ok so we have to disregard the alternate versions of legendary stuff cards from what really happening in timespiral block?
Pretty much. The Creative team doesn't neccesarily write the novels or comics, and the novels don't contribute any flavor text to the cards.
The only arguable person from an alternate timeline in that book cycle was Jodah, who has never had a card (aside from his avenger) and the theory that he was from an alternate timeline was utterly stupid to begin with.
I didn't read the book have read net stuff and bought cards from that block. the question is why does there alternate realities of other legendary creatures in timespiral but why would Karn never have a posibility to have an alternate reality like the others? Why would he end up impossible to have an alternate reality?
Something that i'm not sure i know karn lost his spark so how did he manage to have a new one?
The other legendary creatures/characters in TSP Block never factor into the plot of the books. I'm not really sure how we officially apply game flavor to the story though, but a lot of the color shifted stuff is more of a what-if than plot related.
From a meta-standpoint, there's not a lot of divergence for Karn to have split upon during Planar Chaos. He was a pacifist silver golem. Artifact creature. Makes for a difficult color shift, and making him into a berserker golem doesn't really make him different from any other golem you can summon. Think about it: What if Karn was..? What? Well, part of him is Phyrexian... that's never a good thing to have laying around in the multiverse.
The Phyrexian angle is one of the few to be found, and WotC didn't need time travel hax to bring it about. Well, they literally needed it to bring it about, but...
I think there are two karns from different alternate dimensions due to the events of timespiral...
Based on... the cover? Any fantasy fan will tell you to never trust a cover.
I don't believe there are two Karns... the only alternate timeline shenanigans in Planar Chaos were the Snow!Phyrexians, and they all got wiped out, I believe.
In the most basic of sense, a mother gives birth. Thus, Phyrexian Vatmother.
A father is the leader of a family, typically, or at the very basic, the seed of creation. Yawgie and Karn.
That's how I see it when ever they're used in a Phyrexian context, anyway. Mother in the Phyrexian sense conveys no real reverence, while there seems to be one Father.
Honestly, I don't feel he deserves better. Venser got shot shot in the foot from the moment he was created.
I think at some point at WotC there was a lull in communication, and someone created Venser, and probably intended to go forward with him, but then someone else created Jace in the Lorwyn design file and no one synced the two names up. Someone didn't actually read that Venser ascended until the scramble to fit a 'walker into Future Sight.
As a result, Venser kinda got ignored for four years.
Phyrexia is like an evil religion/philosphy with the power to create life. However, eldritch things like the Eldrazi are something beyond thier purview. The Phyrexians don't really understand the concept of the soul, as they're obsessed with perfecting tangible life. They barely get the concept of free thought and the mind.
When they have form, the Eldrazi are like Cthulhu or the Outer Gods; They're too other to be saddled with good an evil, or color in many cases. Part of what makes them so maddening to us is that we only see a horrible fragment of what they truly are. The terror that arises from the Eldrazi is the polar opposite of the Phyrexian kind.
I think that the reason that we're pulled out of Zendikar without any resolution is because at some point, Bolas is going to throw the Eldrazi in Phyrexia's direction to stem their growth when it gets out of hand. Not resolving the Zendikar storyline immediately is for plausability later on. Later down the line, playing the two against one another will then establish him again as the biggest bad in the multiverse.
Jin-Gitaxias, being blue-aligned, probably was human, but because of blue's nature and the Phyrexian philosophy, he resembles his original form the least because it's probably been refitted to better preform his function so many times.
There's very little of whatever a lot Phyrexians originally were in them (generally a vague uncanny shape), and Jin-Gitaxias probably has nothing left of even that.
Well, basically they could give each individual a spark again... but I agree it is rather unlikely ;-D
Teferi was cool and all, but I don't wanna see everyone getting back sparks after losing them...
I always interpreted the end of the Time Spiral cycle as implying that Teferi was still too shell shocked to realize that he was a neowalker now, and had simply not learned to 'walk again out of depression over the whole "I'm responsible for almost wiping out reality because I was a rock'n'roll god." Unlike Bolas and Karn (and possibly Liliana from what I've gleaned), who had additional power sources to fall back on, he was dropped all the way back to human again, which wold probably take some getting used to, while Venser was able to grasp it since he was born in the new breed.
I would really like to see Bolas's influence in Mirrodin limited to Tezz's role so far.
Two credible recurrant threats in the multiverse is neat, and Bolas taking over New Phyrexia or New Phyrexia somehow compleating Bolas both seem like really uninspired writing.
Karn showing up as a card and in this block, in a world that he's a God of, is not the worst use of his character.
Planar Chaos was easily the worst use of the character. It was basically setting up for this block, but damn, did it feel so cheap. I don't think you can write an entire book as badly as that scene, though.
The way I saw it, any 'walker that survived TSP cycle should be expected to get a card later on, though. Post-mending Karn was a given, just as Bolas was. I'm still expecting Teferi to show up.
1. Karn tracks Phyrexian oil into Mirrodin.
2. This causes Memnarch to go crazy.
3. Later on, Karn sees the face of the cosmic retcon and goes crazy to avoid being killed off like the rest of the 'Walkers.
4. Karn goes crazy in Mirrodin.
5. ????
6. War were declared.
7. New Phyrexia.
Step 5 is where I'm lost.
Where did the New Phyrexians come from, exactly? I know that a large number of them are at this point, compleated Mirrans, but where did the first ones come from? What were they? One of the articles describes it as an "invasion without," but what does that mean?
Were the first of the New Phyrexians compleated Mirrans like Glissa, or did they kind of congeal?
Is Phyresis on Mirrodin different from Yawgmoth-Phyrexia?
Where did Praetors like Elesh Norn come from? The style guide implies that she's using her influence to her own end. Are the Praetors compleated Mirrans, or did they kinda just congeal?
Ultimately, was the genesis of New Phyrexia spontaneous as a result of the original oil/Karn's madness?
A six-sided die is too much work? I would laugh in someone's face if they tried that argument. If it works for your playgroup, more power to you, but I'm just glad I don't have to play with you guys.
My group can barely be arsed to read the cards and keep track of life totals, I really don't think keeping track of it is worth bothering with when it's a chore to get the guys trying to go pro to keep track of how many counters thier Jace has on it. Or that Snow-Covered Islands are not standard legal.
It was a miracle I got the few to try EDH to try it, and having played both ways, it seems to be a better rule to me.
My group uses tucking as a replacement effect for exiling generals, since RFG effects would otherwise be a slap on the wrist, and attacking with your general should carry heavy consequence than resummoning for two more mana next main phase.
We don't do the cost increase thing per summon, either, since keeping track of it is too damn much. Tucking balances it.
Tracking your general in the deck is something I wanted to try, but was universally met with "**** you, take it out of the sleeve and shuffle."
Pretty much. The Creative team doesn't neccesarily write the novels or comics, and the novels don't contribute any flavor text to the cards.
The only arguable person from an alternate timeline in that book cycle was Jodah, who has never had a card (aside from his avenger) and the theory that he was from an alternate timeline was utterly stupid to begin with.
The other legendary creatures/characters in TSP Block never factor into the plot of the books. I'm not really sure how we officially apply game flavor to the story though, but a lot of the color shifted stuff is more of a what-if than plot related.
From a meta-standpoint, there's not a lot of divergence for Karn to have split upon during Planar Chaos. He was a pacifist silver golem. Artifact creature. Makes for a difficult color shift, and making him into a berserker golem doesn't really make him different from any other golem you can summon. Think about it: What if Karn was..? What? Well, part of him is Phyrexian... that's never a good thing to have laying around in the multiverse.
The Phyrexian angle is one of the few to be found, and WotC didn't need time travel hax to bring it about. Well, they literally needed it to bring it about, but...
Based on... the cover? Any fantasy fan will tell you to never trust a cover.
I don't believe there are two Karns... the only alternate timeline shenanigans in Planar Chaos were the Snow!Phyrexians, and they all got wiped out, I believe.
A father is the leader of a family, typically, or at the very basic, the seed of creation. Yawgie and Karn.
That's how I see it when ever they're used in a Phyrexian context, anyway. Mother in the Phyrexian sense conveys no real reverence, while there seems to be one Father.
I think at some point at WotC there was a lull in communication, and someone created Venser, and probably intended to go forward with him, but then someone else created Jace in the Lorwyn design file and no one synced the two names up. Someone didn't actually read that Venser ascended until the scramble to fit a 'walker into Future Sight.
As a result, Venser kinda got ignored for four years.
I KNEW IT. That's what they've been trying to do since 2007!
When they have form, the Eldrazi are like Cthulhu or the Outer Gods; They're too other to be saddled with good an evil, or color in many cases. Part of what makes them so maddening to us is that we only see a horrible fragment of what they truly are. The terror that arises from the Eldrazi is the polar opposite of the Phyrexian kind.
I think that the reason that we're pulled out of Zendikar without any resolution is because at some point, Bolas is going to throw the Eldrazi in Phyrexia's direction to stem their growth when it gets out of hand. Not resolving the Zendikar storyline immediately is for plausability later on. Later down the line, playing the two against one another will then establish him again as the biggest bad in the multiverse.
There's very little of whatever a lot Phyrexians originally were in them (generally a vague uncanny shape), and Jin-Gitaxias probably has nothing left of even that.
I always interpreted the end of the Time Spiral cycle as implying that Teferi was still too shell shocked to realize that he was a neowalker now, and had simply not learned to 'walk again out of depression over the whole "I'm responsible for almost wiping out reality because I was a rock'n'roll god." Unlike Bolas and Karn (and possibly Liliana from what I've gleaned), who had additional power sources to fall back on, he was dropped all the way back to human again, which wold probably take some getting used to, while Venser was able to grasp it since he was born in the new breed.
Two credible recurrant threats in the multiverse is neat, and Bolas taking over New Phyrexia or New Phyrexia somehow compleating Bolas both seem like really uninspired writing.
Planar Chaos was easily the worst use of the character. It was basically setting up for this block, but damn, did it feel so cheap. I don't think you can write an entire book as badly as that scene, though.
The way I saw it, any 'walker that survived TSP cycle should be expected to get a card later on, though. Post-mending Karn was a given, just as Bolas was. I'm still expecting Teferi to show up.
1. Karn tracks Phyrexian oil into Mirrodin.
2. This causes Memnarch to go crazy.
3. Later on, Karn sees the face of the cosmic retcon and goes crazy to avoid being killed off like the rest of the 'Walkers.
4. Karn goes crazy in Mirrodin.
5. ????
6. War were declared.
7. New Phyrexia.
Step 5 is where I'm lost.
Where did the New Phyrexians come from, exactly? I know that a large number of them are at this point, compleated Mirrans, but where did the first ones come from? What were they? One of the articles describes it as an "invasion without," but what does that mean?
Were the first of the New Phyrexians compleated Mirrans like Glissa, or did they kind of congeal?
Is Phyresis on Mirrodin different from Yawgmoth-Phyrexia?
Where did Praetors like Elesh Norn come from? The style guide implies that she's using her influence to her own end. Are the Praetors compleated Mirrans, or did they kinda just congeal?
Ultimately, was the genesis of New Phyrexia spontaneous as a result of the original oil/Karn's madness?
My group can barely be arsed to read the cards and keep track of life totals, I really don't think keeping track of it is worth bothering with when it's a chore to get the guys trying to go pro to keep track of how many counters thier Jace has on it. Or that Snow-Covered Islands are not standard legal.
It was a miracle I got the few to try EDH to try it, and having played both ways, it seems to be a better rule to me.
We don't do the cost increase thing per summon, either, since keeping track of it is too damn much. Tucking balances it.
Tracking your general in the deck is something I wanted to try, but was universally met with "**** you, take it out of the sleeve and shuffle."