I am 10 of Hearts, my abilities:
Puppy Love (tracks players that target me)
Long Walk of Distraction (if I am killed while hearts are trump, kills are blocked the following Night)
Happy Honeymoon (town win condition)
If you want me to back that up with quotes, I am game, but it will probably be a couple of days.
That statement should have been in top part of that post in regards to Gentleman Johnny. I agreed to back that read up because it is the one I was asked a specific question about. I am certainly not offering to do research on several other people as well.
You asked in #431 why I waited until now to say something about it. I did say something about it then in the form of my question.
Yes, you did technically ask him about it, but you did not say that it made you suspicious or "that discussion was being suppressed" (to either of us, at any point), which seems strange if you actually thought that. You also drop it rather quickly when he gives you the (obvious) answer.
My point to all of this being, (particularly if you are townreading Iso), why did you feel the need to bring it up now, in regards to me?
My problem with your being unsure of me whilst at the same time suspecting KA should be readily apparent. We are very clearly not trusting of each other.
Yes, that is readily apparent, but I was not asking you to simply repeat yourself. I want to know why you think that is a problem.
I don't think I've misrepresented you and if I have, it was not on purpose but rather a miscommunication.
Then why do yo continue to do it?
You missed a question:
I remember being pinged by this post, because 3 posts later, in #40, I asked "Why do I get the feeling this is a loaded question?" I think that smoke didn't expect me to be able to answer or adapt to this question in a way that would be productive, could be wrong.
You know that you are wrong, because I told you so; it was a legitimate question, that you never made any attempt to answer.
By the way, do you realize that "Why do I get the feeling this is a loaded question?" is itself one? Not sure that you know what it means.
I remember feeling at the time that discussion was being suppressed by both of these individuals.
How is asking a question supposed to suppress discussion?
If that is what you thought that we were doing, why did you wait until now to say something about it?
Are you still townreading Iso?
Spiderman is jokey by nature, so IMO this answer was not clear, and that could have been his intention.
you can read though, I assume.
Where he lists KA as likely scum and possibly EP due to their possible connection, but throws a question mark on me, who was pursuing their lynch at the time.
Well for starters, the content we were waiting on that he finally posted isn't what we were even waiting on, it was for the reasoning behind his iso & KCC reads, no?
No; can you read?
If so, then stop misrepresenting me.
Then he tells us to get over the waiting for the explanation, which he will give, and in the end, waited so long that he hoped I'd forgotten what we were actually waiting on
Ok, I have to work now - but I'll vote smoke and see if this gets us anywhere.
These 2 posts seem like you are trying to justify jumping on to a popular wagon that you do not understand, at a critical stage.
None of your points are actual points; looks like you are reaching to find fault with them, using very passive language so that you can absolve yourself once this goes down.
Had trouble remembering/finding which games I was thinking about; then I realized that they are not in this sub-forum, they were Mod Mafia 4 and 7 and I cannot post them here. As far as I am aware, Iso is the only one that can can confirm this; since he was the one who asked me about it in the first place, I am sure that he would not mind taking a look and giving you his own impression of whether or not I am "blowing smoke".
@ Smoke, what were you initially looking for when you pursued Burning_Earth based on him posting twice within 4 minutes?
It seemed odd to me for him to unvote and then vote again in that amount of time. Just long enough to not seem like a natural EBWDP, but not quite long enough to have actually gone back and found something else (unless he already knew what he was looking for).
Did you have reason to believe that something about it had scum motive?
Not necessarily, but I like to ask questions in order to analyze the response. Probably my main method of scumhunting and content generation in general.
In this case, I noticed well before he answered that this is just the way that he posts, however, the way that he responds is just as important.
What made you eventually soften your stance?
He was not evasive or defensive about answering. His responses generally make sense and seemed natural.
I think he meant to say that Iso and KCC were playing to his expectations of their towngames but he can't really quantify why.
Did smoke ever deliver on the content he promised us?
I have not yet; will not be able to until Mon/Tues night.
I have said about all that I intend to regarding my town/scum list. Everyone can either accept it or not; not much you can do about it at this point but actually lynch me
You either don't have "meta/gut" reasons, or you have an idea where you are pulling from.
I have not been here for a year, and my memory is a bit hazy at the best of times. If you want more from me than my general impression (which I already gave), then yes, that is going to take a significant amount of research on my part.
Apparently my blog containing all of my Mafia stats was nuked in the site changeover, so I do not even have that for a reference. I am in the process of recompiling that right now.
@s_K
I am thinking this is what you are talking about?
You do realize you posted this to GJ and didn't ask any questions, right?
I try not to chainsaw through people's conversations, so I don't know why you were hoping I would respond to this.
that is why I specifically asked you about it.
I try not to chainsaw through people's conversations
It is not for the faint of heart.
It may have been a weak reason, but you have stated that at this point why should we have solid reads.
Not quite what I said.
At least I have posted my reason for all to see and not refused to provide content.
Nice implied attack.
I didn't feel I was being dismissive or defensive about it.
I am not a fan of people trying to control what I do with my vote. My vote is my weapon, and I can use it the way I want to. Thank you for the concern though...
If you want me to back that up with quotes, I am game, but it will probably be a couple of days.
That statement should have been in top part of that post in regards to Gentleman Johnny. I agreed to back that read up because it is the one I was asked a specific question about. I am certainly not offering to do research on several other people as well.
Nowhere in here do you address the real issue, which is that your reads lack justification behind them and you just let people blank in terms of why you read them that way. Can you address this issue?
I am not overly concerned; being told that my list is "awful" does not really do it for me. I addressed it about as much as I intend to, unless I am asked specific questions.
Would you mind addressing the points that I made about you?
How so?
If I wanted to brush him off, why would I have offered to be more specific before he even asked me to?
This about sums it up.
How am I brushing off Iso? I mean he totally asked me to provide justification and then I didn't, but let's ignore that and puch against EP's point anyways.
Except that is not what happened.
I stated that I would elaborate if asked when I made my list.
Iso asked me to do so, to which I agreed.
As his request will require me to read through multiple completed games, it is going to have to wait until I have several hours in which to do so.
Which I also (more or less) stated.
If anyone finds this unreasonable, they should just get over it; but trying to present it as brushing him off is a misrepresentation.
@Smoke: For the most part, I have seen you focusing BE2. What intrigued you about Hunger?
I assume that you meant Huntzilla? #97 "I am never anything BUT town... haven't you recognized that yet..." bothered me a bit at the time, but I do not know of the guy so I chalked it up to newness and/or RVS.
His reason for voting for you is weak as they come, he was told asmuch, and asked why you were singled out over the other people he called out. He later claims to not have seen that, then gets dismissive & defensive about it, quickly resorting to ad hominem & deflection.
S_K says he has reasons, but he can't even roughly list them.
I did not say that I "have reasons", I stated that they were tentative gut reads, though I did give what reasons I do have.
We do not exactly have a wealth of content yet, not really sure what you expect of me at this point.
It looks like he is trying to brush off Iso.
How so?
If I wanted to brush him off, why would I have offered to be more specific before he even asked me to?
Sorry about not quoting. Also, not being here for a while, RL is a dick.
No problem, I just want it to be as clear as possible what we are all talking about.
The thing you have to learn about me is that I post whatever I think. With no moderation. It leads to many double-posts. And many odd posting patterns.
I noticed, I just wanted to see you explain it in your own words. That is why I softened my stance on you somewhat.
I have one, I just did not think that it was particularly relevant:
I think that I know where you are going with this, but see a potential problem with it; waiting for responses before I discuss it.
Puppy Love (tracks players that target me)
Long Walk of Distraction (if I am killed while hearts are trump, kills are blocked the following Night)
Happy Honeymoon (town win condition)
And when asked about it I clarified what I meant. Since you somehow missed it, I will post it again:
Yes, you did technically ask him about it, but you did not say that it made you suspicious or "that discussion was being suppressed" (to either of us, at any point), which seems strange if you actually thought that. You also drop it rather quickly when he gives you the (obvious) answer.
My point to all of this being, (particularly if you are townreading Iso), why did you feel the need to bring it up now, in regards to me?
Yes, that is readily apparent, but I was not asking you to simply repeat yourself. I want to know why you think that is a problem.
Then why do yo continue to do it?
You missed a question:
You know that you are wrong, because I told you so; it was a legitimate question, that you never made any attempt to answer.
By the way, do you realize that "Why do I get the feeling this is a loaded question?" is itself one? Not sure that you know what it means.
How is asking a question supposed to suppress discussion?
If that is what you thought that we were doing, why did you wait until now to say something about it?
Are you still townreading Iso?
What is your specific problem with that?
No; can you read?
If so, then stop misrepresenting me.
These 2 posts seem like you are trying to justify jumping on to a popular wagon that you do not understand, at a critical stage.
None of your points are actual points; looks like you are reaching to find fault with them, using very passive language so that you can absolve yourself once this goes down.
Claim time I guess?
That being said, his posts so far in this game seems similar in tone to posts like these:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/446779-annoraxs-bastard-mod-mafia-game-over-sepiriels?comment=917
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/446779-annoraxs-bastard-mod-mafia-game-over-sepiriels?comment=978
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/446779-annoraxs-bastard-mod-mafia-game-over-sepiriels?comment=1558
which is all that I really meant in the first place.
It seemed odd to me for him to unvote and then vote again in that amount of time. Just long enough to not seem like a natural EBWDP, but not quite long enough to have actually gone back and found something else (unless he already knew what he was looking for).
Not necessarily, but I like to ask questions in order to analyze the response. Probably my main method of scumhunting and content generation in general.
In this case, I noticed well before he answered that this is just the way that he posts, however, the way that he responds is just as important.
He was not evasive or defensive about answering. His responses generally make sense and seemed natural.
More or less.
So?
No, I did not.
Good thing I have not done that then
How do you figure that it is an OMGUS vote?
I voiced suspicion of you before you voiced any of me.
Top of page, there is a search button.
I have not yet; will not be able to until Mon/Tues night.
I have said about all that I intend to regarding my town/scum list. Everyone can either accept it or not; not much you can do about it at this point but actually lynch me
EDIT:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/446786-ogre-mafia-game-ogre-town-and-atlseal-win
I have not been here for a year, and my memory is a bit hazy at the best of times. If you want more from me than my general impression (which I already gave), then yes, that is going to take a significant amount of research on my part.
Apparently my blog containing all of my Mafia stats was nuked in the site changeover, so I do not even have that for a reference. I am in the process of recompiling that right now.
I do not recall claiming that. I recall stating that they were mostly based on gut; not entirely sure that you get what that means.
I do not feel like I did anything "wrong", so I do not see any particular need to defend it.
Right; I literally would like very much to see it.
Did you read emo_pinata's post while you were making your own?
What makes you say that?
that is why I specifically asked you about it.
It is not for the faint of heart.
Not quite what I said.
Nice implied attack.
Here:
UNVOTE
VOTE: Huntzilla
That statement should have been in top part of that post in regards to Gentleman Johnny. I agreed to back that read up because it is the one I was asked a specific question about. I am certainly not offering to do research on several other people as well.
I am not overly concerned; being told that my list is "awful" does not really do it for me. I addressed it about as much as I intend to, unless I am asked specific questions.
Would you mind addressing the points that I made about you?
Except that is not what happened.
I stated that I would elaborate if asked when I made my list.
Iso asked me to do so, to which I agreed.
As his request will require me to read through multiple completed games, it is going to have to wait until I have several hours in which to do so.
Which I also (more or less) stated.
If anyone finds this unreasonable, they should just get over it; but trying to present it as brushing him off is a misrepresentation.
Calls me out for not explaining my reads
His are worse
Sure buddy, whatever you say
I assume that you meant Huntzilla?
#97 "I am never anything BUT town... haven't you recognized that yet..." bothered me a bit at the time, but I do not know of the guy so I chalked it up to newness and/or RVS.
His reason for voting for you is weak as they come, he was told as much, and asked why you were singled out over the other people he called out.
He later claims to not have seen that, then gets dismissive & defensive about it, quickly resorting to ad hominem & deflection.
Where is yours?
I did not say that I "have reasons", I stated that they were tentative gut reads, though I did give what reasons I do have.
We do not exactly have a wealth of content yet, not really sure what you expect of me at this point.
How so?
If I wanted to brush him off, why would I have offered to be more specific before he even asked me to?
No problem, I just want it to be as clear as possible what we are all talking about.
I noticed, I just wanted to see you explain it in your own words. That is why I softened my stance on you somewhat.
Of course it does, not much has happened yet.
How certain should I be at this point?
How certain are you about your reads?
Have I seemed like I was doing so at any other point?
Howling Mine