Exactly, their Ranged weapons are no match for Terminator Armor, so they HAVE to come in for Close Combat... and With Abaddon's Talon of Horus PLUS Drach'nyen, and his increased reflexes and speed... Well, it would make short work of them in close combat.
Funny thing is, Abaddon can rip apart tanks 20 times his size with Armor more impenetrable than his own and not even break a sweat...
Plus, let's not forget Tezzeret has access to a host of evil weaponry of his own, Mana Blade anyone? (PS It turned jace into a sniffeling crybaby... with just a shallow cut...)
It really is the Terminator Armor for me in this one. If only because I don't really see the opposing team capable of ripping through it completely. Their tech is just too low grade even when augmented with magic.
If Abaddon was fighting a team like Magneto & Static or By Your Powers Combined, someone with enough UMPH to burst through the armor, then his fight would be more interesting, because then you pretty much have a smarter version of Doomsday to deal with.
But so long as they can't even crack that armor, Abaddon would probably crush them.
While this is true, remember that Bolas and Mewtwo also usually require entire teams to take down, so this isn't anything new. Sephiroth was also soloed by Sora (twice), who is a teenager (admittedly quite powerful) with a giant key as a weapon.
We REALLY have to get away from the type of arguments that revolve around "This guy beats or can't beat this other guy from his Universe, therefore he's God/crap". I know you're just being an impartial mediator, but saying that Sora beats Sephiroth is only going to derail the debate into talking about what Sephiroth can do individually in his own universe, not about what he can do in this current fight against this current crop of opponents.
While this is true (and Kraken agrees with you), remember that Mewtwo is still, even after several generations of Pokémon, the most powerful psychic type (well, except Arceus, but Arceus can be any type he wants to be), and is intelligent enough to be aware of his own weaknesses, and will likely tell Bolas that he needs some serious protection from black for this match. I'm sure Bolas will have some sort of spell to ensure that his loyal *ahem* partner... would be up to facing them?
As much as Mewtwo is very much aware of his weakness, Bolas only has access to three types of magic, and none of them will give him defensive wards against Black Magic like a white enchantment would. Hence why I mentioned a lot of Bolas' time is gonna be invested in countering spells, because nothing else blue, red or black is really gonna stick for long.
Bolas can't run from this match, as per Tournament rules. He'll need to unleash his entire arsenal on the FF Villains, and don't forget that he and Mewtwo have the ability to destroy one's mental faculties (well, with Kefka and Sephiroth, there's not much left to destroy, since they're both plum crazy).
Which is why I didn't put too much stock in their mental attacks doing much. Kefka's already off his rocker and Sephiroth is just not attached to reality anymore as it is, so I don't think mind destruction will bother them.
I believe Abaddon and Tezzeret win this fight, so my vote goes to their team.
Granted, Bayonetta and Dante are two seasoned main characters that have killed the very creators of their respective universes, all while being annoyingly snarky and arrogant as if they're not even breaking a sweat.
But Abaddon crushes them mercilessly. I think it would actually be an interesting fight, with Dante and Bayonetta pulling off a number of nifty tricks. Especially with Sokenzan allowing them to be even quicker and stronger, they might even put a dent in that Terminator armor of his.
But Tezzeret would be the deciding factor here. If only because he WOULD be augmenting Abaddon's armor, and thus I think Dante and Bayonetta would believe that in order to defeat Abaddon, they will have to deal with Tezzeret first.
They end up dispatching of the Planeswalker, But in the end, it would be Bayonetta and Dante's arrogance that would get the best of them. They would be executing combos and flippy thingies and smart ass remarks while Abaddon just bides his time waiting for them to slip up just long enough for him to crush them.
Mewtwo though... is a Pokémon... Psychic Type... When a move like Bite, or Crunch is super effective against Mewtwo, I can't really expect him to last very long in this fight... I'd say the Large Sephiroth's attacks would qualify as Dark-Type attacks... I'd even go as far as to say One-Winged Angel uses Dark Type Attacks. I'm not putting any money on Mewtwo basically.
I was pretty much going to say this. Mewtwo's greatest weakness in this fight is the fact that he actually has a quantifiable, abusible weakness for Team Final Fantasy Villains to exploit.
Dark Magic is pretty much prevalent in all of Final Fantasy, and Kefka and Sephiroth pretty much have access to the entire gamut of Final Fantasy spells.
The challenge here is that Nicol Bolas also has access to a great swath of magic, specifically of the Blue, Black and Red colors.
Mewtwo is pretty much going to act as the Glass Tank of his team, launching concussive blasts of energy while Nicol Bolas is going to be kept busy flinging redirect and counter spells to protect himself and his team mate to prevent anyone from being one-shotted by a random Death Spell.
Hell, ANY successive attacks that are landed here are going to hurt anybodies chances of being viable the longer the match goes, as the Wither from Raven's Run is going to make everyone VERY cautious about taking damage, lest they risk becoming weaker.
My vote goes to Kefka and Sephiroth. As although Nicol Bolas has access to just as many damaging spells as they do, Kefka and Sephiroth ALSO have access to white magic, so they can Esuna the wither effects away and potentially Cure any damage that becomes too lethal.
I see Kefka taking up that mantle of becoming the Debuff Cleric, as despite his toughness I think Sephiroth will be faster than him and more eager to get straight in the fight, while Kefka will enjoy more being able to torture his opponents.
So essentially it'll come down to Mewtwo Vs. Sephiroth, with Bolas and Kefka being forced to be support mages for their respective fighters just to try and keep the Wither from effecting anyone too much.
And in that kind of fight, I put more stock into Sephiroth beating Mewtwo.
Well, this battle is more-less concluded with team ''Doom and some other guy'' getting their well earned victory
Now to make sure Magneto gains his well earned victory as well
Weird, by my count Team Mental Prowess is only winning by 1 vote, with still almost a full day to go before the battle has ended. I'd advise you not to count your chickens before they hatch, or to try and rub a victory in the opposing teams faces before the battle is even over. It makes an ass out of you and me.
"See? Gun violence just keeps happening folks, we need even MOAR gun regulation now! No American citizen should be allowed to own guns EVARZ!"
The Right's Reaction to this tragedy:
"See? Gun violence still happens even in gun free zones such as California college campuses! We need to abolish ALL gun regulation NAO! All American citizens should be allowed fully automatic machine guns!
Zealous Thinker, from that blog, raises some fine questions:
And if feminism were really about equality and against some mutually destructive social force (“patriarchy”), where are all the feminists demanding equal representation for men in higher education? Where is the surge of feminists enlisting to be on the front lines? Where is all of the feminist outrage at the overrepresentation of breast cancer awareness and the underrepresentation of prostate cancer awareness? Where are the feminists demanding an end to sexist court custody practices (particularly when research shows children do overwhelmingly better with an active male influence in their lives)?
To which the response was:
...zealous thinker sounds like an MRA to the core!
Go figure.
The real response to zealous thinker should have been logical fallacy tu quoque. Just because feminists do not fight every single equality fight does not mean that the fights feminist choose to fight are wrong. You want equality in court cases go fight for it yourself instead of waiting for someone else to fight that fight for you.
This was your very first post in this debate thread. Which was basically you telling the MRA's to suck it up and fight their own battles rather than expect Feminists to actually fight for true equality for all the sexes.
I'd say that's already starting off with a heavy pro-feminist anti-MRA stance right off the bat.
So you can't sit there with a straight face and tell me that you came into this debate with an open mind, you were looking to defend Feminism from the start.
There's nothing wrong with that. But don't act like it's the MRA's fault that you believe what you believe now. Because that is obviously disingenuous based on the quotation above.
"a plethora of interesting and competitive teams where anything can happen."
I think this is the hardest part of comic characters: "anything can happen". I mean, literally, anything can happen DEPENDING ON THE WRITER AND THE PLOT.
And, to everyone, remember that if it's canon, it's not a joke (that includes "the Squirrel Girl incident").
How can we dimension what Dr. Doom is capable of? One time he survives millions of years just to take revenge on The Marquis of Death, then other time gets beaten by Squirrel Girl. One time he can knock out Hulk, other day he gets his ass beaten by the same Hulk.
I prefer to use that intelligent, prepared villain. The one that always has an ace under the sleeve. In the end, think he teams PERFECTLY with Lex Luthor, reminding me in some way to the Luthor-Brainic couple.
And I'm not minimizing what the "Dark Lords" team is capable of. I know they are smart, they have experience and powerful abilities. But Doom and Lex have much more resources and have faced bigger threats. Wether they have succeed on beating, that's another thing, but it's experience nonetheless that they can use to prepare against the "Dark Lords".
I see this battle going with a lot of deception and sneaking. In my mind, I see the following (simplistic because I'M NOT AN AWESOME WRITER, so don't bash me) plan:
- "Human Mental Prowess" go on in a full attack with their tech and beams.
- "Dark Lords" use trickster, deception and enchantments to evade most of the damage.
- In a trick of those, they take down Dr. Doom with an unexpected spell (or Force ability).
- Luthor tries to keep up going into full defense mode suit.
- Dr. Doom appears again from the back firing a final blow to his opponents. In the end, appearing that Dr. Doom fell was part of "Human Mental Prowess" battle.
Or something like that.
Anyways, although I see this as an awesome fight, I vote for "Human Mental Prowess" team.
And that by far is the best argument I've heard all week as to why Doom and Luthor win this match.
You actually included their opponents into the equation, rather than relying on people Doom have faced before this fight even happens.
Not to be a complete egotist here, but I think I'm the perfect example as to why Feminism has failed.
When you can have a 95 page thread about Feminism that only gets people to look into Men's Rights Activism and start sympathizing with the other side of the fence in droves because Feminist down talking is just that disgusting, then yeah, Feminism has failed. Big time.
Calling everything that is ever done or said to a woman as rape is no longer an effective strategy at making men ashamed of themselves for ever saying hello to a member of the opposite sex.
Calling everyone that disagrees with Feminism a sexist racist homophobic (insert line of six or more slurs here) trying to shame men into keeping in line with Feminist ideology is no longer an effective tool at silencing the very real issues that are facing men today.
And that's fine. Quit discussing if you are not getting anything good from it. Just do your vote, discuss with people that are open to discuss and go on. It's not your responsibility or anything to convince others of your points of view.
I've taken it up as my responsibility to show people that we have a plethora of interesting and competitive teams where anything can happen.
And I will continue to do so. Because it is quite clear that if I don't, than nobody will.
The fact that we've had threads where people have literally given no credit to the likes of Iron Man, Dumbledore, Palpatine, Voldemort, Gideon Jura, Sonic, Lex Luthor, Mario, Static or The Hulk is simply a slap in the face to everyone who put their minds together to participate in the nomination process.
And I won't stand by while creative ideas are trampled on just because Captain God Mode has shown up.
I bolded the parts important from your post. When people tell you to chill out is because you get frustrated. It's because you really want to move this tournament in your way, and only your way. You should do what normal people do: chill out and ignore the brainless comments. Let them have fun their way. You can do what other voters have done for the supposed "underdogs": vote without getting involved into frustrating discussions. Then you will be happier.
Actually, I'm pretty sure people are telling me to chill because it's easier to troll someone into trying to get themselves infracted than holding an honest and fair debate (like what the Doom voters did to Fluffy Bunny).
You might as well frame the debate so far as this.
Bunny & Kraken: talk talk talk.
Doom Voters: Doom defeats Galactus.
Bunny & Kraken: counter points.
Doom Voters: Doom defeats Galactus.
Bunny & Kraken: Proves that Doom doesn't defeat Galactus without help.
Doom Voters: Doom defeats Galactus.
Bunny & Kraken: Get frustrated to the point of wanting to quit discussion because nothing we say is being taken into account.
Doom Voters: Doom defeats Galactus.
Pretty much rinse recycle and repeat that formula over and over again, except replace Doom with Doomsday, Flash, Captain Planet, Magneto and Kratos and you pretty much have every single Versus Battle in a nutshell.
If anything, that's more disrespectful to this process than anything. We have a full 7 days to discuss each match in it's entirety and all you guys want to do is go "This guy wins, moving on, no point in debating about it."
Counter cherry-pick:
1. Thrown down a well.
2. Killed by a 12 year old amateur wizard.
This was stated before, and it needs to be repeated:
You are killing debate with your tone. It's not a debate when the other side just berates you.
There are two schools of thought in this contest. It's very similar to the Spike v. Vorthos divide. As with the difference between the two in Magic, there's no reason to be insulted because one person leans a certain way.
I started out very civil, and excited to see how this contest could go down. And I even started out admitting that I feel Doom and Luthor win this after a hard fought battle.
But the same courtesy and respect is not being reciprocated for the opposing side, unless your name is Draftguy.
Fluffy Buffy and I have both expressed that we are SICK of hearing every single Versus Battle every single week about how "This one guy wins hands down no contest with ease" with NO respect for any of the other teams, terrains or any variables whatsoever.
That's not Versus Discussion. It ruins the spirit of the tournament. We are not hear to crunch numbers and break down characters into their most basic mathematical terms of which super powered ability or plot device is the strongest.
If the results of the majority of these Versus Battles tells you anything, it's that the majority of the voters are responding that they want INTERESTING match ups, COMPELLING fights, ENTERTAINING brawls.
Not a series of "Character A wins easily, this is pointless, let's just move onto the next match".
How any of you are finding that kind of discussion fun is beyond me. Hence my frustration.
If people could even just give a MODICUM of credit to the other teams in the tournament that are battling the comic book heroes, then I wouldn't be nearly so volatile. I want to have a fun, respectful, entertaining discussion on the merits of each character. But all too often people merely focus on one person from each team and ignore the capabilities of anyone else involved.
When people starts meta-voting, it's the moment you realize the idea of this tournament is failing. :/
When I bring up point after point after point proving that Dr. Doom is not what people say he is, and the only reply the opposing side can say is "Chill out", then there is no serious discussion to be had. So my vote for meta reasons is no more damaging that the Doom Side refusing to acknowledge when they've been proven wrong and move on to other more important points.
And by the way, if Team Dark Lords and Team Mental Prowess has 2 post votes a piece in Poring's first vote count, and I switched my vote to Team Darkside within that time, then the tally should be more along the lines of Dark Lords 4, Mental Prowess 5. Because of the new guy above me also voting for Dark Lords.
Recap of points that have not even attempted to be refuted:
1) Dr. Doom has lost to Squirrel Girl & Spider-Man, without plot devices.
2) Doom does not have access to any of his powers he had by absorbing Beyonder, Galactus or Silver Surfer.
3) Doom has never defeated anyone by himself without plot devices such as the Infinity Gauntlet or the Cosmic Cube. Otherwise the Fantastic Four always defeated him by themselves. He is not that big a threat without some fresh introduced plot device that he discovers. Even then, he's never absorbed the powers of the Hulk, that was the fake Cosmic Hulk that was used as a trap in the first place.
4) Dr. Doom is only the second most powerful magician on Earth in his universe, and still requires help from other heroes to defeat his universes ultra powerful beings like Mephisto and Galactus.
5) Doom's biggest weakness is his gullibility, as he has been fooled time and again into losing whatever advantage he DOES have. And he is going up against two of the greatest deceivers in all of fiction, he would be fooled easily.
It's not WHO's the most powerful. It's who can DEBATE who is the most powerful and convince the silent voters to be swayed one way or the other.
Let's recap shall we?
Kratos and Dante supporters could only argue that they defeat the most powerfuls beings in their universe, therefore they win easily.
They lost.
Doomsday and Hulk supporters could only argue that they defeat the most powerful beings in their universe, therefore they win easily.
They lost.
Flash and Sonic supporters could only argue that they travel so fast that they can go back in time and turn people into stone in an instant before anyone has a chance to react, therefore they win easily.
They lost.
Jafar and Maleficent supports could only argue that they are super powerful magic users that only lose due to plot devices but otherwise are unstoppable.
They lost.
The ONLY Versus Battle that you have won where you argue stupid arguments of "This team wins instantly forever" was for Team By Your Powers Combined, and that's because Mega Man and Samus were screwed as their only hope in that match up was the terrain in the first place. THAT was a mismatch.
So you all seem to be mistaken, I'm not getting butt hurt that all my Versus Teams are losing. I have been on the winning side of almost every single Versus Battle, while you haven't been able to present reasonable counter arguments beyond repeating the same rhetoric over and over again every single week while the poll and post votes always swing against you.
It really is the Terminator Armor for me in this one. If only because I don't really see the opposing team capable of ripping through it completely. Their tech is just too low grade even when augmented with magic.
If Abaddon was fighting a team like Magneto & Static or By Your Powers Combined, someone with enough UMPH to burst through the armor, then his fight would be more interesting, because then you pretty much have a smarter version of Doomsday to deal with.
But so long as they can't even crack that armor, Abaddon would probably crush them.
We REALLY have to get away from the type of arguments that revolve around "This guy beats or can't beat this other guy from his Universe, therefore he's God/crap". I know you're just being an impartial mediator, but saying that Sora beats Sephiroth is only going to derail the debate into talking about what Sephiroth can do individually in his own universe, not about what he can do in this current fight against this current crop of opponents.
As much as Mewtwo is very much aware of his weakness, Bolas only has access to three types of magic, and none of them will give him defensive wards against Black Magic like a white enchantment would. Hence why I mentioned a lot of Bolas' time is gonna be invested in countering spells, because nothing else blue, red or black is really gonna stick for long.
Which is why I didn't put too much stock in their mental attacks doing much. Kefka's already off his rocker and Sephiroth is just not attached to reality anymore as it is, so I don't think mind destruction will bother them.
Granted, Bayonetta and Dante are two seasoned main characters that have killed the very creators of their respective universes, all while being annoyingly snarky and arrogant as if they're not even breaking a sweat.
But Abaddon crushes them mercilessly. I think it would actually be an interesting fight, with Dante and Bayonetta pulling off a number of nifty tricks. Especially with Sokenzan allowing them to be even quicker and stronger, they might even put a dent in that Terminator armor of his.
But Tezzeret would be the deciding factor here. If only because he WOULD be augmenting Abaddon's armor, and thus I think Dante and Bayonetta would believe that in order to defeat Abaddon, they will have to deal with Tezzeret first.
They end up dispatching of the Planeswalker, But in the end, it would be Bayonetta and Dante's arrogance that would get the best of them. They would be executing combos and flippy thingies and smart ass remarks while Abaddon just bides his time waiting for them to slip up just long enough for him to crush them.
I was pretty much going to say this. Mewtwo's greatest weakness in this fight is the fact that he actually has a quantifiable, abusible weakness for Team Final Fantasy Villains to exploit.
Dark Magic is pretty much prevalent in all of Final Fantasy, and Kefka and Sephiroth pretty much have access to the entire gamut of Final Fantasy spells.
The challenge here is that Nicol Bolas also has access to a great swath of magic, specifically of the Blue, Black and Red colors.
Mewtwo is pretty much going to act as the Glass Tank of his team, launching concussive blasts of energy while Nicol Bolas is going to be kept busy flinging redirect and counter spells to protect himself and his team mate to prevent anyone from being one-shotted by a random Death Spell.
Hell, ANY successive attacks that are landed here are going to hurt anybodies chances of being viable the longer the match goes, as the Wither from Raven's Run is going to make everyone VERY cautious about taking damage, lest they risk becoming weaker.
My vote goes to Kefka and Sephiroth. As although Nicol Bolas has access to just as many damaging spells as they do, Kefka and Sephiroth ALSO have access to white magic, so they can Esuna the wither effects away and potentially Cure any damage that becomes too lethal.
I see Kefka taking up that mantle of becoming the Debuff Cleric, as despite his toughness I think Sephiroth will be faster than him and more eager to get straight in the fight, while Kefka will enjoy more being able to torture his opponents.
So essentially it'll come down to Mewtwo Vs. Sephiroth, with Bolas and Kefka being forced to be support mages for their respective fighters just to try and keep the Wither from effecting anyone too much.
And in that kind of fight, I put more stock into Sephiroth beating Mewtwo.
My vote goes to Team Final Fantasy Villains.
Weird, by my count Team Mental Prowess is only winning by 1 vote, with still almost a full day to go before the battle has ended. I'd advise you not to count your chickens before they hatch, or to try and rub a victory in the opposing teams faces before the battle is even over. It makes an ass out of you and me.
"See? Gun violence just keeps happening folks, we need even MOAR gun regulation now! No American citizen should be allowed to own guns EVARZ!"
The Right's Reaction to this tragedy:
"See? Gun violence still happens even in gun free zones such as California college campuses! We need to abolish ALL gun regulation NAO! All American citizens should be allowed fully automatic machine guns!
And the world keeps spinning.
This was your very first post in this debate thread. Which was basically you telling the MRA's to suck it up and fight their own battles rather than expect Feminists to actually fight for true equality for all the sexes.
I'd say that's already starting off with a heavy pro-feminist anti-MRA stance right off the bat.
So you can't sit there with a straight face and tell me that you came into this debate with an open mind, you were looking to defend Feminism from the start.
There's nothing wrong with that. But don't act like it's the MRA's fault that you believe what you believe now. Because that is obviously disingenuous based on the quotation above.
And that by far is the best argument I've heard all week as to why Doom and Luthor win this match.
You actually included their opponents into the equation, rather than relying on people Doom have faced before this fight even happens.
That's all I was ever looking for.
When you can have a 95 page thread about Feminism that only gets people to look into Men's Rights Activism and start sympathizing with the other side of the fence in droves because Feminist down talking is just that disgusting, then yeah, Feminism has failed. Big time.
Calling everything that is ever done or said to a woman as rape is no longer an effective strategy at making men ashamed of themselves for ever saying hello to a member of the opposite sex.
Calling everyone that disagrees with Feminism a sexist racist homophobic (insert line of six or more slurs here) trying to shame men into keeping in line with Feminist ideology is no longer an effective tool at silencing the very real issues that are facing men today.
I've taken it up as my responsibility to show people that we have a plethora of interesting and competitive teams where anything can happen.
And I will continue to do so. Because it is quite clear that if I don't, than nobody will.
The fact that we've had threads where people have literally given no credit to the likes of Iron Man, Dumbledore, Palpatine, Voldemort, Gideon Jura, Sonic, Lex Luthor, Mario, Static or The Hulk is simply a slap in the face to everyone who put their minds together to participate in the nomination process.
And I won't stand by while creative ideas are trampled on just because Captain God Mode has shown up.
Actually, I'm pretty sure people are telling me to chill because it's easier to troll someone into trying to get themselves infracted than holding an honest and fair debate (like what the Doom voters did to Fluffy Bunny).
You might as well frame the debate so far as this.
Bunny & Kraken: talk talk talk.
Doom Voters: Doom defeats Galactus.
Bunny & Kraken: counter points.
Doom Voters: Doom defeats Galactus.
Bunny & Kraken: Proves that Doom doesn't defeat Galactus without help.
Doom Voters: Doom defeats Galactus.
Bunny & Kraken: Get frustrated to the point of wanting to quit discussion because nothing we say is being taken into account.
Doom Voters: Doom defeats Galactus.
Pretty much rinse recycle and repeat that formula over and over again, except replace Doom with Doomsday, Flash, Captain Planet, Magneto and Kratos and you pretty much have every single Versus Battle in a nutshell.
If anything, that's more disrespectful to this process than anything. We have a full 7 days to discuss each match in it's entirety and all you guys want to do is go "This guy wins, moving on, no point in debating about it."
I started out very civil, and excited to see how this contest could go down. And I even started out admitting that I feel Doom and Luthor win this after a hard fought battle.
But the same courtesy and respect is not being reciprocated for the opposing side, unless your name is Draftguy.
Fluffy Buffy and I have both expressed that we are SICK of hearing every single Versus Battle every single week about how "This one guy wins hands down no contest with ease" with NO respect for any of the other teams, terrains or any variables whatsoever.
That's not Versus Discussion. It ruins the spirit of the tournament. We are not hear to crunch numbers and break down characters into their most basic mathematical terms of which super powered ability or plot device is the strongest.
If the results of the majority of these Versus Battles tells you anything, it's that the majority of the voters are responding that they want INTERESTING match ups, COMPELLING fights, ENTERTAINING brawls.
Not a series of "Character A wins easily, this is pointless, let's just move onto the next match".
How any of you are finding that kind of discussion fun is beyond me. Hence my frustration.
If people could even just give a MODICUM of credit to the other teams in the tournament that are battling the comic book heroes, then I wouldn't be nearly so volatile. I want to have a fun, respectful, entertaining discussion on the merits of each character. But all too often people merely focus on one person from each team and ignore the capabilities of anyone else involved.
When I bring up point after point after point proving that Dr. Doom is not what people say he is, and the only reply the opposing side can say is "Chill out", then there is no serious discussion to be had. So my vote for meta reasons is no more damaging that the Doom Side refusing to acknowledge when they've been proven wrong and move on to other more important points.
And by the way, if Team Dark Lords and Team Mental Prowess has 2 post votes a piece in Poring's first vote count, and I switched my vote to Team Darkside within that time, then the tally should be more along the lines of Dark Lords 4, Mental Prowess 5. Because of the new guy above me also voting for Dark Lords.
Recap of points that have not even attempted to be refuted:
1) Dr. Doom has lost to Squirrel Girl & Spider-Man, without plot devices.
2) Doom does not have access to any of his powers he had by absorbing Beyonder, Galactus or Silver Surfer.
3) Doom has never defeated anyone by himself without plot devices such as the Infinity Gauntlet or the Cosmic Cube. Otherwise the Fantastic Four always defeated him by themselves. He is not that big a threat without some fresh introduced plot device that he discovers. Even then, he's never absorbed the powers of the Hulk, that was the fake Cosmic Hulk that was used as a trap in the first place.
4) Dr. Doom is only the second most powerful magician on Earth in his universe, and still requires help from other heroes to defeat his universes ultra powerful beings like Mephisto and Galactus.
5) Doom's biggest weakness is his gullibility, as he has been fooled time and again into losing whatever advantage he DOES have. And he is going up against two of the greatest deceivers in all of fiction, he would be fooled easily.
I'd like to switch my vote to Team Voldemort & Palpatine so I can distance myself away from Team Trollololol.
Enjoy.
Let's recap shall we?
Kratos and Dante supporters could only argue that they defeat the most powerfuls beings in their universe, therefore they win easily.
They lost.
Doomsday and Hulk supporters could only argue that they defeat the most powerful beings in their universe, therefore they win easily.
They lost.
Flash and Sonic supporters could only argue that they travel so fast that they can go back in time and turn people into stone in an instant before anyone has a chance to react, therefore they win easily.
They lost.
Jafar and Maleficent supports could only argue that they are super powerful magic users that only lose due to plot devices but otherwise are unstoppable.
They lost.
The ONLY Versus Battle that you have won where you argue stupid arguments of "This team wins instantly forever" was for Team By Your Powers Combined, and that's because Mega Man and Samus were screwed as their only hope in that match up was the terrain in the first place. THAT was a mismatch.
So you all seem to be mistaken, I'm not getting butt hurt that all my Versus Teams are losing. I have been on the winning side of almost every single Versus Battle, while you haven't been able to present reasonable counter arguments beyond repeating the same rhetoric over and over again every single week while the poll and post votes always swing against you.