I actually know one of the judges who helps write the text dealing with artistic card altering. Basically, the borders aren't the problem, the fact that the card art is unrecognizable is. Basically, any full card alter in which the original art of the card is not there is not allowed, though of course all decisions are technically up to the head judge.
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These would still be fine under even the strictest codes as they are still easily identifiable by sight without reading the card due to the unique text boxes of dual lands. The art for duals and basic lands effectively extends into the text box, so long as the unique colored spiral patterns, or the large basic land mana symbols are visible they are effectively identifiable by art.
Depends on what they do, if they are trying to use judge ignorance to fish for a game loss that is considered cheating, and warrants a DQ, as they are aware of the rules themselves and a re simply hoping that the judge is not. There have been several instances of this occurring actually including once at a PT a couple of years ago.
Fishing for game wins via bad judge calls falls under the category of unsportsman like conduct, and is grounds for a DQ. Its no different then calling a judge for any other completely unjustified reason in an attempt to manipulate for a game win.
He may have been contracted to do so, but that doesn't change the fact that anyone else should be able to do whatever they want to the cards they bought. Saying that only the original artists is allowed to draw wolverine on a force of will so outside the realm of reasonable thought that it is difficult to construe an individual who would consider such a thing to be valid. Sure alterations made by the original artist might have a little bit of extra neat factor, but that doesn't change the fact that many people are able to make cards that are far better looking then what the original confines of the printed cards, or the original artist themselves, could ever hope to accomplish. How or by who a final product is made DOES NOT MATTER, all that matters is the final product of the work, if it looks awesome and people like it, and are willing to spend money for it, who are you to say they shouldn't be able to, because you prefer things a little different?
Markers-- You seem to lack well...anything approaching rationality. For starters fake cards are so easy to spot that its not even funny, Wizards uses special equipment to make their cards, and making something that "looks real" is incredibly difficult to do, even for people with absolutely no experience identifying a fake card made by someone with normal at home equipment is incredibly easy. Its not a matter of how you can tell the difference, its a matter of how could you possibly not be able to tell.
As for the "only the original artist with his art on printed on the card should be allowed to do alters thing" That is just flat out Text Removed. Do you also think that reprints should never get new art by a different artist? This is seriously such asinine crap that it baffles me a rational human being could ever think up such thing.
As for digital alters vs hand painted ones, the legality of the card is not based upon the medium used to alter it, calling a judge because you don't like a particular artists medium and method, and for no other legitimate reason, just shows you to be acting in an unsportsman like manner, and would get you immediately DQ'd from any event I was judging.
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prolly depends on the type of foil film they are using, i have seen some extremely thin types of this foil which would add far less thickness to the card than acrylics. i would have to see one in person i guess.
Its my understanding that the foil is opaque so they have no need to erase any portion of the original card, just to cut out the foil sticker with an exacto and apply it to the card face. If I remember right the foil paper is already a sticker which makes the process pretty easy and can work with almost any inkjet printer, which is the reason he is using a sealant as any water would ruin the alter otherwise.
They still turn out looking pretty neat looking, but theres no way card like that vess should be going for that high when the cutting job is so incredibly poor.
I don't really have much problem with them, although i am very surprised to see a card that looks so rough sell for so high of a price. Some people have more money than sense i guess. Would be different if it looked better, but its so obviously a poor cut and paste job.
The thickness difference on these is actually less then that of most acrylic alters, so that is not much of an argument, foil cards are 14 mill thick on average with some sets being thicker. Ditto on the original art thing, outside of international events you are not going to find a judge that cares about that so long as the card is left easily identifiable. I play fully altered cards in SCG, PTQ, and GP events all the time and never had a problem.
I think the main problem with these may be card flexibility, but i haven't held one in person so its hard to say, and potentially card warping as a result.
I would have to admit that they do look snazzy as all hell, but the fact that the it is attached with an adhessive with cutouts rather than a direct on the card print is a bit disappointing, as it will raise a lot of problems later on since glue tends to change over time.
As for identifying these cards as "real" that seems pretty self evident, even if you do not speak english things like the dual lands are still easily identifiable in these alters.
These would still be fine under even the strictest codes as they are still easily identifiable by sight without reading the card due to the unique text boxes of dual lands. The art for duals and basic lands effectively extends into the text box, so long as the unique colored spiral patterns, or the large basic land mana symbols are visible they are effectively identifiable by art.
He may have been contracted to do so, but that doesn't change the fact that anyone else should be able to do whatever they want to the cards they bought. Saying that only the original artists is allowed to draw wolverine on a force of will so outside the realm of reasonable thought that it is difficult to construe an individual who would consider such a thing to be valid. Sure alterations made by the original artist might have a little bit of extra neat factor, but that doesn't change the fact that many people are able to make cards that are far better looking then what the original confines of the printed cards, or the original artist themselves, could ever hope to accomplish. How or by who a final product is made DOES NOT MATTER, all that matters is the final product of the work, if it looks awesome and people like it, and are willing to spend money for it, who are you to say they shouldn't be able to, because you prefer things a little different?
As for the "only the original artist with his art on printed on the card should be allowed to do alters thing" That is just flat out Text Removed. Do you also think that reprints should never get new art by a different artist? This is seriously such asinine crap that it baffles me a rational human being could ever think up such thing.
As for digital alters vs hand painted ones, the legality of the card is not based upon the medium used to alter it, calling a judge because you don't like a particular artists medium and method, and for no other legitimate reason, just shows you to be acting in an unsportsman like manner, and would get you immediately DQ'd from any event I was judging.
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They still turn out looking pretty neat looking, but theres no way card like that vess should be going for that high when the cutting job is so incredibly poor.
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I think the main problem with these may be card flexibility, but i haven't held one in person so its hard to say, and potentially card warping as a result.
I would have to admit that they do look snazzy as all hell, but the fact that the it is attached with an adhessive with cutouts rather than a direct on the card print is a bit disappointing, as it will raise a lot of problems later on since glue tends to change over time.
As for identifying these cards as "real" that seems pretty self evident, even if you do not speak english things like the dual lands are still easily identifiable in these alters.