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Looks more like an 'e' to me. (Jace)
Quote from KirblarWarchief, Decree of Justice, and the Storm cards.
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the format is fine, why is everyone acting like it wouldn't be diverse. Last extended season we had hive mind, scapeshift, a wide variety of fae decks, teachings, zoo, boros, mono red, dark depths (i know banned) and thopter (i know also banned) all of which could easily win a given tournament. extended was a very healthy format without the crazy card costs of legacy to get into. New extended is dunce standard that got held back a couple of years
This represents only a proposal and an experiment. Self-contained events like the Community Cup are a perfect way for us to get data about potential new formats; by running Modern at the Community Cup, we will be able to get some data about what the format looks like, and we will be able to judge what you, the public, think about it. For now, that is our only goal.
Under the unified deck construction rules, each team will be responsible for creating eight decks (including sideboards) for the Standard and Modern rounds, however, each team is limited to only four copies of each card legal in that format (except basic lands) for all eight decks. For example, if Team Wizards of the Coast uses two Batterskulls in its Caw-Blade deck, it would only have two Batterskulls to use in its Training Drone deck.
Quote from CrownclownPlaying in a format where affinity is the oldest deck, is not even eternal, it is extended, it is where the "true" extended should be at about now. If they want it to be a eternal format they need to go back further, at least to invasion or masques.
Seems like the people who are crying about legacy just can't afford it, I can't afford it and I still think by far it is the best and most interesting format. It rewards good tight play, (like old extended did) and modern will not provide that cause the card pool will be dull or dominated like every other format by Sfm and Jace.
Modern should be extended an they need to just fix legacy or have a true available eternal format starting at masques wher the reserve list does not affect printing.
Also the majority of wizards employees in RND or otherwise do not know what
Players truly want, heck they do on MTGO at least but they don't have that list and more freedom at least, and half the less problems that we do. However grinding MTGO is cool but it doesn't give you the paper cards you need for higher level play.
Quote from furballThe thing is, it wouldn't be too different from Legacy. I'm not saying it wouldn't be fun, but it would most likely kill Legacy.
Q: Why not start with Mercadian Masques? Why not just ban Dark Ritual/Brainstorm/X?
A: Masques has a handful of issues. Starting with a set and then banning a bunch of cards from it is a problematic philosophy, especially when the set in question is only adding a handful of other cards to the format. However, starting with Masques does help create more of a logical delineation of Magic as the cutoff point is the end of the reserved list. There are also some arguments for starting with Masques and leaving those cards intact. I can understand and agree with many of the points many pro-Masques camps have.
However, the bottom line here is this: Mercadian Masques isn’t available on Magic Online and a huge component of this format is Magic Online play. Having a different format for real life play and Magic Online play is confusing and gives the format a mixed identity, so starting at Masques is completely off the table.
Masques is where a lot of people would like the format to start, but what they may not have considered is the number of format defining and changing cards Masques brings into the format. Gush, Daze, Dark Ritual, and Brainstorm, just to name a few. There are two major problems with the cards Masques brings to the table.
The first problem is format identity. Overextended should not be Legacy-lite, nor should it be a slightly more expansive current Extended. It needs to be a format that takes old and new and pushes them together in exciting ways. If you include Masques, you are going to see a lot of the same strategies rise up that you see in Legacy.
Brainstorm plus shuffle effects are going to become the core card advantage engine, there are going to be blue tempo decks backed by Daze, and somebody will inevitably break Dark Ritual. I know if I was starting to build decks in a Masques-forward format, the very first thing I would do is start at those three pillars. Is that really what you want in your brand new format?
The second problem is enjoyability. Numerous cards from Masques are either unfun or make the format incredibly complex and constraining, creating a barrier for new entrants to the format. Look at some of the cards that enter the environment from Masques. Tangle Wire. Dust Bowl. Dark Ritual. Gush. These cards are just problematic to have around, and sooner or later someone is going to make a popular deck containing them.
You can also make a pretty strong case that the free spells are unfun/complex. The Masques free spells are cards you always have to keep in your head, and push the format in a certain direction. There’s a reason so few spells you can play for free exist these days, and how even fewer of them are playable. Just look at how careful Wizards was with free spells in New Phyrexia, and the backlash surrounding the few playable ones there are!
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On top of all that, some people have criticized my decision to go ahead with Overextended despite Modern being announced. Why go in a completely different direction that Wizards? Why be so pompous as to try and split the format? However, the opposite is true. Overextended just gives Wizards more knowledge to play with. The results of Modern and Overextended provides them with more results and information to draw upon for creating a new format. It's not like there are Modern events I'm drawing people away from to play Overextended; both discussions can exist and the data collected from both can be the fuel behind a new format.
Quote from Ruin »Wizards is a corporation and their only objective is to ensure that profits are maximized after every fiscal year. So no, they couldn't care less about secondary market prices.
What would matter to them, however, is if reprinting FoW and Wasteland would substantially increase their profits as opposed to not doing that. It's been discussed in nearly every Magic forum ever and the general consensus is that there's absolutely no good reason for those cards not to be reprinted.
It's just a matter of when, not if.
Quote from the_cardfatherThe fact that he has decided things on his own without the input of the community removes any respect I had for him.
If Gavin can get some of star city's money behind him, and get them running SCG OverExtended Open's for him, then power to him, but to me that's just SCG running a tournament, one that can't be sanctioned as anything but Legacy. One that if sanctioned as such would draw the dirty look from WotC.
So this is what he does:
1) Pick arbitrary sets.
2) Ban arbitrary cards to see if it feels different.
3) Declare himself OverExtended god.
Quote from ValarinIs it though?
No one played the old extended.
No one plays the new extended.
Why do you think people will play this version of extended?
The price of legacy thing is a pretty bad argument: If you want to play in sanctoined competetive games, IN ANY FORMAT, you're going to need to spend money. Period. That's just all there is to it. Making up new formats based on arbitrary set release dates isn't going to change that.
It just seems like a REALLY roundabout way of saying "I can't afford Legacy cards"
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Yeah, I guess you are, especially since gavin launched this AFTER the invites for the community cup were sent.
Quote from Uly Van HammerI meant next year.. If he "makes" a grassroots format within the next year, he will be looking pretty good. I can tell when people really want to work for Wizards. Not that it's a bad thing to have aspirations or goals, I just dont have any time for my own so people that are trying just look like they are show boating to me.