This is the Boseiju Who Shelter's All factor I was trying to find from old Scapeshift. Now, to use it properly and still win, I'd either need a Garruk on the field with 5 lands down or 7 mana on the table.
I use to run Boseiju as a one-of in my old Scape, and I think Autmn's Veil would have the same effect here. Essentially, it either goes off and I win, or they use their counter spell on it and I still get to cast Mass Polymorph anyway.
This has lots of potential... but I have to ask the same question I ask all decks that are a focused combo... What happens when Mass Polymorph or Massacre Wurm are the target of Memoricide?
You go home and cry your sad eyes out =/
But in all seriousness, I want this deck to play just like old Scapeshift did, and in all reality, if that happened, you should have had a billion counterspells to stop it.
If you didn't and something like that went off, well, you tried your best, but you deserve your loss.
Granted, like Medisinyl said, they'd get in the way of the Morphing, since there's no reliable way to tutor them out of the deck. Well, Vess could do it, but then I'm splasing Black and things are just getting slower and less consistent...
However, given Niv's vanity, wouldn't he be more likely to make it so a lightning bolt could target absolutely anything except him? Is there any way we could incorporate that into the mix?
Let me preface this by saying that I'm a classic Scapeshift player, and I've been looking for a deck that gives that same sense of Charlie Sheen-like winning I used to get from 'Scaping Valakut, Stomping Grounds and Steam Vents all at once for the win.
Currently, nothing like that exists, where the combo is essentially a one-card win condition, but I'd really like to try and make it happen.
However, it occurred to me that we *might* be able to make it happen by Mass Polymorphing a trio of Massacre Wurms onto the field.
Enemy creatures would get a vicious -6/-6, which is enough of a hit to drop all but 36 creatures in standard. Of those 36, only about half a dozen ever see play, and even then, it's either in Eldrazi Green or another Mass polymorph deck.
Super-high risk in the fact that unlike most Mass Poly decks, it could never hardcast the Wurms. Maybe with Sphere of the Suns sideboarded in there, plus some Mana Filters, it could happen, but the reward is equally high.
Under ideal conditions, by turn Four/Five - Mass Polymorph into 3 Wurms, nuke two-three creatures for 12 to 18 damage. If they have 4 creatures, it's GG.
As an alternate thought, I thought about putting in a Terrastodon to force extra creatures on them, only to kill them with the Wurms.
Morphing into two Wurms and a Terrrastodon equals 3 destroyed lands and 12 direct damage, potentially as soon as turn four. If that's not winning, I don't know what is.
Now, as spine-tingling as that feeling is going to be, I'm worried about my defense. This would probably work fine against any slower decks, but K-red would probably eat me up.
Obviously Fog would be an excellent sideboard against them, slowing them just long enough to Massacre them in a brutal, brutal way. I mean, by turn four, K-red could have what, 5 creatures out? 6? And none of those could handle one Massacre Wurm, let alone two or three. That morph would be insta-GG IF you could survive to land it.
(By the way, two Memnites + one Signal Pest + 1 Goblin Bushwhacker = 24 direct damage from 3 massacre wurms)
ANYWAYS,
I've said it before, and I'll say it a billion times again. I have fun ideas, but I'm terrible at fleshing them out.
Help?
Comments?
Feedback?
Alright guys, as promised, I've come back to update this thread!
We've gotten a lot of progess, and I can safely say that this combo deck is on it's way to popularity Now all we need is a name...
Things that have bounced around are Massacrodon, Terassacremorph, and Lolaphant. I'm partial to Lolaphant myself, but as soon as I can figure out how to put a poll all up in this biddy, we'll get a vote going on.
I know, I know, my sideboard is wack, but I actually don't currently own an Iona, and my other big Eldrazi were being lent out to a buddy of mine, so I did what I could.
You'll also see that I've got some pretty odd maindeck choices, like the fact that my Mana Leaks are SB'ed, and of course my Gelatinous Genesis. Those changes were specifically due to my metagame, and I'm not advocating them directly, but they sure did work for me
Now, onto the tournament report.
Round 1 - Lolaphant VS Kuldotha Red
Game 1 -
I'm playing against a guy who likes to tweak netdecks to add a sense of flavour, and to that end, he's playing a K-red with Valakut and Koth. Lucky for me, he doesn't hit a god-hand game one, and ends up with two Valakuts by round four, slowing him down pretty sharply. Unlucky for him, I hit:
Now, I took a few beats this round, and was actually down to about 3 health when I dropped the Wurmsaphant bomb, wiping out a Signal Pest, a Memnite, three 1/1 Goblins and four 3/3 Elephants for the game. I came to the conclusion that Lolaphant can honestly win a game by being a punching bag until it drops the combo, and also that Leyline of Vitality might be an awesome idea. Tons of life from all the tokens, and 0/2 blockers instead of 0/1 blockers that can actually put a stop to some early game harassment.
game 2 - After I SB'ed in my fogs, it was an easy GG.
2-0-0
Round 2 - Lolaphant VS American Allies
Game 1
Basically went the same way that the first game vs K-red went. Me allowing myself to be a punching bag for a bewildered opponent, chump blocking his Hada Freeblade when it got too big, then dropping a Gelatinous Genesis to give myself 3 3/3 Oozes, freeing me up to chump block with all my tokens and morph 4 tokens into a win.
Game 2
Was a blur. After a decent starting hand, I drew nothing but land and got pwn'ed by allies dropping faster then I could keep up.
Game 3
Was a cheap win. He got stuck on three lands, and I morphed three tokens into two Wurms and an Elephant. He scooped.
4-1-0
Round 3 - Lolaphant VS Eldrazi Green.
Honestly, this match was so long and boring, I won't even break it down. Long story short, we both ramped and made tokens, but I won in 2 by, and I ☺☺☺☺ you not, equipping two Eldrazi Spawn tokens with Flayer Husks to keep his token count to a minimum until I could morph. This match made me think that Mortarpod would be excellent as a two-of in the mainboard, as not only Morph targets, but as viable sources of removal against weenie decks. Stupid Birds of Paradise >_>
Changes I want to make to the deck involve the following:
-Adding Mortarpods
-Adding Artifact removal (which really shouldn't be hard, given the options available to green)
-Testing out 2x Leyline of Vitality. Is it worth it? I think it *might* be. Stronger tokens to chump block, steady lifegain to let yourself be a punching bag when you need to, and potential to be free.
Gaines, Ethersworn Visionary3BU
Planeswalker - Gaines (M)
[+1] Destroy target artifact. If the destroyed artifact was under your control, draw a card.
[0] Put two 1/1 colorless Thopter creature tokens with flying onto the battlefield.
[-4] Tap target creature. Another target creature gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the converted mana cost of the tapped creature.
{4}
Assembly Line2UU
Enchantment (R)
Whenever an artifact creature enters the battlefield, if you cast if from your hand, you may pay 1. If you do, search your library for an artifact creature with the same total power and toughness, put it on to the battlefield, then shuffle your library.
Thopter Monarch2UB
Artifact Creature - Thopter (U)
Flying, Intimidate.
Thopter Monarch has power equal to the number of artifact creatures in play.
*/2
Gaines, Ethersworn Visionary3BU
Planeswalker - Gaines
[+1] Destroy target artifact. If the destroyed artifact was under your control, draw a card.
[0] Put two 1/1 colorless Thopter creature tokens with flying onto the battlefield.
[-4] Tap target creature. Another target creature gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the converted mana cost of the tapped creature.
{4}
Alright, guys, I know this has nothing to do with what we're currently talking about...
...But I've decided to go with my gut instincts, and trade away my Sword of Light and Shadow as well as my Sword of Fire and Ice for a playset of Stoneforge Mystics...
I really feel like they'll be reprinted in the upcoming Commander decks, along with other wildly popular equipment choices like Loxodon Warhammer and such...
It's not laughing after it just killed all of your vampires and zombie tokens. Doom Blade will AT BEST be a one-for-one trade with Elesh Norn.
Yeah, I'm more then okay with playing her even if she has a chance of having someone go for her throat, cut her down with doom, have a personal vendetta against her, spread sickness to her, force her into consuming vapours, etc. etc. etc....
...Because as long as I'm not stupid when I choose to play her, I know at the very least she'll wipe some chumps off the table, and possibly give my guys +2/+2 for a swing.
Autumn's Veil = GG
This is the Boseiju Who Shelter's All factor I was trying to find from old Scapeshift. Now, to use it properly and still win, I'd either need a Garruk on the field with 5 lands down or 7 mana on the table.
I use to run Boseiju as a one-of in my old Scape, and I think Autmn's Veil would have the same effect here. Essentially, it either goes off and I win, or they use their counter spell on it and I still get to cast Mass Polymorph anyway.
Thoughts?
You go home and cry your sad eyes out =/
But in all seriousness, I want this deck to play just like old Scapeshift did, and in all reality, if that happened, you should have had a billion counterspells to stop it.
If you didn't and something like that went off, well, you tried your best, but you deserve your loss.
It's only a two-drop, so it wouldn't disrupt the deck too much, and could be used as a variable threat response creature. It could stop Jace, the Mindsculptor, Stoneforge Mystic, Ratchet Bombs, and even things like Sword of Feast and Famine and Spikeshot Elder.
Granted, like Medisinyl said, they'd get in the way of the Morphing, since there's no reliable way to tutor them out of the deck. Well, Vess could do it, but then I'm splasing Black and things are just getting slower and less consistent...
I guess the best course of action is either Into the Core or Shatters.
-[however much] target player gets an emblem with "Instants and sorceries you cast have replicate."
Or however you'd need to word it.
Very, very Izzet-like.
However, given Niv's vanity, wouldn't he be more likely to make it so a lightning bolt could target absolutely anything except him? Is there any way we could incorporate that into the mix?
Yeah, that was just an error on my part. I got ahead of myself in my typing, haha.
ORIGNAL POST:
Currently, nothing like that exists, where the combo is essentially a one-card win condition, but I'd really like to try and make it happen.
However, it occurred to me that we *might* be able to make it happen by Mass Polymorphing a trio of Massacre Wurms onto the field.
Enemy creatures would get a vicious -6/-6, which is enough of a hit to drop all but 36 creatures in standard. Of those 36, only about half a dozen ever see play, and even then, it's either in Eldrazi Green or another Mass polymorph deck.
Original concept build
2x Mortar Pod
4x Flayer Husk
4x Mass Polymorph
3x Growth Spasm
2x Garruk Wildspeaker
4x Awakening Zone
4x See Beyond
3x Mana leak
2x Cultivate
2x Contagion Engine
4x Khalni Garden
4x Misty Rainforest
10x Island
6x Forest
Current Build - Keep the feedback coming!
2x Terrastodon
4x Growth Spasm
4x Flayer Husk
4x Awakening Zone
3x Tumble Magnet
3x Negate
4x See Beyond
3x Explore
2x Into the Roil
1x Autumn's Veil
4x Khalni Garden
4x Misty Rainforest
8x Island
7x Forest
4x Fog
4x Steel Sabotage
2x Summoner's bane
3x Mortar Pod
Super-high risk in the fact that unlike most Mass Poly decks, it could never hardcast the Wurms. Maybe with Sphere of the Suns sideboarded in there, plus some Mana Filters, it could happen, but the reward is equally high.
Under ideal conditions, by turn Four/Five - Mass Polymorph into 3 Wurms, nuke two-three creatures for 12 to 18 damage. If they have 4 creatures, it's GG.
As an alternate thought, I thought about putting in a Terrastodon to force extra creatures on them, only to kill them with the Wurms.
Morphing into two Wurms and a Terrrastodon equals 3 destroyed lands and 12 direct damage, potentially as soon as turn four. If that's not winning, I don't know what is.
Now, as spine-tingling as that feeling is going to be, I'm worried about my defense. This would probably work fine against any slower decks, but K-red would probably eat me up.
Obviously Fog would be an excellent sideboard against them, slowing them just long enough to Massacre them in a brutal, brutal way. I mean, by turn four, K-red could have what, 5 creatures out? 6? And none of those could handle one Massacre Wurm, let alone two or three. That morph would be insta-GG IF you could survive to land it.
(By the way, two Memnites + one Signal Pest + 1 Goblin Bushwhacker = 24 direct damage from 3 massacre wurms)
ANYWAYS,
I've said it before, and I'll say it a billion times again. I have fun ideas, but I'm terrible at fleshing them out.
Help?
Comments?
Feedback?
Alright guys, as promised, I've come back to update this thread!
We've gotten a lot of progess, and I can safely say that this combo deck is on it's way to popularity
Things that have bounced around are Massacrodon, Terassacremorph, and Lolaphant. I'm partial to Lolaphant myself, but as soon as I can figure out how to put a poll all up in this biddy, we'll get a vote going on.
Now, on to last night's massacre!
First, my deck build:
4 Khalni Garden
2 Halimar Depths
4 Misty Rainforest
8 Forest
6 Island
Creatures:
3 Massacre Wurm
2 Terastodon
Other Spells:
4 Explore
4 Preordain
4 Growth Spasm
4 Awakening Zone
4 Mass Polymorph
4 See Beyond
4 Flayer Husk
2 Garruk Wildspeaker
1 Gelatinous Genesis
3 Autumn's Veil
3 Fog
4 Mana Leak
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
3 Flashfreeze
1 Stormtide Leviathan
I know, I know, my sideboard is wack, but I actually don't currently own an Iona, and my other big Eldrazi were being lent out to a buddy of mine, so I did what I could.
You'll also see that I've got some pretty odd maindeck choices, like the fact that my Mana Leaks are SB'ed, and of course my Gelatinous Genesis. Those changes were specifically due to my metagame, and I'm not advocating them directly, but they sure did work for me
Now, onto the tournament report.
Round 1 - Lolaphant VS Kuldotha Red
Game 1 -
I'm playing against a guy who likes to tweak netdecks to add a sense of flavour, and to that end, he's playing a K-red with Valakut and Koth. Lucky for me, he doesn't hit a god-hand game one, and ends up with two Valakuts by round four, slowing him down pretty sharply. Unlucky for him, I hit:
Turn one - Khalni Garden
Turn two - Island, Explore, Khanli Garden
Turn Three - Awakening Zone, Preordain
Turn Four - Garruk Wildspeaker, Awakening Zone,
Turn Five - Mass Polymorph ftw.
Now, I took a few beats this round, and was actually down to about 3 health when I dropped the Wurmsaphant bomb, wiping out a Signal Pest, a Memnite, three 1/1 Goblins and four 3/3 Elephants for the game. I came to the conclusion that Lolaphant can honestly win a game by being a punching bag until it drops the combo, and also that Leyline of Vitality might be an awesome idea. Tons of life from all the tokens, and 0/2 blockers instead of 0/1 blockers that can actually put a stop to some early game harassment.
game 2 - After I SB'ed in my fogs, it was an easy GG.
2-0-0
Round 2 - Lolaphant VS American Allies
Game 1
Basically went the same way that the first game vs K-red went. Me allowing myself to be a punching bag for a bewildered opponent, chump blocking his Hada Freeblade when it got too big, then dropping a Gelatinous Genesis to give myself 3 3/3 Oozes, freeing me up to chump block with all my tokens and morph 4 tokens into a win.
Game 2
Was a blur. After a decent starting hand, I drew nothing but land and got pwn'ed by allies dropping faster then I could keep up.
Game 3
Was a cheap win. He got stuck on three lands, and I morphed three tokens into two Wurms and an Elephant. He scooped.
4-1-0
Round 3 - Lolaphant VS Eldrazi Green.
Honestly, this match was so long and boring, I won't even break it down. Long story short, we both ramped and made tokens, but I won in 2 by, and I ☺☺☺☺ you not, equipping two Eldrazi Spawn tokens with Flayer Husks to keep his token count to a minimum until I could morph. This match made me think that Mortarpod would be excellent as a two-of in the mainboard, as not only Morph targets, but as viable sources of removal against weenie decks. Stupid Birds of Paradise >_>
6-1-0
Round 4 - Lolaphant VS white artifact aggro
I lost so badly I can't even remember how. All I know for sure is that there were Memnites, Vector Asps, Thopters, Steel Overseers and more Tempered Steels then I could ever hope to overcome.
6-3-0
All in all, I'm really pleased with how I did.
Changes I want to make to the deck involve the following:
-Adding Mortarpods
-Adding Artifact removal (which really shouldn't be hard, given the options available to green)
-Testing out 2x Leyline of Vitality. Is it worth it? I think it *might* be. Stronger tokens to chump block, steady lifegain to let yourself be a punching bag when you need to, and potential to be free.
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A Living Weapon,
Born of Those it has Slain,
Creeps Across the Earth.
-2-
Osseous Matter,
Remnants of Those Who Fell,
Serve for Life and Limb.
-3-
I am, it Whispers.
Borrowed Eyes Inspect it's Self,
I am Death, it Sees.
-4-
Stomping and Growing,
Sinew Heart, Cartilage Brain,
On and On it Goes.
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Planeswalker - Gaines (M)
[+1] Destroy target artifact. If the destroyed artifact was under your control, draw a card.
[0] Put two 1/1 colorless Thopter creature tokens with flying onto the battlefield.
[-4] Tap target creature. Another target creature gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the converted mana cost of the tapped creature.
{4}
Assembly Line 2UU
Enchantment (R)
Whenever an artifact creature enters the battlefield, if you cast if from your hand, you may pay 1. If you do, search your library for an artifact creature with the same total power and toughness, put it on to the battlefield, then shuffle your library.
Thopter Monarch 2UB
Artifact Creature - Thopter (U)
Flying, Intimidate.
Thopter Monarch has power equal to the number of artifact creatures in play.
*/2
Planeswalker - Gaines
[+1] Destroy target artifact. If the destroyed artifact was under your control, draw a card.
[0] Put two 1/1 colorless Thopter creature tokens with flying onto the battlefield.
[-4] Tap target creature. Another target creature gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the converted mana cost of the tapped creature.
{4}
I hear a lot about it, and some guys in my shop were talking about starting it up tonight, but I never had the chance to ask them what exactly it was.
...But I've decided to go with my gut instincts, and trade away my Sword of Light and Shadow as well as my Sword of Fire and Ice for a playset of Stoneforge Mystics...
I really feel like they'll be reprinted in the upcoming Commander decks, along with other wildly popular equipment choices like Loxodon Warhammer and such...
I hope I made a good call here >_<
Yeah, I'm more then okay with playing her even if she has a chance of having someone go for her throat, cut her down with doom, have a personal vendetta against her, spread sickness to her, force her into consuming vapours, etc. etc. etc....
...Because as long as I'm not stupid when I choose to play her, I know at the very least she'll wipe some chumps off the table, and possibly give my guys +2/+2 for a swing.
I'd put her as a one-of in mah Caw-blade deck.