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    posted a message on R/B Dragons (possible Vampire splash) .
    I hadn't played this deck in a few weeks. Spent a little bit of time testing out another deck that didn't pan out so well, so thought I would bring this out for a tournament. I've wanted to get a manland into the deck, and decided to play blue for Dragonlord Silumgar. I also wanted to add in some counter magic for the sideboard. Tonight I went 3-0, taking first place. Round 1 was RG Ramp. Round 2 was Jeskai Control. Round 3 was Naya Friends. I won all of the matches in 2 games. I did play a third game against the control player, which I lost. Still a pretty good night.


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    posted a message on R/B Dragons (possible Vampire splash) .
    Playing Abbot of Keral Keep should be sequencing that is best for you. Losing out on the card advantage isn't the worst thing ever. If you have a game plan for turns 3-4, you still run it out on turn 2. The part that makes it valuable is that it's a 2 drop that's still good to draw in the late game. I'm not looking at how good this is on turn 2. I'm looking at how good is this on turn 7, and it looks pretty good to me. I still haven't had a chance to test it out, but I'm hoping to find some time to give it some games.

    Ob Nix and Chandra are both good cards. You could run them, but then I think you're moving away from Dragons, and more into BR control. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as those types of lists have been putting up results. I've seen lists where the only creatures were Kalitas, Hangarback Walker, and Goblin Dark-Dwellers. Some are even playing Languish, which kills all of those cards. However, Hangarback leaves tokens, and Kalitas makes zombies for all of the non-token creatures on your opponent's board that die.

    I took 4th place at Game Day yesterday. I went 2-1-1 in Swiss, and then lost in the semi-finals. There has been a lot of Languish running around lately, and the white weenie decks have basically disappeared from my meta completely. I tweaked my list from States to adjust for that. Here is what I played:



    Round 1: Naya Superfriends. This was an interesting brew. It played Gideon, Nissa, Arlin, and Chandra. Tireless Tracker. Oath of Nissa. Oath of Gideon. The first game was epic. We had a lot of back and forth. One turn, he would be ahead. The next turn, I would come back. The next turn, I would have to trade off my threats to stay alive. I was low for a while, but in the end I was doing stupid things like playing GDD, hitting K Command, bringing back and playing Hangarback for 4. I won it with 15 minutes left in the round. Game 2 was much more one sided in my favor, and I take it in 2. 1-0.

    Round 2: BG Sacrifice. I don't see Kalitas in game 1, and my opponent overwhelms me after I bring them down to 3. I bring in Kalitas, Kozilek's Return, Dead Weight, Fiery Impulse. After a mulligan down to 6, I see no Kalitas, or any other cards that I boarded in. I get crushed. 1-1.

    Round 3: BG Sacrifice. I have a t3 Olivia, followed by turn 4 Kalitas + discard. The life link and grave hate was enough. My opponent attempted to sac for Westvale Abbey with a Cutthroat on board. Didn't realize that Kalitas hoses that whole strategy. Game 2 I don't see more than 1 land in any of my opening hands. I mull to 5, keep a 1 land hand, and then don't draw another land. My opponent played Transgress the Mind on turn 4, and I concede in response. Game 3 came down to a race. I had Olivia in play, 4 lands, and I was sandbagging a 5th land in the event that I draw a creature. Topdecked Thunderbreak Regent, played and smashed for 8 with my opponent at 5. I take it in 3. 2-1.

    Round 4: BG Season's Past. We're both 2-1, and ID to lock our spots in the top 8. 2-1-1.

    Quarterfinals: Same opponent as round 1 - Naya Planeswalkers. I hit him with a Duress, and see Oath of Nissa, Gideon, and Chandra. I have Ruinous Path and GDD in hand, and take his Oath to slow him down. The his hand plays out slow. I kill off Gideon with Ruinous Path. Goblin Dark-Dwellers into Duress to take Chandra. It was pretty gross. The second game was just as much of a blow out. I win in 2. 3-1-1.

    Semifinals: Round 4 Opponent - Seasons Past. I feel like I'm off to a good start in game 1, but Grasp of Darkness into Languish into Seasons Past can really catch up a deck that's falling behind. He wins game 1. Game 2 is better for me. I've got a better start with some hand disruption, and I wear him down a bit. I hit my 6th land, and come down with Dragonlord Kolaghan. I've got a second copy in hand, and bring him down to 2. He plays Clip Wings on his main phase. I draw into Dark-Dwellers, and have K Command in my graveyard. Seeing that the K Command is the safer of the two plays, as I don't lose to removal, I decide to go that route instead. I start game 3 with 3 land in hand. I only have 1 red source, and proceed to miss my 5th land drop for 2 turns in a row with 2x Goblin Dark-Dwellers in hand. He hits me with Infinite Obliteration naming GDD, and then again naming Kolaghan, and then again naming Thunderbreak Regent. I'm still stuck on 4 land, and concede. 3-2-1.

    The deck played pretty well. The only loss I had in the swiss I felt was winnable, but I just didn't hit the cards I needed. I also felt like I could have won the semi-finals if I had that second red source by turn 5. But sometimes that's how it goes. You can't win them all.
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    posted a message on R/B Dragons (possible Vampire splash) .
    I finished 4-2 in States today, taking 12th place overall after Swiss. It was heart breaking, as I was 3-0 after 3 rounds. Just needed to win 1 of the next 2 matches, and failed to do so in both rounds despite winning game 1 in both. My losses were to BW Control and Bant Company. I won vs White Weenie, Pyromancer Goggles, BW Control and Bant Company. The list I played was adjusted based on what I saw being played at the Pro Tour. Expecting WW and Bant Company, I brought in a couple of Fiery Impulse from the board to main. I also made the snap decision to put Sin Prodder into my deck to help generate CA, pressure, and Delirium. Here's the list:



    Round 1: White Weenie. He wins the roll, and proceeds to crush me in game 1. The turn 4 Archangel of Tithes ensured I was unable to block when he swung for lethal the following turn. I brought in Kozilek's Return, Fiery Impulse, and Ultimate Price. Took out Kolaghan, Transgress the Mind, and 1x Read the Bones. Games 2 and 3 went something like removal, removal, removal, Goblin Dark-Dwellers -> removal, GDD -> Removal. GG. 1-0

    Round 2: Pyromancer Goggles. He wins the roll, and we trade off creatures for removal. I transgress him before he can drop Chandra, but unfortunately he has Goggles on board. Eventually he has me at 6, and I have him at 11 with no cards in hand and I have GDD on board. Luckily he does not draw a burn spell in his next 3 turns, and I'm able to grind him out. I bring out all of my creature removal, and bring in Ruinous Path, Duress, Transgress the Mind and To the Slaughter. I curve out with Duress -> Hangarback -> Sin Prodder -> Thunderbreak Regent -> Transgress the Mind + K Command. My opponent can't keep up and I close out the game with relative ease. 2-0

    Round 3: BW Control. I remember winning the dice roll, but not too much beyond that. I won game 1 without taking a point of damage. I lost game 2 to a swarm of Secure the Wastes tokens (he played two copies). Game 3 I won. Boarding was identical to Round 2. 3-0

    Round 4: BW Control. I win the dice roll again, and game 1 after grinding my opponent out of cards and he struggles to keep up with GDD and Pia and Kiran Nalaar. Boarding was the same as above. I stumble on land in game 2, and can't get my 3 Thunderbreak Regents out quick enough. The game ends with him grinding me out with Sorin, Grim Nemesis, and Linvala, the Preserver. In game 3 he lands a Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, and proceeds to deal with my creatures via 1 for 1 removal while generating Zombies. I can't find Ruinous Path, or any other way to deal with Kalitas, and lose. 3-1

    Round 5: Bant Company. My opponent wins the dice roll. We both mulligan to 6. I come out strong, and reduce his threat/hand count with K Command and GDD. Eventually he's down to 0 cards, and I grind him out. I board in more spot removal, but not Kozilek's Return, as I saw Bounding Krasis, Sylvan Advocate, and Reflector Mage. Games 2 and 3 were a flurry of Reflector Mages, Declaration in Stone, and Collected Company. Every time I thought I was stabilizing, he was able to pull ahead of me. I lose in 3. 3-2

    Round 6: Bant Company. My opponent wins the dice roll. I mulligan to 6, but come out strong. The first game, my opponent has some interaction and is able to slow me down. But my removal and card advantage is too much for him. GDD crushes his late game by flashing back my removal on his strongest creatures. Boarding was the same as round 5. Game 2 is just a blowout. The only life I lost was from my turn 3 Read the Bones, hoping to hit land for my Thunderbreak Regent and GDD in hand. I hit 2 lands and am happy to keep them. My t4 Thunderbreak Regent goes unanswered. I follow the next turn with K Command and Ultimate Price, removing his only threats. I land another Thunderbreak the following turn and my opponent has no answers. 4-2

    Overall, I am pretty happy with how the deck played. Sin Prodder was an interesting addition. There were a couple times where I was sad to see a Hangarback Walker go to the grave, but there were games where it kept drawing me extra cards, or helped me filter past lands that I didn't want to draw anyway. The games where I curved out were incredibly difficult for my opponents to overcome. My two losses were both in 3, and I felt were winnable. I actually feel favored in those match ups, and beat both decks in other rounds. It's sad that I was a game win away from the top 8 in back to back rounds, and just couldn't seal the deal. You can't win them all though.
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    posted a message on R/B Dragons (possible Vampire splash) .
    I've been playing mostly on Cockatrice, and with some people at my LGS. There have been a small variety of things I've played against. Bant decks with Collected Company. RG decks that ramp into Eldrazi, among other fatties. BW Control with Gideon, Ally of Zendikar and Sorin, Grim Nemesis, sometimes splashing blue for Dragonlord Ojutai. There's always the Rx aggro decks running around at this phase of a new meta too.

    I find the CC decks do have some good cards. As you stated, Reflector Mage can be pretty nasty. I haven't seen any running Eldrazi Displacer, but I definitely see why those two cards are strong together. The main thing I found is that their best card advantage is Collected Company, which makes it usually the main target of Duress and Transgress the Mind. Reflector Mage can slow you down, but isn't great against most of our creatures. Thunderbreak Regent deals damage when they target it. Pia and Kiran Nalaar leaves their tokens behind, and produces more Thopters when they eventually come back into play. Goblin Dark-Dwellers lets you cast another spell from your grave. Even Hangarback Walker is flexible enough to fit back into your curve at a reasonable point, and can become bigger in some cases.

    Not only that, but this deck has more card advantage built into it. I can slow them down with the disruption, and trade off my creatures for theirs knowing I can get mine back later with Kolaghan's Command. Then there is the part where most of their creatures don't fly, so there is little they can do when we are on the offensive with Dragons and Thopters. The match up has seemed pretty favorable in the games I've played so far.

    The RG Ramp decks are pretty good. They play maindeck Kozilek's Return, which doesn't seem so nasty until they cast World Breaker and wipe my board. Their early game doesn't effect me much, so the best route is to try to win as quickly as possible. The best cards against them are Transgress the Mind and Ruinous Path, but I only run two in the main. Even when I bring in the other copies post board, they still usually draw into more threats than I can deal with. This is admittedly one of the toughest match ups.

    The Control decks really aren't that bad. As you stated, the white based removal is the scariest thing for me to deal with. I don't like my creatures getting Exiled. It's one of the reasons I run 4 Duress main. Hangarback Walker and Kolaghan's Command don't mind Wrath effects. Descend Upon the Sinful seems really bad for me, but I haven't been seeing people play that card for some reason. A down side is that Draconic Roar is dead outside of hitting Gideon in creature form to deal damage to your opponent. Despite that, this deck produces more pressure than the Control decks can seem to deal with. In most of the games, I eventually grind them out. The match up seems favorable.

    Rx Aggro decks can sometimes get there if they have an aggressive hand, and I don't have enough early game cards to interact with them. Slowing them down enough to get into a mid game can bring things into my favor. At that point, the card advantage can really take a game over. Landing a Goblin Dark-Dwellers into most removal spells can do a great job of stabilizing the board. From there you can build up and work out an offensive. Be wary of waiting too long, just in case they are sandbagging burn spells. This match up seems pretty even, if not slightly in my favor.

    Tonight I lost against a guy playing a WU Flyers list. Always Watching and Archangel of Tithes was pretty nasty. He also played Archangel Avacyn and Meddling Mage. I'm not sure if he played Dragonlord Ojutai. I didn't see it, but I suggested it to him after the match. I dominated the first game, and felt like I should have won the second game as well. I kept an iffy hand, but it worked out. I just miscounted some damage, and blew myself out with a huge misplay. There was a major flood in game 3, and I just couldn't put any pressure on him. It felt winnable, but it was a good learning experience.

    Admittedly, this is from a small sample base of around 40 or so games (roughly 18 matches) while I've developed the deck. I've also been pretty lazy about keeping notes. After playing today, I feel like the deck wants to have more threats. You're kind of echoing that with the Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury statement, so I think I'm going to bring that up to 3. Maybe 4 down the road, but I'll cross that bridge when I get there. I'm probably fine on burn based removal, and cards like Grasp of Darkness. If anything, I would want to add more hard removal. Ruinous Path has been pretty good.

    One thing I will say is that I am looking forward to taking this deck to States this weekend.
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    posted a message on R/B Dragons (possible Vampire splash) .
    It often plays out like this:

    First 1-3 turns is focused on sequencing of lands, and disrupting opponents. You want to play your lands out so that you're going into turns 3-4 with lands that don't EtB tapped. You play your hand disruption to look at what your opponent is trying to do. You sequence the next few turns based on that knowledge. You can also play removal as necessary. I'm not usually worried about a 1-2 drop from my opponent, as Draconic Roar and Kolaghan's Command can usually answer those threats effectively. You can also jam down a Hangarback Walker if there is nothing else to do. Lastly, I have Read the Bones to help ensure that I hit my 4th land drop.

    Turn 4 usually results in my jamming down Thunderbreak Regent, or the occasional Pia and Kiran Nalaar. I want to take a moment here to say how awesome this card has been. I don't particularly like playing Hangarback Walker without a way to kill him off. Pia and Kiran offer a sac outlet for Artifacts, in addition to giving me three bodies in one card. There is very good synergy here, and I recommend playing Pia and Kiran with Hangarback.

    Turn 5 is typically a pivotal turn. Usually at this point I have played some removal, disruption, or preferably Kolaghan's Command. My favorite thing in Standard right now is Goblin Dark-Dwellers into K Command. I'm killing something, making my opponent discard, or bringing back my Hangarback or Thunderbreak from my grave to hand, all while getting a 4/4 Menace. Sometimes I am just replaying Duress or Transgress the Mind, giving me another look at my opponent's hand. I think Goblin Dark-Dwellers is the MVP of the deck, as it can be absolutely backbreaking for my opponent. That is specifically why I maxed out on K Command. I've never found it to be a problem. Even late game, I just bring back the most threatening creature in my grave and hit them for 2, or something. It's very good.

    Usually at this point, I've gotten the game wrapped up for the most part. If not, Dragonlord Kolaghan can do some pretty nasty things. Even if the board is stalled, it makes playing more threats easier because your opponent can take 10 damage for anything they play that you've already killed.

    On a side note: I'm currently running 6 dragons, and am not sure if that's quite enough. When I had 7, I found that Draconic Roar was hitting for max damage about 80% of the time. I'm not sure where that percentage is at with 6, but it's certainly lower. I do like having Twin Bolt though, as it's a 5th card that can answer Jace on turn 2. So I'm somewhat torn between these two.
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    posted a message on [Primer] Burn (1/2011 - 11/2015)
    Thread archived: See the new primer and discussion below! (11/2015)
    http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/tier-1-modern/650623-burn


    BURN


    "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."
    —Jaya Ballard, task mage
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    New burn there can be found here

    1. Introduction

    So you want to play a Burn deck? Well this is the right place. Burn is a deck made up primarily of the most efficient burn spells available. We don't care about a long term plan, and for the most part, we don't even care what our opponent is doing either. We simply want to deal as much damage to our opponents as quickly as possible. Lightning Bolt is the epitome of a burn spell. It deals 3 damage, where ever we want, at the low cost of 1 mana. And it does it at Instant speed. Filling our deck with as many similar spells as possible will benefit us in the long (short) run.

    Burn was originally known as a deck called Sligh, which was developed by Jay Schneider and taken to a second place finish by Paul Sligh at a PTQ in Atlanta. At the time, second place was good enough to earn him a spot on the Pro Tour, and the internet went ablaze with hype of this new type of deck: an aggro deck. People still often refer to this style of deck as Sligh. As time went on and more cards were printed, the deck changed into what it is in Legacy today. While we don't have all the fun toys that the Legacy counterpart has access to, we still have quite a lot of gas to work with. Click here for more information on the origins of Sligh.

    While the original Sligh decks were focused on filling the board with efficient creatures and widdling opponents life totals down to 0, we are going to take an approach that is more focused on throwing spells at our opponent's face. There are a handful of creatures that we will be looking at, but primarily we want to get as much damage per mana spent as possible. Three damage for 1 mana is what we are looking for. If we curve out, and net 3 damage for each mana spent, by turn 3 we would have dealt 18 damage. Turn 1: 3 damage. Turn 2: 6 damage (9 total). Turn 3: 9 damage (18 total). I realize that we start the game with 20 life, but thanks to fetch lands, such as Verdant Catacombs and Scalding Tarn, as well as the shock lands they fetch out, such as Steam Vents and Overgrown Tomb, we will find friends in our opponent's decks which can often mean that we only need to deal 17 damage (sometimes less) to win.

    Of course things don't always go to plan. Counter magic, such as Spell Pierce, and hand disruption, such as Inquisition of Kozilek can slow us down a bit. Cards that gain life for our opponents is probably our primary hindrance. But if we have a high enough thread density, and a little luck, we can usually finish off our opponents while they are still trying to establish their central strategy.

    2. The Cards

    The basic Burn spell is Lightning Bolt, 3 damage for 1 mana. All spells in Burn must be compared with Bolt, Incinerate and Searing Spear are surely good cards, but they usually don't make the cut in this deck, not being efficient enough with a cost of 2 mana. When a spell does cost more than 1, it should also have some additional benefit.

    Let us now discuss the specific cards, although I'll leave the mana-base for a later section.


    Lightning Bolt - Bread and Butter spell, if you aren't running the playset you aren't playing Burn.

    Lava Spike - Lightning Bolt 5-8, run a playset or you aren't playing Burn.

    Rift Bolt - Lightning Bolt 9-12, run a playset or you aren't playing Burn.

    Bump in the Night - The primary reason to splash black is this card right here. It's essentially Bolt 13-16, and it's got Flashback, which can't hurt. Admittedly, it's rare that I cast this for it's Flashback cost, but it has won games for me on more than one occasion. There are other benefits to this card. First of all, it causes lose of life, and not damage (thus negating prevent x damage). It's also black, so you can cast it through Iona, Shield of Emeria.

    Shard Volley - It's a Bolt with a big down side. The plus is that you are usually killing off your opponent when you cast it, and it gives you something to do with excess lands if you ever get flooded out. You can also use it to power up Treasure Cruise if you decide to run it. Drawing it in multiples is not great, but I do recommend running at least one copy, but no more than three (I run two).

    Pillar of Flame - A sorcery speed shock is pretty bad, but a sorcery speed shock that exiles Kitchen Finks is occasionally useful enough to run. It's probably not the greatest card to run currently, but exiling Delver of Secrets will give them one less card to Delve with.

    Forked Bolt - It's a card that isn't great, but it can help you deal with two threats at once. I've ran it in the past, but usually not more than a 1-2 of. I wouldn't recommend it right now, as it's not dealing enough damage and most creatures don't warrant us to run this card. Most of the time it's best value will be to ping Young Pyromancer and Snapcaster Mage each for 1, or hit Vault Skirge for 1 and aim the other damage at their face. Honestly, we are going to be better off with cards like Searing Blaze and Searing Blood. Since we have better options for creature removal + player damage, I would avoid running Forked Bolt.


    Skullcrack - 2 mana for 3 damage is typically not what we are looking for, but since life gain can be a significant problem for us, we can sometimes net 5-6 virtual damage out of this card. This card also makes it so damage cannot be prevented, which can come up every now and again. Skullcrack has become one of the staples of Burn, and I recommend running at least 2 in the main deck, but many players prefer to run a full set of 4.

    Boros Charm - This is the primary reason to splash white. You net 4 damage for 1 card, which is above average despite costing two mana. It's rare that you use any mode other than player damage, and considering the Legacy version runs Flame Rift, I think we can manage paying some life to fetch out a Sacred Foundry. I absolutely think RWx is the way to go, and recommend running 4.

    Searing Blaze - Yes, you need them to have a creature, and you need to play fetchlands if you run this to get full value out of the instant speed. I run it because I expect a lot of creatures, and am running fetches for other cards already. For me, it's my main deck removal spell that also hits in the face for 3. Others choose to run other things instead. Up to you.

    Searing Blood - This is basically Searing Blaze, but there are a few differences. First of all, Searing Blaze targets both the creature and the player. So if the creature dies before Searing Blood resolves (say, sacrificed to Viscera Seer), Searing Blood will fizzle, but Searing Blaze will still deal damage to the player. The flip side to this is that Searing Blood will deal damage through Leyline of Sanctity, and also does not require a fetch land to be fully powered. For this reason a lot of players will run Searing Blaze main deck with Searing Blood in the board, and then bring Blood in for games 2-3.

    Lightning Helix - Helix is a card that you want to have main deck if you are expecting a lot of aggressive decks. Gaining 3 life can mean the difference between winning and losing if playing against another Burn deck. It can also give an edge against Affinity as well. Some players run 4 copies main deck. Some run 4 in the board. Some don't run them at all.

    Magma Jet - This used to be the best card available for filtering through our top deck, trying to hit that last piece of Burn to finish off our opponent. Since then, we have been given Treasure Cruise to play with. While TC does not deal damage, it does dig through our top 3 cards, and usually at the cost of 1 mana. Magma Jet was a staple in the old days of Legacy Burn, but today it's outclassed.



    Treasure Cruise - There isn't much to say about this card, except that drawing 3 more cards is very very good. As one of the local pros put it: Splashing blue for Treasure Cruise is almost certainly better than splashing for one of the other colors you could be running. I've got to agree. This card helps a lot when you get flooded, have to fight through some life gain, get hit with hand disruption, or straight up run out of gas. Resolving one equates to winning, if not the turn you cast it, then the next. I recommend running 2-3 copies.

    Flames of the Blood Hand - Prior to Skullcrack getting printed, this was our life gain hate card of choice. Now that we have a 2 mana version, not many people run Flames of the Blood Hand anymore. If you are worried about a lot of life gain decks in your area, it might not be a bad idea to put in Skullcrack 5-8 in your 75.

    Flame Javelin - If you feel like you need more 4 damage spells, this could be what you're looking for. But Flames of the Blood Hand is certainly a better choice.

    Browbeat - It's a Trap! It is never damage when you want the damage, and it's never cards when you want the cards. It's never a good idea to give your opponents the choice of what your cards do. They will always pick the mode that is more favorable for them. Don't run it.


    Goblin Guide - The Best creature in Burn, and played as a 4 of even in Legacy. He will usually swing in for at least 4 damage, sometimes as much as 6. He'll also give you information on what's going into your opponent's hand. If you have any in your opening hand, play them before any other spell, unless they play a must answer critter that needs to get bolted asap. Without question, run 4.

    Monastery Swiftspear - Also known as Taylor Swift, this is basically the best 1 drop we have had in a long time. It often deals 4+ damage over the course of a game, and with a handful of instants it can really mess up combat math for our opponents. Even a single Bolt can turn into 5 damage with one of these guys attacking. I was skeptical at first, but it didn't take long for me to come around. I recommend running a full set of 4.

    Grim Lavamancer - Grim Lavamancer is a somewhat controversial card in Legacy Burn. As a repeatable shock, he's amazing giving reach and inevitability, but he also isn't guaranteed damage. He doesn't have haste, is a terrible topdeck, and he's much better against aggro than combo. He will do some work in games that go on longer, but you probably don't want him eating up your graveyard if you're looking to cast Treasure Cruise. I recommend a 2-3 of if you aren't running TC, otherwise don't run any.

    Vexing Devil - Punisher cards are almost universally bad, but this is the only exception. Most of the time Devil will be 4 damage for R, but sometimes it'll stick and eat a bolt or run into a Goyf wall or something. While I used to run him as a 4 of, I've since replaced him with Monastery Swiftspear. I wouldn't say running both is bad, but I don't. As with Browbeat, I don't like giving my opponent the choice of what my cards do. If you do run Vexing Devil, make sure you dump them onto the board as quickly as possible. They are much more effective in the early game than they are in the mid-late game.

    Spark Elemental - 3 damage for R is a good deal, but I dis-recommend this card. It only has one chance to deal it's damage, and it can be blocked every easily. Some run it when they want to keep their curve as low as possible, but know it's a sub-optimal choice. I would never run him.

    Deathrite Shaman - I ran this guy in place of my Grim Lavamancer for a while. Since then, he has gotten banned, so don't run him unless you want to get a game loss, or even worse, disqualification.

    Eidolon of the Great Revel - Eidolon of the Great Revel is rapidly becoming a core part of Modern Burn. With the very low mana curve of modern, he puts out a ton of damage, even if he's bolted or path'ed immediately he's at least a shock. Don't forget either that he can swing, to increase his damage output even further. While he does hurt you, you don't care, because almost every spell in your opponent's hand shocks them now, making it much easier to count to 20. Additionally, he shuts down some decks all together, and makes cards like Snapcaster Mage much worse. I recommend running a full set of 4.

    Hellspark Elemental - Hellspark Elemental is much better than Spark Elemental. Because flashback, sorry, Unearth. While blockers make Hellspark very sad indeed, the unearth means that it is a viable option for the deck. Getting 6 damage out of a single card can be very good. I don't personally run him, and recommend 0 copies, but it's not unplayable.

    Keldon Marauders - For a long time Keldon Marauders was the gold standard of creatures in Burn. It will always deal 2 damage, and can deal as much as 5. Things have changed since the printing of Hellspark, Guide, and Vexing Devil however, and Keldon Marauders rarely shows up in current lists. Which isn't to say he's bad, and eventually the meta may make him viable again.

    Dark Confidant - Some players really like drawing cards, and Burn having such a low curve can certainly maximize value out of Bob. However we do run few creatures, and spending two mana for a card that has to survive a full turn before we get any value out of it makes it less than optimal. Once upon a time I ran him as a 4 of, but found this deck to not be the right fit for him.

    Ball Lightning - Too slow. Don't run it. Sure, it can save you in some situations, but it also makes those situations more common.


    Shattering Spree - Anti-Affinity. You cast this you can pretty much wipe their board, then burn them out. Simple, but highly effective. The down side is that it's sorcery speed, but you can usually get 2-3 for 1 out of it.

    Smash to Smithereens - Destroys an artifact and hits them for 3. It's basically like Searing Blaze but for artifacts. Good against Affinity, Spellskite or opposing Dragon's Claw.

    Stony Silence - Hoses Affinity, as well as some other random decks like U/W Tron and Eggs.

    Wear // Tear - This card is useful in pretty much every match up after game 1. Most decks are bringing in Dragon's Claw, Spellskite or Leyline of Sanctity, and this card answers them all.

    Destructive Revelry - You need to splash green, but it's anti-enchantment and anti-artifact while also hitting them in the face. If you aren't running Wear // Tear, you're running Destructive Revelry.

    Torpor Orb - It stops Kitchen Finks, Obstinate Baloth, Thragtusk, Twin, most of Pod, and Soul Sisters. It is fine as a 2 of if you expect to see these cards and decks.

    Grafdigger's Cage - Useful against Pod mostly, I prefer Torpor Orb.

    Rakdos Charm - It slices, it dices, it cuts them in half. Every mode is relevant in the sideboard. Artifact hate can hit a Birthing Pod or Crainial Plating, you can exile storm's yard in response to Past in Flames or get rid of Iona, Shield of Emeria/Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite in response to Unburial Rites, and anti-army does work against Twin, Kiki-pod, Tokens, and Affinity. It's one of the best sideboard cards available.

    Dragon's Claw - Absolutely brutal in the mirror. Also good against storm.

    Ronom Unicorn/Keening Apparition/Kami of Ancient Law - Anti-enchantment bear. Mostly for Leyline of Sanctity. Multiples can swing in for damage. The benefit with these is that you can drop them and swing regardless if there is an enchantment to target.

    War Priest of Thune - On the flip side, this guy blows up Leyline of Santity when he enters the battlefield, and then keeps chugging away. The downside is that I often find myself holding onto them if there aren't any opposing enchantments to target.

    Hide // Seek - Another anti-enchantment sideboard card, for Leyline. It also tucks Wurmcoil Engine, but can't swing for damage in multiples.

    Blood Moon - Turns off a lot of decks. We are typically 3 color, but are so heavily in red that Moon doesn't really effect us all that much.

    Ensnaring Bridge - Burn empties it's hand quickly. As such Ensnaring Bridge can be good against Aggro and Tron.

    Volcanic Fallout - If aggro, tribal decks like Goblins, Faeries or Elves, or Geist of Saint Traft become too common, this will be an excellent instant speed answer. It even hits them in the dome as well! It's also very good vs Delver.

    Anger of the Gods - Anti-Aggro Sweeper, hits things with 3 in the butt which is highly relevant against Zoo, and exiles so it's also decent against Jund, Junk, and Pod.

    Slagstorm - The other anti-Aggro Sweeper. While it doesn't exile, it does give you the option of hitting players. Honestly, Anger or Fallout are better options.

    Faerie Macabre - Gravehate.

    Molten Rain - Nonbasic hate, decent against Tron and tri colored decks like Jund and Jeskai Control.

    Ancient Grudge - Anti-artifact card. You pretty much need a green source to use it, and I find Shattering Spree and Smash to Smithereens better. However, Grudge is an instant that can hit twice, so some prefer it.

    Rain of Gore - Lifegain hoser extraordinaire. It helps you count to 20. The only question is if you want to devote sideboard slots to combat lifegain, or focus on other decks.

    Leyline of Punishment - The Red Leyline. Stops lifegain cold and can't be countered if it's in your opening hand. I prefer Rain of Gore, but currently I am not playing black so I am on the Leyline plan.

    Tempest of Light - For Boggle.

    Aura Barbs - For Boggle, this time in Red.

    Rest in Peace - Gravehate.

    Mindbreak Trap - For Storm.

    Satyr Firedancer - A possible 2 mana replacement for Grim Lavamancer. All your burn, save for Bump in the Night, now also hits their creatures. Generally you do not drop him on turn 2, you drop him later when you can use his ability immediately. If he sticks, he can really help you against creature based decks like Fae, Zoo, and Merfolk.

    Ash Zealot - 2/2 Haste first strike for RR, that's relevant. The other ability also hoses storm. You can run her MD if you're in a more creature heavy build, or in the board specifically against Storm. Up to you.

    3. The Lands

    In burn, as in any other deck, the manabase is a matter of great importance. You generally only want to see 3 lands, but you definitely want to see 3. As such I recommend 20 lands. However, the curve is low enough that you can cut back on lands and still fairly reliably hit 3, some lists even go as low as 17 lands, although I would not recommend going that low.

    In terms of Mulliganing, if you have 4+ lands in your oppening hand, probably mull it. Sometimes a 1 lander can be kept on the draw, or even on the play if you're feeling lucky.


    Mountain - Not much to say here. Run em.

    Sacred Foundry - For your fetchable W sources. Don't run a basic plains.

    Blood Crypt - For your fetchable B sources. Don't run a basic swamp.

    Steam Vents - For your fetchable U sources. Don't run a basic island.

    Stomping Ground - For your fetchable G sources. Don't run a basic forest.

    Arid Mesa/Scalding Tarn/Bloodstained Mire/Wooded Foothills
    You are playing them for color fixing, Searing Blaze, and Grim Lavamancer/Treasure Cruise. Popping off 3 fetches also means that you have 3 less lands you can top deck, but that is a very minor benefit.

    Blackcleave Cliffs - Everything you want out of a B/R land. Run them over Dragonskull Summit, if you have them.

    Dragonskull Summit - That you can't play it untapped turn 1 makes Burn sad. Run Blackcleave Cliffs instead.

    Clifftop Retreat - Sadly, for R/W that doesn't hurt you this is the best we got.

    Battlefield Forge - It does the job. Comes in untapped, and taps for colors.

    City of Brass/Mana Confluence - For all your color Fixing Needs.

    Gemstone Mine - Taps for all colors, comes in untapped, but can only be used 3 times.

    Forbidden Orchard - It doesn't cause pain, and taps for all colors. However, it does give them a 1/1 dude (which you can then target with Searing Blaze and Searing Blood). This card has a big down side if you're running any creatures, so it's not recommended.

    Teetering Peaks - If you run enough creatures and can be confidant about connecting, this is decent. I don't run it, but I don't run a creature heavy list either. Personally, it just seems awful.

    Ghitu Encampment - I've never seen anyone run this card, but that's not to say it couldn't see play. It's probably best to not have lands that Enter the Battlefield tapped.

    Keldon Megaliths - This might be the only exception to lands that Enter the Battlefield tapped. I would not run more than a 1 of, if at all.

    4. Piloting Burn

    The goal of Burn is to bring the opponent's life total from 20 down to 0. Burn generally doesn't care about the board state, except as a clock for how long you have to burn down the opponent. Burn doesn't care about drawing cards, although if the opponent wants to give us cards we won't complain.

    Burn cares about life totals. Burn is the only deck where turn 1 Lava Spike is a correct line of play. Other aggro decks have you save your burn for after the creature beatdown when the board has stalled, in Burn you throw it at their face from the start. Sometimes, of course, they have a creature that needs to die before it can do anything, like Martyr of Sands or Glistener Elf, in which case you send your removal at them and then get back to throwing fire and lightning at the dome.

    Postboard you generally want to play your SB cards ASAP if they are permanents like Torpor Orb, and save them for the right moment if you boarded in Rakdos Charm or Faerie Macabre.

    Also, some essential reading from Patrick Sullivan: http://www.starcitygames.com/article/27944_Burn-vs-Counters.html

    5. Match Ups

    The Meta is always changing, and with it, we must be adaptable as well. This is the meta from day two of Grand Prix: Madird, which took place on November 15-16, 2014. You can find that data here.

    Key:
    Deck - Number of Decks - Percent of Field

    U/x/y Delver of Secrets* - 37 - 16.8%
    B/G/x Rock** - 23 - 10.5%
    Scapeshift - 22 - 10.0%
    Affinity - 22 - 10.0%
    Birthing Pod - 20 - 9.1%
    Burn - 19 - 8.6%
    Jeskai No-Delver - 13 - 5.9%
    Splinter Twin - 11 - 5.0%
    Merfolk - 9 - 4.1%
    Slippery Bogles - 8 - 3.6%
    Tron - 6 - 2.7%
    Jeskai Ascendancy - 4 - 1.8%
    G/W Hatebears - 4 - 1.8%
    Martyr of Sands - 4 - 1.8%
    Zoo - 3 - 1.4%
    R/G Aggro - 2 - 0.9%
    Through the Breach - 2 - 0.9%
    Ad Nauseam - 2 - 0.9%
    Others: 9

    * Of the 37 Delver decks, all similar in strategy, 24 were simply blue-red. Five added green for Temur, five added white for Jeskai. Two were blue-white-green and one was blue-black-green, also known as Sultai.

    ** Among the 23 Rock decks, 15 were Abzan, four were Jund, and four were straight-up two-colored black-green.

    6. Sample Decklists



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    posted a message on Print this Wizards (so I can play it in modern)
    Here's one I would like to see:

    Wrath of the Beast 2GG
    Instant
    Destroy all noncreature, nonland permanents.
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    posted a message on [Primer] Burn (1/2011 - 11/2015)
    Hey guys. Haven't been too active on the forums lately. Thought I would drop my latest build. Keep in mind that some of these slots are flexible and can (should) be modified for your meta.



    A friend recently piloted this to top 8 at a local PPTQ (Madison, WI). The meta here has a lot of Burn, Affinity, Tron and Twin. Expecting Burn to be the most popular deck, we opted for 3x Helix main and Firewalker in the board. We also prepared for Affinity, which can usually be a bit faster than us, by playing both Revelry and Smash. Path was ideal for Wurmcoil Engine vs Tron, as well as good removal all around. I could see these being swapped out for other cards that are better for your meta.
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    posted a message on [Primer] Burn (1/2011 - 11/2015)
    I've been testing Atarka's Command, and the card is pretty bonkers. Getting 6 damage out of it is pretty common.
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    posted a message on [Primer] GW Hatebears
    I've been playing a modded version of Wilson's list and I am really liking it. There is a lot of synergy within the deck and it is well positioned for the current meta. I've made room for some Abrupt Decay, Scavenging Ooze, a 4th Smiter and a singleton Tasigur, as well as a singleton Tectonic Edge. I'm liking the layers of hate for Liliana/Hand disruption. Souls, Liege and Smiter are all boss here. I like the additional creatures from Souls that get pumped by Liege, as well as the tokens from Voice (which I've mentioned in the past). Pridemage, Voice, Smiter, Rhino and Finks all get a double pump off of Liege as well, which can lead to overwhelming board states. Kitchen Finks and Rhino also give the deck a fair amount of lifegain, and Scooze only adds to it with an improved late game. This gives the deck some cushion room against the aggressive decks like Burn, Zoo and Affinity, and can make decks like Storm and Scapeshift have to work a little harder. The deck really has a good feel to it. The only bummer is that Tasigur doesn't get pumped by Liege, which I am entirely fine with.

    Here is the list:



    I'm still not really sure what I am going to do with the sideboard yet. I will likely add in some hand disruption, Aven Mindcensor, some sort of grave hate, possibly Timely Reinforcements. Decay 3-4 and/or Maelstrom Pulse also seems solid.
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