I had a tribal Avatar Karona deck built a little while ago and it was good fun, but lost it's luster after a bit. Now I want to put together a deck of cycles. It's not going to be 5ccGoodstuff.dec at all. But there are good cards in there. Right now the card count is 132. I need to make cuts. But cutting cycles is murderous...
All I wanted was a Riptide Laboratory and Miren, the Moaning Well. I don't understand why people are overlooking those two cards for things like Wasteland and Karakas and the fetches.
Arsenal? Not even close. This is like Commander's Spoon and Butter Knife. Arsenal gives a feeling of a lot of weaponry or tools. I was so looking forward to this product, and now... What a disappointment and waste of a perfectly beautiful idea.
Sleeves? They are ubiquitous. No thanks
Oversized Cards? I don't understand the fascination with them. No thanks.
Battle Marks? Fiddly and worthless when dice exist. No thanks.
Life Counter? Very cool. Do want.
A few premium cards? Hard to say when they haven't all been spoiled. But it looks like 5-10 of them are simply the Commander product generals. Plus the Sylvan Library and Command Tower, that only leaves either 11 or 6 slots for other cards.
Does Wizards even understand their player base and consumers anymore?
I did this, and enjoyed it for a while. I got about 90% finished. But it became a serious chore to manage (and transport) that many decks. Every new set goes from excitement to hoping that nothing good gets released so I don't have to update all my decks. Kudos to you though, and good luck.
I never said infinite combos and such aren't a problem, just that Omniscience doesn't make that big of an impact since these combos already exist and actually do the job better.
This is the bottom line. Not that I think that kid, Jinnobi, is going to pay attention to this fact or even chill out on his 'crusade'. He has already admitted to knowing how to troll.
I've generally found that people who play proxies (good ones printed off from MagicCards.info) to be smarter, possess more ingenuity, more socially integratable outside the realm of magic, and about a million other positive qualities. Everyone else I've met who doesn't like or hate's the use of proxies outside the realm of magic I've found to be socially akward and generally people who want to suck you down to their own level of misery. Not trying to troll here, just some life experience.
I stay away from those who try to limit others. And they can stay heck away from me.
You are blind man, read the bolded parts of what I said please. I'm not stating this as fact.
Read the bolded parts of what you said, please. I am no blind man. (Also excellent job of proving you have nothing of real value to add to the discussion by simply insulting someone who doesn't agree and repeating exactly what you said before. In person, this is when I would just sigh and walk away, knowing that discussion with you would be a fruitless endeavor.)
If proxies are allowed at will, [b]you're[/b] missing out on (one part of) the journey. [b]You[/c] don't get excited when [b]you[/b] finally acquire that Time Spiral to give [b]your[/b] deck some fun new tricks. [b]You[/b] don't get excited when [b]you[/b] get a few new cards that help [b]you[/b] compete with [b]your[/b] buddy's powerful deck. [b]You[/b] skip that whole process and instantly arrive at the end. There's a sense of achievement when [b]you[/b] acquire the tools necessary to do what [b]you[/b] want to do. If everyone could instantly have all the best items in WoW or DIII (without paying), they wouldn't be nearly as fun to play. Sure, [b]you[/b] could, ironically, pay money to get there, but would [b]you[/b] really want to?
In addition to proving you are attributing YOUR thoughts and experiences to other people, you mention a few things. The sense of achievement in acquiring the tools necessary to do what "you" you want to do. One could view proxies as the tool to do what you want to do. An individual may want to experience a certain thing? A proxy could fulfill that experience. It obviously doesn't for you, but who are you to say that it doesn't for someone else? Then you mention "you could, ironically, pay money to get there, but would you really want to?". This entire segment is ironic to me. You are telling people to go and spend money to get there... Thinking error much? Or at least logic error.
And, I am not sure why you bolded the "one part of" section of your comment. Nowhere in my reply did I mention anything other than it being a part. In fact I used those exact words "part of". So feel free to call me a blind man and refer me to read your comment for a third time, but I believe you have proven you are the one who lacks in reading comprehension.
Magic: the Gathering is a TCG, a "trading card game," so proxying expensive cards that you have no plans on getting defeats the purpose, imo.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. It defeats the purpose for YOU. You obviously put more emphasis on the TC part of TCG. While others put more emphasis on the G part. Maybe proxying cards doesn't defeat the purpose, but builds on it?
I think part of this comes to the journey being more fun than the destination. If proxies are allowed at will, you're missing out on (one part of) the journey. You don't get excited when you finally acquire that Time Spiral to give your deck some fun new tricks. You don't get excited when you get a few new cards that help you compete with your buddy's powerful deck. You skip that whole process and instantly arrive at the end.
Again, this is true for YOU. I know that with my Cube, I had (and still have) proxies, and my enjoyment of acquiring the real card wasn't lessened in the slightest by having proxied it before. Perhaps it does for you, but you can't say it does for anyone else. You may feel like you are missing part of the journey, but maybe part of the journey for someone else is testing a card out? Maybe you don't get excited by acquiring a real card, when you have proxied it, but others do. You are placing your thoughts out there as fact, and creating a ridiculous strawman statement of absolutes.
Quit stating your own experience and opinions as absolutes, everyone.
These topics are constantly popping up... The conversations are always the same, the points are always the same, and no one has (in my experience) changed or altered their view on proxies.
It's the same argument over and over. The anti-proxy crew usually state a couple reasons why proxying is okay, and then continue to say any other reason is stupid, or despicable. It is very black and white to them. The pro-proxy crew take a more laid-back approach and find the middle ground. Neither side is right or wrong. But also, neither side (as I said, in my experience) has made any effort to see the other's point of view.
I always find myself reading these topics too, but I am always disappointed with the short-sighted and close-minded attitudes displayed... I just can't stay away from them though...
I've recently switched up my basic land to have one of every art from every set. Which means my basic land collection will continue to grow, but it is super neat.
1 Karona, False God
//Creature Cycles:
1 Bringer of the White Dawn
1 Bringer of the Blue Dawn
1 Bringer of the Black Dawn
1 Bringer of the Red Dawn
1 Bringer of the Green Dawn
1 Nightscape Battlemage
1 Stormscape Battlemage
1 Sunscape Battlemage
1 Thornscape Battlemage
1 Thunderscape Battlemage
1 Nightscape Familiar
1 Stormscape Familiar
1 Sunscape Familiar
1 Thornscape Familiar
1 Thunderscape Familiar
5 Gatecrash Primordials
1 Anavolver
1 Cetavolver
1 Degavolver
1 Necravolver
1 Rakavolver
//Spell Cycles
1 Decree of Annihilation
1 Decree of Justice
1 Decree of Pain
1 Decree of Savagery
1 Decree of Silence (Not a spell, but most of its cycle is)
1 Beacon of Creation
1 Beacon of Destruction
1 Beacon of Immortality
1 Beacon of Tomorrows
1 Beacon of Unrest
1 Austere Command
1 Cryptic Command
1 Incendiary Command
1 Primal Command
1 Profane Command
1 White Sun's Zenith
1 Blue Sun's Zenith
1 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Red Sun's Zenith
1 Green Sun's Zenith
//Enchantment Cycles:
1 Ana Sanctuary
1 Ceta Sanctuary
1 Dega Sanctuary
1 Necra Sanctuary
1 Raka Sanctuary
1 Honden of Seeing Winds
1 Honden of Life's Web
1 Honden of Night's Reach
1 Honden of Infinite Rage
1 Vow of Duty
1 Vow of Flight
1 Vow of Lightning
1 Vow of Malice
1 Vow of Wildness
//Artifact Cycles:
1 Tower of Calamities
1 Tower of Fortunes
1 Tower of Eons
1 Tower of Champions
1 Tower of Murmurs
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Sword of Body and Mind
1 Sword of War and Peace
//The Rest:
1 Sun Titan
1 Maelstrom Archangel
1 Progenitus
1 Eternal Witness
1 Elvish Piper
1 Bloom Tender
1 Academy Rector
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Quicksilver Amulet
1 Fist of Suns
1 Sol Ring
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Coalition Relic
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Prismatic Omen
1 Spirit of Resistance
1 Mirari's Wake
1 Mana Reflection
1 Omniscience
1 Debtors' Knell
1 Maelstrom Nexus
1 Conflux
1 All Suns' Dawn
1 Homeward Path
1 Maze of Ith
1 Tundra
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Scrubland
1 Godless Shrine
1 Underground Sea
1 Watery Grave
1 Tropical Island
1 Breeding Pool
1 Badlands
1 Blood Crypt
1 Bayou
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Plateau
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Volcanic Island
1 Steam Vents
1 Savannah
1 Temple Garden
1 Taiga
1 Stomping Grounds
1 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Windswept Heath
1 Marsh Flats
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Arid Mesa
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Command Tower
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Exotic Orchard
1 City of Ass
1 City of Brass
1 Grand Coliseum
1 Rupture Spire
1 Transguild Promenade
Sleeves? They are ubiquitous. No thanks
Oversized Cards? I don't understand the fascination with them. No thanks.
Battle Marks? Fiddly and worthless when dice exist. No thanks.
Life Counter? Very cool. Do want.
A few premium cards? Hard to say when they haven't all been spoiled. But it looks like 5-10 of them are simply the Commander product generals. Plus the Sylvan Library and Command Tower, that only leaves either 11 or 6 slots for other cards.
Does Wizards even understand their player base and consumers anymore?
This is the bottom line. Not that I think that kid, Jinnobi, is going to pay attention to this fact or even chill out on his 'crusade'. He has already admitted to knowing how to troll.
You're my hero.
Read the bolded parts of what you said, please. I am no blind man. (Also excellent job of proving you have nothing of real value to add to the discussion by simply insulting someone who doesn't agree and repeating exactly what you said before. In person, this is when I would just sigh and walk away, knowing that discussion with you would be a fruitless endeavor.)
In addition to proving you are attributing YOUR thoughts and experiences to other people, you mention a few things. The sense of achievement in acquiring the tools necessary to do what "you" you want to do. One could view proxies as the tool to do what you want to do. An individual may want to experience a certain thing? A proxy could fulfill that experience. It obviously doesn't for you, but who are you to say that it doesn't for someone else? Then you mention "you could, ironically, pay money to get there, but would you really want to?". This entire segment is ironic to me. You are telling people to go and spend money to get there... Thinking error much? Or at least logic error.
And, I am not sure why you bolded the "one part of" section of your comment. Nowhere in my reply did I mention anything other than it being a part. In fact I used those exact words "part of". So feel free to call me a blind man and refer me to read your comment for a third time, but I believe you have proven you are the one who lacks in reading comprehension.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. It defeats the purpose for YOU. You obviously put more emphasis on the TC part of TCG. While others put more emphasis on the G part. Maybe proxying cards doesn't defeat the purpose, but builds on it?
Again, this is true for YOU. I know that with my Cube, I had (and still have) proxies, and my enjoyment of acquiring the real card wasn't lessened in the slightest by having proxied it before. Perhaps it does for you, but you can't say it does for anyone else. You may feel like you are missing part of the journey, but maybe part of the journey for someone else is testing a card out? Maybe you don't get excited by acquiring a real card, when you have proxied it, but others do. You are placing your thoughts out there as fact, and creating a ridiculous strawman statement of absolutes.
Quit stating your own experience and opinions as absolutes, everyone.
It's the same argument over and over. The anti-proxy crew usually state a couple reasons why proxying is okay, and then continue to say any other reason is stupid, or despicable. It is very black and white to them. The pro-proxy crew take a more laid-back approach and find the middle ground. Neither side is right or wrong. But also, neither side (as I said, in my experience) has made any effort to see the other's point of view.
I always find myself reading these topics too, but I am always disappointed with the short-sighted and close-minded attitudes displayed... I just can't stay away from them though...