What's the point in being scared of losing your creatures to a potential staticaster when you get to kill them by yourself casting a wrath? Again, i run an UW list, so different stuff, but I've got 2x Favorable winds, 4x lords and 2x Kira, which deal with staticaster pretty efficiently. I guess you could dig your deck with coco in search for a lord and play Kira in your side.
If i was to play a wrath effect, i'd go for settle the wreckage anyways.
Your card advantage is much stronger, so wipes don't hurt you as much. But you also have Selfless Spirit which makes wraths almost one-sided.
Also there is definitely more things I want to take out, then what I currently have in my sideboard to bring in. Against humans Geist of Saint Traft feels REALLY bad, and Mausoleum Wanderer feels like a Suntail Hawk.
I guess the reason why Bant struggles against Humans is cause it's not running Nebelgast Herald, which is the best piece i have in UW against them, and the one they name first with meddling mage once they have suffered its triggers
I recently started playing Bant Spirits, went 3-1 at my first night with it. In the last game I got matched up with Humans...and got destroyed, wasn't even close.
What are some strong SB options I can get in for Humans?
I wonder how well this deck would preform in a mono green shell? Makes playing with Reverent Hunter another option. I feel like the deck is very all in on the Garruk, Caller of Beasts, while the Domri and Xenagos are strong...do they NEED to be there?
Don't you think 4 Quicken and only 2 Sorceries is a bit off? Surely there is better cantrips if that is all your after in that slot.
What about Judge's Familiar instead of the raptor? While neither of them are exciting late game top decks, at least the owl can serve a secondary purpose.
Look up Travis Woo's B/W Human Sacrifice deck hes calling "Black Magic", its a sort of combo/aggro deck hes having fun with. Don't be mislead, its definitely pretty janky but can be explosive and enjoyable to play.
They hit and you mill them for 48. Then sac Tribe elder and they lose.
Pro: Wins right then and there.
Con: Takes 9 Slots, Tribe-Elder can be STP'd in resp, and if they have an Emmy it wont work unless you run 3-4 Extipate/Surgical Extraction.
just something else to think about.
Ya that win con looks interesting, but just because of the fact it can't just win through Emmy...and there is a ALOT of Emmy in legacy haha. Show and Tell is just too popular for that win con too be viable imo.
Ya I pointed that thread and build idea in the first paragraph of my post, its just way too slow and requires too many pieces that are hard to stick for my liking. This shell is much more explosive, and you can run way more counters/discard/draw then green.
I agree, I was originally running the 8 looting draw spells in Careful Study and Faithless Looting, but I took out the blue one in favor of the red for the flashback. But I can see the attractive qualities of dropping red all together. One thing to note, Cabal Therapy definitely represents a way to ditch a card from your hand.
I used to follow Flash Hulk in Vintage, Bubble Hulk in Extended, and actually tried to port it to Legacy. While going through that, I saw 3 main kills...
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I've always loved the idea behind the hulk combo, and I'd love to see how this can turn out.
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Edit: I really should save that huge stretch. I feel like I end up rewriting that every 6 months.
Thanks for the input, I agree I really do prefer the 'lark combo.
And my mana base is definitely sub-standard at the moment, it was based on cards I own at the time unfortunately. I always did prefer the Faithless Looting to Careful Study because the flashback has enabled my combo countless times...but I can really see myself building a much easier land base (maybe even a Daze viable land base) by cutting red. On that note, what do you think about the Living Wish plan? I'm still fairly on the fence. Its slow but adds SO much utility.
Oh the deck built with the Disciple of the vault is MUCH less consistent, because it just doesn't have enough free slots for protection and digging...but the combo always wins. Where as with the combo I am using, there is still ample time for the opponent to win with a removal to exile (which they just would have used on the protean in the first place ANYWAY...) or instant speed graveyard hate.
Its probably worth testing if the deck can be built to sustain its high card slot demand, but I don't know if its viable.
That win condition is solid, but does it not distort and dilute the deck too harshly? You reserve what, 12-15 slots in your deck JUST for the win condition?
Does the deck still remain as consistent? I'll have to test it, but it seems like a much more reliable combo once you've already got the ball rolling...but a much weaker shell surrounding the combo.
Your card advantage is much stronger, so wipes don't hurt you as much. But you also have Selfless Spirit which makes wraths almost one-sided.
Also there is definitely more things I want to take out, then what I currently have in my sideboard to bring in. Against humans Geist of Saint Traft feels REALLY bad, and Mausoleum Wanderer feels like a Suntail Hawk.
I think Curious Obsession might actually have some game against humans, I'd have to test it more though. Maybe taking out the Mausoleum Wanderer for someTallowisp and Pacifism would work.
While Nebelgast Herald seems strong, I don't know how I feel about putting more spirits on the board that die to Izzet Staticaster
I might just try more wraths next week, if I can out value them with CoCo after board wipes.
What are some strong SB options I can get in for Humans?
What about Judge's Familiar instead of the raptor? While neither of them are exciting late game top decks, at least the owl can serve a secondary purpose.
4 Bloodbraid Elf
3 Gaddock Teeg
4 Lotus Cobra
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Green Sun’s Zenith
2 Lightning Helix
3 Swords to Plowshares
2 Fireblast
4 Dryad Arbor
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Savannah
2 Taiga
2 Plateau
4 Wasteland
Just a deck that goes straight for the throat, will it be fast/explosive enough?
Ya that win con looks interesting, but just because of the fact it can't just win through Emmy...and there is a ALOT of Emmy in legacy haha. Show and Tell is just too popular for that win con too be viable imo.
Does anyone think running MB Silence or Xantid Swarm is a good idea?
Ya I pointed that thread and build idea in the first paragraph of my post, its just way too slow and requires too many pieces that are hard to stick for my liking. This shell is much more explosive, and you can run way more counters/discard/draw then green.
I wonder if Cephalid Coliseum is playable after dropping red.
Thanks for the input, I agree I really do prefer the 'lark combo.
And my mana base is definitely sub-standard at the moment, it was based on cards I own at the time unfortunately. I always did prefer the Faithless Looting to Careful Study because the flashback has enabled my combo countless times...but I can really see myself building a much easier land base (maybe even a Daze viable land base) by cutting red. On that note, what do you think about the Living Wish plan? I'm still fairly on the fence. Its slow but adds SO much utility.
Its probably worth testing if the deck can be built to sustain its high card slot demand, but I don't know if its viable.
Does the deck still remain as consistent? I'll have to test it, but it seems like a much more reliable combo once you've already got the ball rolling...but a much weaker shell surrounding the combo.
I'll test it.