ColonelCoo: This entire current environment has existed since about 1994-95... this isn't something new since then, it's just ramped up to it's apex.
bocephus: I'd agree it's worst, and we've got a ways to go till it rights itself again since it's usually about a 30 year cycle and we're barely to the half-way mark if history holds true.
Don't change the subject I was responding to. That Obama was noble of intent is false. His specific treatment of opposition party of "you lost I won" set the tone for his terms. Obama didn't stop having civility in politics and considering the concerns of the minority party: he never had civility.
I didn't change the subject, you made drastically false assertion. If you don't want false assertions called out, don't pitch them.
Additionally - he didn't ramrod anything through any more than any other President in modern memory. You were alive for Reagan weren't you? His 'compromises' were similar attempts to work out a median, with many Democrats voting against it when the time actually came up after he made sure many concessions were made to get Democrats on board. [Not nearly 100% defection from the compromises like recently, but it was something around 60% or so if memory serves]
And if you just look back to the previous Presidency, how often were Democrat concerns considered at all in legislation until they retook Congress? Almost no bills saw substantial revision to Democrat requests - just the ACA alone likely has more revisions made to it at Republican request than was done for the Democrats from 2000-2006 TOTAL.
Additionally, it's absolute fact that this downhill slide started around midterms for Clinton - specifically after he won his second term is when I would say is when I picked up on it - although the undercurrent might have already been there before it.
So to say Obama is anything in it is ridiculous - he's not done anything to improve the situation - but he didn't create it and really hasn't exacerbated it, because it was already quite terrible. [I'd recommend listening to some Billy Joel if you're not understanding the importance of how things can be difficult to stop once they're going even if you want to - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g]
ColonelCoo: This entire current environment has existed since about 1994-95... this isn't something new since then, it's just ramped up to it's apex.
bocephus: I'd agree it's worst, and we've got a ways to go till it rights itself again since it's usually about a 30 year cycle and we're barely to the half-way mark if history holds true.
Wasn't saying right now isn't uniquely bad - was just stating that it eventually gets a voter backlash that gets things back to a moderate course EVENTUALLY.
I think the biggest issue right now is we have the echo chamber effects that make it happen more rapidly while the voting public is relatively slow to react (honestly it's been slow enough to "fix" before that it's likely generational usually a 20-30 year rut of polarization that then gets fixed once the generational switch happens) - and that's why it's worse than average right now.
I was just trying to address if it was going to be a permanent thing. Which history shows there will be a pushback and things will go back to a median again.
It'll rectify itself, it's happened historically a number of times - usually kills a party (but not always) from literally nothing happening politically for a while and the constituency getting fed up with problems not being dealt with.
But after a few years it goes back to normal - just like everything it goes in cycles - we've had two or three of this happen before.
If it's not one or the other - scrambled or most other morning preparations of eggs and peanut derivatives seem like they'd never work. Cheese absolutely does if its meant as a "one item that doesn't work with either" thing though.
The problem with the 'tribal knowledge' theorem is actually reversed in many other fields since men are more prone to hurting themselves or having other health impairing conditions. Men tend to have a greater chance of lasting out in desk styled positions and less in "on your feet" labor like cashiering and waiting tables ironically.
Same bo - personally of the two I'd rather deal with minor theft that I don't observe than be begged from.
With how many groups I donate to with time and money already, I'm a sucker to say yes - but it makes me AND THEM feel like crap in the process - when I find I'm missing a $20 bill or something it's likely twice as much as I'd give to a random beggar if not more - but it's just like, "Damn, I lost X - oh well, life goes on..."
Of course I wonder how much traveling to India (and Towson a few years ago to a lesser extent) with literally moments you'd run into a beggar every block or less has tempered me to be quite frustrated with begging vs. minor theft.
Begging is more moral in most, but not all, cases - that's not to say to the person doing the action it may not FEEL more moral to steal however.
Simply because you put yourself front and center on display with the guilt of it (even if you're begging one on one rather than publicly) versus trying to prune someone of an item or two or finances on the sly that may go completely unnoticed in an ideal "semi-ethical" stealing.
Ideally neither would exist however. Not that it's an ideal that would ever be realized however.
For example, I with my family, have "stolen" (or as I justify it - borrowed with no plans to return unless confronted) from my family without blinking an eye when something was going unused that could be handy for myself. On the contrast the few times I've had to ask my family for help out of a bind I've felt like **** every single time over having to deal with it one on one.
Likely a reference to elaboration and analysis, at least I would consider that a separate thing personally. (Although I'd be biased, since I'm a details guy usually - big picture be damned, devil's in the details)
There's no specific reason. Far leftists is just the type of demographic an English, fantasy based, trading card game, internet forum garners.
Some reasons why this would attract individuals who sway to the left:
- younger
- many Europeans
Your kidding right.
Are you forgetting that the Magic demographic leans incredibly hard on the white and male spectrum....
You do realize that white males under 30 still lean left in the US, and I'd imagine even more skewed in the EU, right?
It's less dramatic than other groups but it's still a left lean - something like 60% of college age males are D, 30% R and 10% I as of a few years ago with Obama and TEA/Libertarian probably pulling more of those R's away.
A few specific colleges are conservative on average for the men (only a handful for the women however) but that's a fraction of the college age men. [And Magic players by far attend college - so non-college world isn't too relevant to the "common demographic"]
LOL, good catch - something that does seem oddly typical. (I blame people getting links from blogs crosslinking them partially causing them to miss content since reading twice in full is a waste rather than obfuscation attempts)
I think its likely accurate - although its more of an indicator of chain posting and obnoxious offensive posts that tends to come hand in hand with being 'antiliberal'.
When you find yourself being insulted constantly or spammed its really easy to ignore people.
I've got two friends that have offended people into ignoring them with regularity because of each reason. (Jeremy a Libertarian politician running as an R (low local office) being a spammer and Mike being an anarchist that constantly links anything anti political and edgy - most of the edgy stuff linking to TheBlaze and similar)
Jeremy actually committed to 'slow down' to ONLY five political links a day. His peak was in the thirties. All with abstracts and at least a paragraph of his own feelings.
Depends on the litmus you use I'd say, personally.
During election cycles you can see it occur in the political world a lot where a single defection in opinion is suddenly 'liberal' or a 'RINO'. When the litmus to be 'right' is complete ideological purity besides whatever blind spots you allow voluntarily or involuntarily everything will feel like it skews off of that as a majority.
The same isn't a 'right' exclusive phenomena either, find someone hard line 'left' (which admittedly is rather hard to do they are a rarer breed - what's media portrayed as hard left is barely left of center in most cases...) and their observations would likely be similar. But the media fortunately doesn't get gungho about promoting 'not really a democrat' type nonsense outside of one instance in recent memory because the party doesn't mind ideological diversity.
In a nutshell, I think it comes down to the intolerance for ideological diversity that promotes it. I certainly hope it is, after all - that's why I no longer consider myself very right anymore. Most of my goals are right in line, but the methods I almost alwaysdisagree with - and versus my early ddays of politics there's a night and day difference with how variant methods are received. Especially ones that involve refinement to something over scrapping and restarting which is always going to be problematic. (The 'beta software' effect - think about the last time you got a 1.0 program that never needed further patching... Laws are similar to me managed appropriately by their guardians)
Anyhow TTFN lost my care about debate and debating mostly. The attrition isn't completely one sided...(although I still maintain I'm barely left)
Leagues were supposed to come back for MTGO v3 too btw
Sony keeping promises (outside of SOE which is seperate corporately) has come through at 100% thus far when it comes to gaming.
Sometimes timetables have skipped a quarter though.
Note: Gaikai technically already is working, just its doing PS4 games while they're partially installed for now. So the groundwork is already there just needs to be adapted for the larger catalog.
I didn't change the subject, you made drastically false assertion. If you don't want false assertions called out, don't pitch them.
Additionally - he didn't ramrod anything through any more than any other President in modern memory. You were alive for Reagan weren't you? His 'compromises' were similar attempts to work out a median, with many Democrats voting against it when the time actually came up after he made sure many concessions were made to get Democrats on board. [Not nearly 100% defection from the compromises like recently, but it was something around 60% or so if memory serves]
And if you just look back to the previous Presidency, how often were Democrat concerns considered at all in legislation until they retook Congress? Almost no bills saw substantial revision to Democrat requests - just the ACA alone likely has more revisions made to it at Republican request than was done for the Democrats from 2000-2006 TOTAL.
Additionally, it's absolute fact that this downhill slide started around midterms for Clinton - specifically after he won his second term is when I would say is when I picked up on it - although the undercurrent might have already been there before it.
So to say Obama is anything in it is ridiculous - he's not done anything to improve the situation - but he didn't create it and really hasn't exacerbated it, because it was already quite terrible. [I'd recommend listening to some Billy Joel if you're not understanding the importance of how things can be difficult to stop once they're going even if you want to - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g]
bocephus: I'd agree it's worst, and we've got a ways to go till it rights itself again since it's usually about a 30 year cycle and we're barely to the half-way mark if history holds true.
Wasn't saying right now isn't uniquely bad - was just stating that it eventually gets a voter backlash that gets things back to a moderate course EVENTUALLY.
I think the biggest issue right now is we have the echo chamber effects that make it happen more rapidly while the voting public is relatively slow to react (honestly it's been slow enough to "fix" before that it's likely generational usually a 20-30 year rut of polarization that then gets fixed once the generational switch happens) - and that's why it's worse than average right now.
I was just trying to address if it was going to be a permanent thing. Which history shows there will be a pushback and things will go back to a median again.
But after a few years it goes back to normal - just like everything it goes in cycles - we've had two or three of this happen before.
With how many groups I donate to with time and money already, I'm a sucker to say yes - but it makes me AND THEM feel like crap in the process - when I find I'm missing a $20 bill or something it's likely twice as much as I'd give to a random beggar if not more - but it's just like, "Damn, I lost X - oh well, life goes on..."
Of course I wonder how much traveling to India (and Towson a few years ago to a lesser extent) with literally moments you'd run into a beggar every block or less has tempered me to be quite frustrated with begging vs. minor theft.
Simply because you put yourself front and center on display with the guilt of it (even if you're begging one on one rather than publicly) versus trying to prune someone of an item or two or finances on the sly that may go completely unnoticed in an ideal "semi-ethical" stealing.
Ideally neither would exist however. Not that it's an ideal that would ever be realized however.
For example, I with my family, have "stolen" (or as I justify it - borrowed with no plans to return unless confronted) from my family without blinking an eye when something was going unused that could be handy for myself. On the contrast the few times I've had to ask my family for help out of a bind I've felt like **** every single time over having to deal with it one on one.
You do realize that white males under 30 still lean left in the US, and I'd imagine even more skewed in the EU, right?
It's less dramatic than other groups but it's still a left lean - something like 60% of college age males are D, 30% R and 10% I as of a few years ago with Obama and TEA/Libertarian probably pulling more of those R's away.
A few specific colleges are conservative on average for the men (only a handful for the women however) but that's a fraction of the college age men. [And Magic players by far attend college - so non-college world isn't too relevant to the "common demographic"]
When you find yourself being insulted constantly or spammed its really easy to ignore people.
I've got two friends that have offended people into ignoring them with regularity because of each reason. (Jeremy a Libertarian politician running as an R (low local office) being a spammer and Mike being an anarchist that constantly links anything anti political and edgy - most of the edgy stuff linking to TheBlaze and similar)
Jeremy actually committed to 'slow down' to ONLY five political links a day. His peak was in the thirties. All with abstracts and at least a paragraph of his own feelings.
During election cycles you can see it occur in the political world a lot where a single defection in opinion is suddenly 'liberal' or a 'RINO'. When the litmus to be 'right' is complete ideological purity besides whatever blind spots you allow voluntarily or involuntarily everything will feel like it skews off of that as a majority.
The same isn't a 'right' exclusive phenomena either, find someone hard line 'left' (which admittedly is rather hard to do they are a rarer breed - what's media portrayed as hard left is barely left of center in most cases...) and their observations would likely be similar. But the media fortunately doesn't get gungho about promoting 'not really a democrat' type nonsense outside of one instance in recent memory because the party doesn't mind ideological diversity.
In a nutshell, I think it comes down to the intolerance for ideological diversity that promotes it. I certainly hope it is, after all - that's why I no longer consider myself very right anymore. Most of my goals are right in line, but the methods I almost alwaysdisagree with - and versus my early ddays of politics there's a night and day difference with how variant methods are received. Especially ones that involve refinement to something over scrapping and restarting which is always going to be problematic. (The 'beta software' effect - think about the last time you got a 1.0 program that never needed further patching... Laws are similar to me managed appropriately by their guardians)
Anyhow TTFN lost my care about debate and debating mostly. The attrition isn't completely one sided...(although I still maintain I'm barely left)
Sony keeping promises (outside of SOE which is seperate corporately) has come through at 100% thus far when it comes to gaming.
Sometimes timetables have skipped a quarter though.
Note: Gaikai technically already is working, just its doing PS4 games while they're partially installed for now. So the groundwork is already there just needs to be adapted for the larger catalog.