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  • posted a message on [[Official]] Legacy Ban List Discussion Thread (Read OP before Posting)
    Burn even dumpsters Czech due to its raw, unfiltered aggression, and has a surprisingly decent matchup against Delver if you make a suitable board for it.

    I've learned to cringe at "Mountain, Goblin Guide, swing" as someone's opening play when playing Delver, because it means the strategy of incremental advantage is, at best, going to be blunted hard due to the deck's sheer redundancy. It's just not a "sexy" deck because most pros shy away from it and it has the "deck for newbies" stigma attached to it.
    Posted in: Legacy (Type 1.5)
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Legacy Ban List Discussion Thread (Read OP before Posting)
    Quote from crimhead »
    For the record, I am not asking for a DRS ban, but if the future looks too much like the top-16 from Birmingham, something needs to give.


    The point of a card having "sacred cow" status is that it's seen as an unassailable pillar of the format. Brainstorm, Force of Will, Wasteland, etc all have this status going for them. Personally, I don't see the problem if a card printed in the modern frame gains such a status, as long as there are still a diverse number of playable decks, and going from the numbers I've seen, that's still the case. A quick glance at some numbers tells me that Miracles, Elves, Sneak and Show, Stompy, Storm, and Reanimator are healthily represented in the metagame. Looking at Birmingham and how a DRS deck didn't actually win the event, I'd be curious to see what conversion rates are like on DRS decks versus other decks. If it's simply a case of an army of players all picking up Delver because it's "the best deck," then sheer numbers will brute force their way into the top 16, as compared to a smaller number of skilled players on other decks.
    Posted in: Legacy (Type 1.5)
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Legacy Ban List Discussion Thread (Read OP before Posting)
    Right, but that doesn't address the actual argument I'm making, which is that DRS is old enough to be an ingrained staple in the format. Brainstorm puts an entire colour a league above the other four, and people seem fine with that, but when decks like Czech (a midrange/control deck, if anything) and Delver (a tempo deck) are among the top decks alongside things like Elves (a combo deck) and various other fair decks improved by DRS, suddenly it's a foul. To put it bluntly, if DRS had been printed when Brainstorm was and vice versa, all these "ban DRS" calls would be "ban Brainstorm" calls, and there's no real getting around that, because if about six years isn't enough for something to be an ingrained staple, then how long does a card need to warp the format around it for in order to be okay?
    Posted in: Legacy (Type 1.5)
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Legacy Ban List Discussion Thread (Read OP before Posting)
    It's quite probable that hurting the fair decks of the format by removing their ramp + pressure one-mana planeswalker would advantage unfair decks too much to be worth it. They have tons of data from MTGO Competitive leagues and Format Challenges to go on as far as DRS' prevalence goes, and if you look at the results, sometimes they surprise you in how DRS isn't always the top dog. DRS doesn't have the old-frame-sacred-cow thing going for it, but it's still got more than five years' worth of pedigree, and it does pop up in multiple archetypes (aggro, tempo, control, even combo to an extent if you consider Elves) enough to say that it doesn't put any one deck or archetype at the forefront of the format.

    Personally, I'm of the opinion that we need to see more unbans than bans at this point, if only because some of the crap on the ban list has no purpose being there anymore (Mind Twist, Earthcraft, maybe a couple others wouldn't even affect anything at all if they came off).
    Posted in: Legacy (Type 1.5)
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Legacy Ban List Discussion Thread (Read OP before Posting)
    Quote from drmarkb »
    the card has not become ingrained like broken Brainstorm has.


    Why hasn't it, by this point? RTR is like 6 years old by now. That's more than enough time for a staple to become ingrained.
    Posted in: Legacy (Type 1.5)
  • posted a message on Most toxic thing you done as a player
    Probably the time I went into combat, opponent said he was dead if I had Ghor-Clan Rampager, I told him I did, proceeded to declare attackers... and then tapped RG, showed him a Rootbound Crag, and asked, "Game?"

    Neither individual action was illegal, as I never misrepresented the Crag, but man, that was probably the greasiest way I've ever gotten someone to scoop.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on What would you do?
    Generally you're going to want to get rid of cards like that while the price is high. Don't bother trying to ride things out to find some peak value. Just be glad with what you get and don't look back. While a foil Karn might be worth quite a lot in the far future, it's going to do less for you now than getting cards (ideally Modern, Legacy, or Commander cards) that you'll use now and will still hold their value.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Christine Sprankle and Harassment in the MTG Community
    Quote from Negator_402 »
    Is it me, or were comments closed for that extremely anti-anti-Hambly article on the main page?


    The staff collectively made the decision that due to the level of toxicity in the comment section, comments will be disabled for that article.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Christine Sprankle and Harassment in the MTG Community
    Uhhh what? You think the idea that maybe an attractive women who dresses up revealing might be taking advantage of romantically challenge magic players is a tin foil conspiracy?


    I'll be customarily blunt about this: That ***** doesn't happen.

    It's just scaremongering meant to help people feel bad about alienating others. Sure, some cosplayers may be in it for the money, but their intentions aren't this kind of predatory "lead men on and victimize them out of their money" gubbins. At worst, it's just business.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Christine Sprankle and Harassment in the MTG Community
    How about a challenge, try to look at it from the other point of view?


    I've been on the other side. At one time in my life, I was actually quite a vocal anti-feminist, believe it or not. I have more than a decade of experience with -chan culture and my relationship to it has similarly changed over the years. I went from the "for the lulz" kind of poster to the "get back to /pol/" kind of poster (fun fact: on a lot of boards, there's a very sizable population of outright progressive posters with no patience for the kind of "chan culture" /pol/ represents). You can't get a better look at a point of view than having sincerely espoused it before.

    I understand where the trolls are coming from and why they think what they think. I understand the people I'm calling out in my editorial, even if I stridently disagree with them. The people who use pejorative acronyms and derogatory epithets to refer to Sprankle's defenders, however, seem to be making no effort to understand the people they're insulting.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Christine Sprankle and Harassment in the MTG Community
    For those interested in reading a bit more about the greater issues behind these and other incidents, I recently posted an editorial on the subject. It pulls no punches, but if anyone in here finds my rhetoric unsettling, try not to write it off as just the rantings of someone on the far left. Mutual understanding is essential both to understand where harassment comes from and how to unpack those unpleasant aspects of ourselves we don't usually question.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Christine Sprankle and Harassment in the MTG Community
    Quote from vincentdee »
    If this is at the LGS and someone is acting like this, YES, you are 100% right.. because there is a limited audience and calling out bad behavior will either shut the person down causing them to be an outcast OR show you that that is a LGS you shouldn't go to anymore. Internet tho, well no press is bad Press. Controversy helps on the internet. Social suicide in social networks is literally causing people to ignore you. Jimmy Wong from the Command zone had the right idea with his post, he didn't even tag the person he felt was acting toxic.


    Getting banned from available platforms really does help stifle one's message, though. Milo Yiannapoulos learned that lesson the hard way.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Christine Sprankle and Harassment in the MTG Community
    Quote from DJK3654 »
    I think I agree. Going on some kind of grand online take down of all the bad elements of the community is never going to work. You can't just get rid of them.


    No, but you can drive hate underground and make it social suicide for someone to engage in hateful behaviour. We can't police people's thoughts (and nor should we even if we somehow could), but we can certainly police people's behaviour. The less bigotry that gets represented and normalized within the community (such as by the community giving them a platform by ignoring them, allowing them to preach to the choir), the fewer bigots will feel empowered to do more of the same.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Christine Sprankle and Harassment in the MTG Community
    Quote from DirkGently »
    Quote from Syzygylion »
    The MTG community as a whole is incredibly toxic.
    It really bothers me when people think things like this. All of our LGSs have been great places to play, with very few issues with other players. The vast majority of magic players are fine, normal people. There are bad apples in every community.


    You know how the saying goes: One bad apple spoils the whole barrel. That's why it's imperative to root out those bad apples from the Magic community.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Christine Sprankle and Harassment in the MTG Community
    Quote from Greyimp »
    The best thing the community and WOTC can do is ignore haters.


    Unsporting Conduct is two entire warning categories (Minor and Major) at Competitive and Professional REL events. If you make comments like Jeremy's during such an event, you can and will get warnings, match losses, or even disqualified as appropriate.

    That philosophy should help the community dictate response to such trolls. Ignoring them does not make them go away. Banning them does. I say this as someone who's been a regular on 4chan for well over 10 years now.
    Posted in: Magic General
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