In my view this is an expected result, as people who enjoy it don't really have an incentive to actually post about it, and goes against the narrative that we saw in the State of Modern thread about a silent vocal majority that actually hates the format.
it undermines the theory of a silent majority of players who dislike Modern and actually supports a theory of a vocal minority of players who dislike Modern.
You are saying that there is a large group of people that they are not posting BECAUSE they don't like the format. However, as both the results and KTK have demonstrated the same (if even more so) can be said for the people who DO like modern.
Yes and? The 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. Just because there are people not posting because they enjoy Modern, doesn't mean that the same can't happen for those who don't. Both statements can be true.
Good lord, none of us EVER said anything about a silent MAJORITY of players who dislike modern. How far are you guys going to go with this false narrative.
Let's not keep a narrative of a silent group that just dislikes the format but doesn't talk about it, doesn't want to talk about it, but is oppressed by the people who actually like the format. It doesn't make sense. I think the total N we have from both polls is enough to give a clear picture of the active playerbase.
What? There's maybe 5 people who are actively critical of Modern and there are 30 voters who do not enjoy Modern. It is indicative that there IS a silent group of people who are not enjoying Modern but are not actively posting about it.
And taking the results from the reddit poll. As of the time of this post there's almost 1000 voters. It's quite clear that a significant amount of players do not enjoy Modern, around 25% on both reddit and MTGS.
Yeah of course you can (sleeve up an interactive deck - sign up for an event - have some moderate success) play interactive magic in this metagame, that was never really up for debate. It's just sub optimal.
Technically you can also play basketball with 1 hand and score some points here and there, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do so when everyone else is using 2 hands.
we're getting a walker a pack in WOTS but realistically most of them are not going to be constructed playable. They did this before when they put a DFC in every pack and we only really got a handful of playable ones.
Will be counting it as a win if there even 5 modern-playable walkers in WOTS.
Yeah but none of us ever said that we were a majority. That narrative wasn't created by us. If anything, your side of the fence pushed it on us.
Like we KNOW we are a minority, but there just might be more of us than you may think, that's all. None of this majority BS.
Yeah 20% might not seem like much but you can't tell me 200 out of 1000 is not a lot, what about 2k out of 10k?. It's not a majority like you try to imply, but that's definitely still a lot of people who don't enjoy the format.
Yeah I know, results not statistically significant and all that jazz, before anyone wants to jump down my throat.
I have no issue whatsoever with the results of the poll so far. I actually expected something like this. My beef is this false narrative pushed on us.
What narrative was there about a silent majority of modern haters? AFAIK all that was said is that there are a portion of players who are not enjoying Modern, and therefore are not posting about Modern anymore because they/we longer feel an attachment to it.
Nobody on the 'not enjoying modern' side of the fence said anything about a silent majority of the player base being modern haters.
30.8% might be a while away from being a majority but its sure as hell still a very significant amount. That's 30% who would make the switch if there's a viable and accessible alternative. Even if we take into account this theory that users who are unhappy with the format are more likely to post about it and chop that to 20% or 15%, that's still a significant percentage.
Not everything has to be comcast levels of horrible customer satisfaction to be considered as significant.
Few pages back someone said that 'people who think True Name Nemesis is an okay card are absolutely off their rocker'.
Please look at that top 32. There's 6 decks maximum that could give a ***** about True Name Nemesis and those are the black midrange decks like rock and GDS who can easily adapt their deck lists to have more sacrifice effects.
I think TNN is a card that in the context of the Modern, can be ignored by most of the top decks in the format. Although I have been out of the loop for a while, I can't really think of any deck that actively wants to engage in ground combat. Rock or GDS maybe? Unfair decks straight up do not care. Don't think tron or UR phoenix are bothered in the least by TNN. 3 damage per turn starting from turn 4 isnt really anything to write home about either.
We have to keep in mind that TNN shines because blue as a whole is also much stronger in Legacy.
I don't see how having non-rotating formats in Arena whether they be Modern, Legacy or some sort of new beast would be bad for arena? There's players around that simply won't touch standard no matter how good it is for whatever reasons. I know for sure that I wouldn't be playing Magic if standard and limited were the only formats available to play.
Having Modern in Arena would give certain groups of people reason to spend money on Arena as opposed to none at all. It's a segment that's there to be captured. With regards to taking away players from standard, the ball is in the design team's court, to ensure that the standard format is good enough like it is currently to keep players interested in it. Because if it isn't, they're going to be losing players anyway.
The only reason I can think of right now for not having Modern on arena would be that WOTC thinks the profit from capturing this segment isn't worth the effort/cost. Maybe the segment isn't large enough to matter, or if its a drain on resources for more profitable ventures etc.
The only time i'll ever watch limited is if they do it in the "Follow Reid Duke around" coverage format. The particular GP was the best for me in terms of viewing experience and not because of the format on show.
Bear in mind while you keep making disparaging remarks up there on your high horse that those users are the ones who still care enough about the Modern format to make their opinions known. There are many others like me who simply don't care to post anymore.
Modern hasn't been enjoyable to me since the latter part of 2018, so I moved on. That's all. I have the luxury of doing that, others might not, or have a stronger attachment to Modern.
I still have my Modern decks, good for jamming casual games within my playgroup. Competition? No thanks. Consuming Modern content? Rarely if any.
Great that there are many out there who enjoy Modern for what it is. Keep doing what you guys are doing.
Well not really. In Legacy, SFM is played with 3 or 4 copies in a deck. Batterskull is a one off. There will always be more SFM needed than Batterskull. I expect Modern to be similar if SFM gets unbanned.
said by KTK just above.
Yes and? The 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. Just because there are people not posting because they enjoy Modern, doesn't mean that the same can't happen for those who don't. Both statements can be true.
What? There's maybe 5 people who are actively critical of Modern and there are 30 voters who do not enjoy Modern. It is indicative that there IS a silent group of people who are not enjoying Modern but are not actively posting about it.
And taking the results from the reddit poll. As of the time of this post there's almost 1000 voters. It's quite clear that a significant amount of players do not enjoy Modern, around 25% on both reddit and MTGS.
Technically you can also play basketball with 1 hand and score some points here and there, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do so when everyone else is using 2 hands.
Will be counting it as a win if there even 5 modern-playable walkers in WOTS.
Like we KNOW we are a minority, but there just might be more of us than you may think, that's all. None of this majority BS.
Yeah 20% might not seem like much but you can't tell me 200 out of 1000 is not a lot, what about 2k out of 10k?. It's not a majority like you try to imply, but that's definitely still a lot of people who don't enjoy the format.
Yeah I know, results not statistically significant and all that jazz, before anyone wants to jump down my throat.
I have no issue whatsoever with the results of the poll so far. I actually expected something like this. My beef is this false narrative pushed on us.
Nobody on the 'not enjoying modern' side of the fence said anything about a silent majority of the player base being modern haters.
30.8% might be a while away from being a majority but its sure as hell still a very significant amount. That's 30% who would make the switch if there's a viable and accessible alternative. Even if we take into account this theory that users who are unhappy with the format are more likely to post about it and chop that to 20% or 15%, that's still a significant percentage.
Not everything has to be comcast levels of horrible customer satisfaction to be considered as significant.
Please look at that top 32. There's 6 decks maximum that could give a ***** about True Name Nemesis and those are the black midrange decks like rock and GDS who can easily adapt their deck lists to have more sacrifice effects.
We have to keep in mind that TNN shines because blue as a whole is also much stronger in Legacy.
Having Modern in Arena would give certain groups of people reason to spend money on Arena as opposed to none at all. It's a segment that's there to be captured. With regards to taking away players from standard, the ball is in the design team's court, to ensure that the standard format is good enough like it is currently to keep players interested in it. Because if it isn't, they're going to be losing players anyway.
The only reason I can think of right now for not having Modern on arena would be that WOTC thinks the profit from capturing this segment isn't worth the effort/cost. Maybe the segment isn't large enough to matter, or if its a drain on resources for more profitable ventures etc.
https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/an-update-on-magicfest-video-coverage/
Modern hasn't been enjoyable to me since the latter part of 2018, so I moved on. That's all. I have the luxury of doing that, others might not, or have a stronger attachment to Modern.
I still have my Modern decks, good for jamming casual games within my playgroup. Competition? No thanks. Consuming Modern content? Rarely if any.
Great that there are many out there who enjoy Modern for what it is. Keep doing what you guys are doing.
Side note: I'm quite looking forward to the next state of modern thread. Imagine the uproar if wizards announces 'no changes'.