded" by his/her claim.
#775 reads as spreading disinformation. We also know that Anak has a strong claim, town or scum.
Through #847, #854, and #950, I'm town, GJ is town, and Cyan is probably town. Looks like Anak is having real trouble coming up with scum reads. This could be because he/she is cautious scum, but it's also entirely possible that he/she simply doesn't have a good handle on the game. I've felt that at times too thus far, so it's certainly not an unreasonable position to hold.
In #1052 Anak says he/she "still" supports a Bur lynch and still believes Tordeck to be scum. These views feel a bit fabricated as they only really arose in conjunction with their respective wagons.
#1167 I think is a legitimately good post filled with analysis. I don't agree with most of it, but it reads like a genuine attempt to scumhunt.
Wrapping up, I feel super conflicted. There's the weird fixation with Cyan, which feels a bit like a scum pocket attempt after that initial overreaction. On the other hand, there's that mid-D1 self-meta-read which just doesn't really fit his/her play this game, and there's the start of D2 where he/she seems to be making a genuine effort. I do think this looks pretty bad for Iso, though, whose "kill it with fire" read on Anak looks like an attempt to gloss over a genuinely complicated set of posts and throw his weight behind the wagon. Unvote. Vote Iso.
I really want to look at Iso's most recent post, but that'll have to wait until later.
As for the town/scum list, I don't have any real interest in posting one. I just invested a big chunk of time into developing my scum reads yesterday, they're there for all to see, and I'd much rather people engage with that content.
Let's have a look back, now that we know Bur's alignment.
D_V's #53 looks pretty good, as the "legitimately" shows evidence of genuine consideration. Scum don't tend to mentally equivocate over a read.
I don't like Iso's #127. It feels like he's piggybacking off my #125, and I would expect Iso to give us more than this. I also don't buy the certainty in #136. Again, Iso's a good player, and these posts read much more like "I've decided to formulate an opinion" than anything else.
I brought it up at the time, but Tom's #143 looks even worse in retrospect. It's a classic scum move - acknowledge that some townie's behavior is scummy, but find a reason not to vote them. If Tom were town I would expect him to suggest an alternate direction.
It's interesting that Iso waffles on Tom in #148. Possible scumbuddy interaction. Tom's reply in #174 is also worth looking at (see #302 as well) - he seems overly keen to make it clear that he's not "going up to bat for" Bur. When in fact he is doing exactly that, and should be fine with acknowledging that he is.
It is to Iso's credit in #198 that he points out Tom is defending Bur, but not trying to offer any plausible direction of his own.
GJ first expresses an opinion about Bur in #314. I think he/she should have more of an opinion (or at least a justification for that null read) given that he/she has made a bunch of posts and spent a lot of time talking to Tom, whose main contribution to this point is "defending" Bur.
The first real action on Bur are Manders' #569 and #580. They seem a bit too aggressive(ly dumb) to be scum.
And then, whowouldathunkit? GJ suddenly develops a scumread on Bur and votes him/her in #592 and #594, respectively. I particularly love how this change of heart is described as a "fun fact." He/she is also at pains to emphasize that this isn't a particularly strong scum read (see #597, but if that's the case, why not vote for someone you actually think is scum? Then, once Manders unvotes Bur, meaning it's safe to take an even stronger stand, GJ's #694 does everything but say "look, obvscum over here!" The crux of the issue is that GJ's opinion of Bur is completely malleable according to what else is going on in the game, and has literally nothing to do with what Bur has/hasn't actually done.
#655 is a sneaky vote by Shadowlancer. The joke could be a deflection, too. This is undercut totally by #728, so much so that I actually did a complete 180 on his/her alignment.
Did Seppel just declare himself scum and announce his NK thinking in #696? (Note the terrible Bur vote too.)
GJ's #726 is another straight /barn of Manders. #727 is an attempt to justify the vote after-the-fact by latching onto Manders' frustration and apathy.
Iso's #749 is a really scummy post. It reeks of a) appearing to take a position; b) not actually taking a position; and c) wanting to be seen as producing content. Not to mention the point I made earlier, that Iso ought to have a better scum read than someone who's made 6 or 7 posts total, and ought to want to convince others of the validity of that read. #753 is more of the same, except with the added issue that Iso isn't even concerned about getting NK'd.
Anak's #755 is bad, given that he/she hasn't even mentioned Bur to this point and yet isn't "dissuaded" by the claim. Good on Manders for thinking the same thing in #778.
Wildfire's (slightly naive) concern about "outing power roles" in #769 reads as town to me.
Tom's vote in #773 is opportunistic. It comes just as the pressure on Bur is beginning to subside.
GJ's #784 is an interesting one. I'm not sure how much scum want to invite pressure. However, it's low risk as the pressure on him/her is minimal, and it provides a distraction from having to advocate for pushing town over the edge. Once I do begin to attack him/her, he/she uses the opportunity to push the narrative of "consistently pushing" the Bur wagon, a narrative I debunk in #807. GJ's actions do not add up from a town perspective. He/she claims to believe that Bur and Anak are both scum and he/she is simply torn between them. And yet, he/she has done nothing all game to advance either wagon. Anak has just been scum for no discernible reason, while Bur has been scum whenever there's sufficient pressure. Now that there's a chance to actually lynch one of these two "scum," he/she is spending time and energy attacking me? And then we come to #1004, where GJ pulls a 180 and gets upset that I've distracted from a Bur lynch. So what's caused the change of heart? The main "development" is that Tom - coincidentally (?) my other top scumread - has fallen under scrutiny. No slam dunk, but certainly very intriguing.
Cythare's #788 is very equivocal. I've had a low-level bad feeling about him/her for the whole game, and this post does nothing to assuage that.
I didn't really notice Tom's #829 the first time round, but upon review it's an absolutely meaningless post. Can't get any more obvious than "theorizing" that the same people who vote less and post less are also likely to empower less.
Iso's #919 is notable in that Iso has already declared himself OK with a Bur lynch. Yet, there is nothing here to suggest that Bur is the scummiest player in the game through post #300 (which Iso claims to have read up to). His comment on Bur's opening post is particularly noteworthy. I agree that the post in question is "devoid of feeling," but that isn't really a tell, and then the questioning of Bur's question to D_V seems forced. More importantly, if I were town-Iso, I'd want to read the whole game and stamp my authority on it, not just go along with a lynch based on a few moderately scummy posts by a player very early in the game.
GJ's callout to "Bur's team" in #988 feels forced. I'm not sure how Bur posting more as soon as the pressure's off is a scumtell, but GJ seems to think it is (more likely he/she "found" a reason to go nuts on Bur). Then there's #992, where he/she seems way too sure that Sir Chris is town, particularly given that Sir Chris hasn't done anything in hundreds of posts. The whole "lolswolf" and "veteran wolf" theorycrafting is just fluff masquerading as scumhunting.
I'm not a fan of Cythare's #1016. It's engaging with my post without engaging with the substance of it.
I think Iso has produced only one townie post the whole game, and that trend continues in #1050. He finally votes after being "on board" with a Bur lynch for ages, but is also at pains to remind us that he's only read 500 posts thus far. #1086 effectively reads "look how hard I'm trying to seem like I'm not paying attention!"
Moving on to Day 2, GJ's #1115 is another bad vote. Recall how he spent he/she spent the latter half of Day 1 claiming that he/she was torn between Bur and Anak. Now that Anak's getting some pressure, it's time to vote WF? #1152 is also total BS given that Tom has probably said 20 times that he's looking to be read as mildly scummy. The list that follows is probably OK, but it's quite noncommittal.
Cythare's #1183 is either naive or scummy. I've seen plenty of scumlists that way, regardless of alignment.
So, let's recap. I don't think my reads have changed that much from D1. GJ is still my top scum pick, followed by Tom. Then probably Iso and Cythare. Anak is possible, but I don't think he's near the top of the list right now. Vote GJ.
I'm going to make a real post (with a look at the Bur wagon, and possibly Anak) later. For the time being, I should probably let everyone know that I'm now a miller.
Let's be honest here TIM: The big three points for him being a wolf were 1. No conscious effort. 2. No attempt to try and solve the game and then 3. Defeatism. Pressure shifted off of him and still nothing happened. You could dismiss all three of those points if Bur was under pressure 24/7 since the thread began. But he chose to do nothing. Even if he dodged it today, are you going to tell me he doesn't POE short of a peek or vig shot in the night?
I'd ******* do it again. It's easy to catch, and townies should never be in that mindset.
I don't condone not trying, but it isn't a scumtell. Calling defeatism a scumtell is woefully simplistic, and in this case it made total sense for Bur to act in a defeatist manner given the aforementioned not trying. He/she could have perked up later when there's more going on and the game is easier to get your teeth into. Your point might make a shred of sense if there weren't other players in the game who had committed real honest to god scumtells. But there were plenty of them.
It's hard not to get incredibly annoyed when you wake up to see someone lynched when there clearly wasn't a strong case. I've been saying this for ages. I mean sure, he/she played a poor game but the mislynch is the fault of a bunch of people who completely overlooked that the defeatism wasn't alignment indicative and weren't even willing to present an actual case, despite my repeated protestations. Manders in particular has been a huge obstacle to actual, real behavioral analysis, what with imploring people to vote Bur over and over without even being able to make a logical argument as to why. It's even more frustrating because I think she's more than likely town.
That's pretty embarrassing/upsetting if it is indeed a lynch. Bur has barely done anything all game, and no one could even be bothered to present an actual case. Just pure laziness. If he/she is scum you guys just got lucky, pure and simple.
Cythare, I don't believe Anak and Tom can be scum together.
I want to reiterate that Tom's interaction with D_V isn't slam-dunk scum. As Manders correctly points out, it's too complicated. But there's nothing townie about it either, and plenty of reason to believe it's scummy. It's just yet another reason to believe Tom is scum.
GJ, do remind me how "doing anything" is a scumtell.
I think the thread grinding to a halt is another bad sign for Tom. His buddies probably aren't willing to make a huge racket because it's unclear what's going to happen. They don't want to bus him over the edge, but they also don't want to defend him too vociferously.
The analysis of Tom's behavior gets complicated quite quickly and it's tough to make a really airtight case there. I also accept that Tom approaches the game differently to me. That being said, I still don't view his interactions with D_V as townie, and the more I think about it the more I find myself organically retracing my own logic in #943. Plus I don't think Tom has looked great all game. Unvote. Vote tomsloger.
As for the other players, Anak, Sir Chris, and Axelrod stand out to me. I think Anak showed too much conviction in his/her defense of Tom in #940. I'll admit that this does have me worried. Sir Chris is bouncing around, and I'm only following his logic in fits and spurts. Axelrod also seems to have changed his mind in #982, but there's quite a lot going on so some level of reevaluation is probably natural.
Finally, there's Bur. I still don't get what the big deal is and I'm waiting to be convinced (I'll admit that a quick re-read is in order). Sure, he/she made a few scummy posts very early on. But I don't think the post-claim defeatism is alignment indicative given that he/she wasn't invested enough in the game at that point to care about getting lynched, and that seems to be the cornerstone of most people's cases right now.
Town points to GJ! I intentionally left out any connections between players I had noticed as part of the possible team elimination process.
Seriously, guys - how do any of you think he's scum?
I'll be including something on team possibilities when I wrap up.
There's a good amount to comment on later today but this is so, so dumb. Saying "I usually do X, town points to anyone who notices what I didn't do" is effectively the same as "Who's read one of my walls of text recently and can be bothered to critically read this one?"
If he had said that to me and I was scum I would have immediately went to the thread and ratted him out with no hesitation.
We're either talking past each other or you're being purposely obtuse. Presumably D_V didn't say "right now" - that was my emphasis added. A neutral who knows Tom's alignment is not good for the scum, regardless of whom he/she wants to "win with." Why would a neutral hesitate to rat out Tom and win "with the town" if that eventually becomes easier?
D_V, is there any way Tom could have misunderstood what was going on or your threat to rat him out? Because "what are you even talking about?" doesn't seem like the appropriate response from a town perspective. I would expect something more like "go right ahead dude."
I'm just not on the same page as Sir Chris, like whatsoever. He says he wants the scum to win right now, but he's a ******* survivor who seems to know he's scum. You're telling me you wouldn't be nervous?
D_V, you threatened to rat Tom out? And he responded with "What are you talking about?"
See Tom only is nervous if he lied to us about believing him, which he could have done, but you can't use Tom's word as being good and then say "why would he do x"
The world where Tom believes him and Tom is nervous do not co-exist.
Oh but they do! Let's say Tom believes D_V is a neutral survivor who seems to know he's scum. What's to stop D_V ratting him out to the town in the future?
#15 is an RVS post, but not one I'm a particular fan of. The "Vote Tom" is completely disconnected from the apparently serious question of D_V's trolling. It all feels a bit nervous.
In #93, he/she seems genuinely unconcerned about being scumread.
#108 is Anak's initial overreaction to Cyan. There are two points worth mentioning here. First, Anak isn't really concerned about Cyan's "weaksauce" reasoning - he/she's concerned at being the target of that reasoning. Second, the post over which Cyan voted (#102) isn't particularly noteworthy. So why is Anak so upset? One possibility, as I speculated earlier, is that Anak and Cyan are both scum and that Anak is frustrated that Cyan is already busing him over effectively nothing. The other option is that Cyan somehow nailed Anak, and Anak is upset because he/she doesn't feel his/her behavior merited being singled out. I don't see a town mindset here.
#251 also concerns Cyan's vote. It's a complete over-justification - if Anak knew it was "looking for a reaction" and "called it as [he/she] saw it" then he/she clearly wouldn't have given Cyan exactly the reaction he wanted.
#462 is an interesting post, and I would welcome feedback on my interpretation. The take on Shadow is a bit-part piece of analysis of a bit-part player. The question to Tom is empty, as if Anak knows Tom well enough to know that he doesn't usually have a handle on games early, he also knows when he's likely to start taking stronger positions. The read on Wildfire feels a bit like glomming onto my position, but the comment to the effect that "I polish my posts carefully as scum" seems extremely townie. I don't think scum make comments to this effect (i.e. actively point to their own playstyle). And even if they do, I think they're likely to tell the truth (actively drawing attention to your own scum meta and then blatantly lying about it isn't a great move). So I'm going to assume that scum-Anak does overthink his posts, and if there's one thing I can say about Anak's posts thus far, it's that they don't seem overthought. They seem much more visceral and emotional, rather than overly wrought.
#654 shows that Anak still has this strange fixation on Cyan. Feels a bit like scum trying to assuage Cyan's earlier read.
#755, as I've mentioned earlier, is a bad post given that Anak hasn't mentioned Bur all game and is now not "dissuaded" by his/her claim.
#775 reads as spreading disinformation. We also know that Anak has a strong claim, town or scum.
Through #847, #854, and #950, I'm town, GJ is town, and Cyan is probably town. Looks like Anak is having real trouble coming up with scum reads. This could be because he/she is cautious scum, but it's also entirely possible that he/she simply doesn't have a good handle on the game. I've felt that at times too thus far, so it's certainly not an unreasonable position to hold.
In #1052 Anak says he/she "still" supports a Bur lynch and still believes Tordeck to be scum. These views feel a bit fabricated as they only really arose in conjunction with their respective wagons.
#1167 I think is a legitimately good post filled with analysis. I don't agree with most of it, but it reads like a genuine attempt to scumhunt.
Wrapping up, I feel super conflicted. There's the weird fixation with Cyan, which feels a bit like a scum pocket attempt after that initial overreaction. On the other hand, there's that mid-D1 self-meta-read which just doesn't really fit his/her play this game, and there's the start of D2 where he/she seems to be making a genuine effort. I do think this looks pretty bad for Iso, though, whose "kill it with fire" read on Anak looks like an attempt to gloss over a genuinely complicated set of posts and throw his weight behind the wagon. Unvote. Vote Iso.
As for the town/scum list, I don't have any real interest in posting one. I just invested a big chunk of time into developing my scum reads yesterday, they're there for all to see, and I'd much rather people engage with that content.
D_V's #53 looks pretty good, as the "legitimately" shows evidence of genuine consideration. Scum don't tend to mentally equivocate over a read.
I don't like Iso's #127. It feels like he's piggybacking off my #125, and I would expect Iso to give us more than this. I also don't buy the certainty in #136. Again, Iso's a good player, and these posts read much more like "I've decided to formulate an opinion" than anything else.
I brought it up at the time, but Tom's #143 looks even worse in retrospect. It's a classic scum move - acknowledge that some townie's behavior is scummy, but find a reason not to vote them. If Tom were town I would expect him to suggest an alternate direction.
It's interesting that Iso waffles on Tom in #148. Possible scumbuddy interaction. Tom's reply in #174 is also worth looking at (see #302 as well) - he seems overly keen to make it clear that he's not "going up to bat for" Bur. When in fact he is doing exactly that, and should be fine with acknowledging that he is.
It is to Iso's credit in #198 that he points out Tom is defending Bur, but not trying to offer any plausible direction of his own.
GJ first expresses an opinion about Bur in #314. I think he/she should have more of an opinion (or at least a justification for that null read) given that he/she has made a bunch of posts and spent a lot of time talking to Tom, whose main contribution to this point is "defending" Bur.
The first real action on Bur are Manders' #569 and #580. They seem a bit too aggressive(ly dumb) to be scum.
And then, whowouldathunkit? GJ suddenly develops a scumread on Bur and votes him/her in #592 and #594, respectively. I particularly love how this change of heart is described as a "fun fact." He/she is also at pains to emphasize that this isn't a particularly strong scum read (see #597, but if that's the case, why not vote for someone you actually think is scum? Then, once Manders unvotes Bur, meaning it's safe to take an even stronger stand, GJ's #694 does everything but say "look, obvscum over here!" The crux of the issue is that GJ's opinion of Bur is completely malleable according to what else is going on in the game, and has literally nothing to do with what Bur has/hasn't actually done.
#655 is a sneaky vote by Shadowlancer. The joke could be a deflection, too. This is undercut totally by #728, so much so that I actually did a complete 180 on his/her alignment.
Did Seppel just declare himself scum and announce his NK thinking in #696? (Note the terrible Bur vote too.)
GJ's #726 is another straight /barn of Manders. #727 is an attempt to justify the vote after-the-fact by latching onto Manders' frustration and apathy.
Iso's #749 is a really scummy post. It reeks of a) appearing to take a position; b) not actually taking a position; and c) wanting to be seen as producing content. Not to mention the point I made earlier, that Iso ought to have a better scum read than someone who's made 6 or 7 posts total, and ought to want to convince others of the validity of that read. #753 is more of the same, except with the added issue that Iso isn't even concerned about getting NK'd.
Anak's #755 is bad, given that he/she hasn't even mentioned Bur to this point and yet isn't "dissuaded" by the claim. Good on Manders for thinking the same thing in #778.
Wildfire's (slightly naive) concern about "outing power roles" in #769 reads as town to me.
Tom's vote in #773 is opportunistic. It comes just as the pressure on Bur is beginning to subside.
GJ's #784 is an interesting one. I'm not sure how much scum want to invite pressure. However, it's low risk as the pressure on him/her is minimal, and it provides a distraction from having to advocate for pushing town over the edge. Once I do begin to attack him/her, he/she uses the opportunity to push the narrative of "consistently pushing" the Bur wagon, a narrative I debunk in #807. GJ's actions do not add up from a town perspective. He/she claims to believe that Bur and Anak are both scum and he/she is simply torn between them. And yet, he/she has done nothing all game to advance either wagon. Anak has just been scum for no discernible reason, while Bur has been scum whenever there's sufficient pressure. Now that there's a chance to actually lynch one of these two "scum," he/she is spending time and energy attacking me? And then we come to #1004, where GJ pulls a 180 and gets upset that I've distracted from a Bur lynch. So what's caused the change of heart? The main "development" is that Tom - coincidentally (?) my other top scumread - has fallen under scrutiny. No slam dunk, but certainly very intriguing.
Cythare's #788 is very equivocal. I've had a low-level bad feeling about him/her for the whole game, and this post does nothing to assuage that.
I didn't really notice Tom's #829 the first time round, but upon review it's an absolutely meaningless post. Can't get any more obvious than "theorizing" that the same people who vote less and post less are also likely to empower less.
Iso's #919 is notable in that Iso has already declared himself OK with a Bur lynch. Yet, there is nothing here to suggest that Bur is the scummiest player in the game through post #300 (which Iso claims to have read up to). His comment on Bur's opening post is particularly noteworthy. I agree that the post in question is "devoid of feeling," but that isn't really a tell, and then the questioning of Bur's question to D_V seems forced. More importantly, if I were town-Iso, I'd want to read the whole game and stamp my authority on it, not just go along with a lynch based on a few moderately scummy posts by a player very early in the game.
GJ's callout to "Bur's team" in #988 feels forced. I'm not sure how Bur posting more as soon as the pressure's off is a scumtell, but GJ seems to think it is (more likely he/she "found" a reason to go nuts on Bur). Then there's #992, where he/she seems way too sure that Sir Chris is town, particularly given that Sir Chris hasn't done anything in hundreds of posts. The whole "lolswolf" and "veteran wolf" theorycrafting is just fluff masquerading as scumhunting.
I'm not a fan of Cythare's #1016. It's engaging with my post without engaging with the substance of it.
I think Iso has produced only one townie post the whole game, and that trend continues in #1050. He finally votes after being "on board" with a Bur lynch for ages, but is also at pains to remind us that he's only read 500 posts thus far. #1086 effectively reads "look how hard I'm trying to seem like I'm not paying attention!"
Moving on to Day 2, GJ's #1115 is another bad vote. Recall how he spent he/she spent the latter half of Day 1 claiming that he/she was torn between Bur and Anak. Now that Anak's getting some pressure, it's time to vote WF? #1152 is also total BS given that Tom has probably said 20 times that he's looking to be read as mildly scummy. The list that follows is probably OK, but it's quite noncommittal.
Cythare's #1183 is either naive or scummy. I've seen plenty of scumlists that way, regardless of alignment.
So, let's recap. I don't think my reads have changed that much from D1. GJ is still my top scum pick, followed by Tom. Then probably Iso and Cythare. Anak is possible, but I don't think he's near the top of the list right now. Vote GJ.
I want to reiterate that Tom's interaction with D_V isn't slam-dunk scum. As Manders correctly points out, it's too complicated. But there's nothing townie about it either, and plenty of reason to believe it's scummy. It's just yet another reason to believe Tom is scum.
GJ, do remind me how "doing anything" is a scumtell.
The analysis of Tom's behavior gets complicated quite quickly and it's tough to make a really airtight case there. I also accept that Tom approaches the game differently to me. That being said, I still don't view his interactions with D_V as townie, and the more I think about it the more I find myself organically retracing my own logic in #943. Plus I don't think Tom has looked great all game. Unvote. Vote tomsloger.
As for the other players, Anak, Sir Chris, and Axelrod stand out to me. I think Anak showed too much conviction in his/her defense of Tom in #940. I'll admit that this does have me worried. Sir Chris is bouncing around, and I'm only following his logic in fits and spurts. Axelrod also seems to have changed his mind in #982, but there's quite a lot going on so some level of reevaluation is probably natural.
Finally, there's Bur. I still don't get what the big deal is and I'm waiting to be convinced (I'll admit that a quick re-read is in order). Sure, he/she made a few scummy posts very early on. But I don't think the post-claim defeatism is alignment indicative given that he/she wasn't invested enough in the game at that point to care about getting lynched, and that seems to be the cornerstone of most people's cases right now.
D_V, is there any way Tom could have misunderstood what was going on or your threat to rat him out? Because "what are you even talking about?" doesn't seem like the appropriate response from a town perspective. I would expect something more like "go right ahead dude."
D_V, you threatened to rat Tom out? And he responded with "What are you talking about?"