He's a goblin. Goblin King is now a goblin. And at 3 mana (or 2 with atleast one Warchief), I am wondering if he deserves a spot in a good Legacy goblin deck. At first glance I say "yes!", but I believe we should be discussing this in detail. And if so, can this be the thing that finally puts Goblins into bonafide deck to beat territory?
This comes from Qwerty's "Decks of Legacy" Primer page. Where do you stick another goblin into a list so tight as to only run 3 warchiefs like this? I am personally of the opinion that, in order to do so, we would have to scrap the list in favor of something closer to the Vial Goblins list like this:
This is also taken from Qwerty's "Decks of Legacy" Primer page. With the converted mana cost of Goblin King at 3, it seems a natural fit. The question in my mind is "Is this good enough to warrant a '4 of' or just 1 or 2 as a toolbox piece?"
Considering how many decks run mountains in the form of Taiga or Volcanic Island and the fact that the +1/+1 bonus stacks, I would say the King will be good enough to be a 4 of. I especially like the fact that it is essentially a foil to Engineered Plague, as that is a popular anti-goblin card in my local meta.
Where to cut: Well, that IS the hard part, isn't it...
1. I would say to cut the Pyromancer. I have been beaten by a Pyromancer on more than a few occasions, but in addition to the King duplicating the effect of the Pyromancer to a limited degree, he is also subtly different in strategy. You probably do not want to drop the King after blockers usually, since the bonus is less and the mountainwalk is useless. Of course, this means that the Piledriver gets further bonus - oh and he will possibly be unblockable. And that, my friends, is huge. It's not quite a wash as far as benefits are concerned, but something to consider.
2. I want to cut atleast 1 Ringleader. Sure they are big time card advantage, but awful when your opening hand is full of them. You can still search for them with Matrons. This may cause more game strategy changes, such as not going for the kill piece so much as the card advantage piece (depending on how many you cut), but is also a consideration.
3. Drop a Sharpshooter. Yes they have game, but not quite as much without Skirk Prospectors or Goblin Grenades. The deck is already down to 2, so dropping to 1 just makes it a toolbox-only card.
Let me insert an anti-flame disclaimer here. I am not a Goblin player these days, and have never tried them with a vial. My experience comes from the other side of the table. After all, I think Goblin Legionnaire is peachy keen with Plateaus. What do I know?
Also, I am wondering if this new designation as goblin will be in effect when the Legacy tournaments occur this season. Will it?
Let's understand that Skullscorch is not anywhere near a Hymn to Tourach. That said, the random discard effects seem to be in red these days. Black doesn not get them at all anymore. Wizards can break their own rules if they want, but Rosewater just talked about this one. The man would know if Hyppie was returning. Would he really want go to all the trouble of explaining why random discard (especially in black) was not going to be pursued if they were about to reprint the most broken random discard creature ever? He would look so foolish. I have to trust that he would not make such an error.
He's a goblin. Goblin King is now a goblin. And at 3 mana (or 2 with atleast one Warchief), I am wondering if he deserves a spot in a good Legacy goblin deck. At first glance I say "yes!", but I believe we should be discussing this in detail. And if so, can this be the thing that finally puts Goblins into bonafide deck to beat territory?
Let me post this as reference
Creatures (23)
3 Siege-Gang Commander
2 Goblin Vandal
3 Goblin Warchief
4 Goblin Piledriver
4 Mogg Fanatic
3 Skirk Prospector
4 Goblin Lackey
Cranial Damage (19)
4 Incinerate
3 Fireblast
4 Goblin Grenade
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lightning Bolt Mana (18)
4 Wooded Foothills
3 Plateau
11 Mountain
This comes from Qwerty's "Decks of Legacy" Primer page. Where do you stick another goblin into a list so tight as to only run 3 warchiefs like this? I am personally of the opinion that, in order to do so, we would have to scrap the list in favor of something closer to the Vial Goblins list like this:
Creatures (35)
4 Goblin Lackey
4 Mogg Fanatic
1 Goblin Tinkerer
1 Goblin Vandal
4 Goblin Piledriver
4 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Goblin Warchief
2 Goblin Sharpshooter
4 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Ringleader
1 Siege-Gang Commander
1 Goblin Pyromancer
1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker stuff (4)
4 Aether Vial
4 Wasteland
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Badlands
7 Mountain
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Smother / Terminate
4 Red Elemental Blast
3 Fork
This is also taken from Qwerty's "Decks of Legacy" Primer page. With the converted mana cost of Goblin King at 3, it seems a natural fit. The question in my mind is "Is this good enough to warrant a '4 of' or just 1 or 2 as a toolbox piece?"
Considering how many decks run mountains in the form of Taiga or Volcanic Island and the fact that the +1/+1 bonus stacks, I would say the King will be good enough to be a 4 of. I especially like the fact that it is essentially a foil to Engineered Plague, as that is a popular anti-goblin card in my local meta.
Where to cut: Well, that IS the hard part, isn't it...
1. I would say to cut the Pyromancer. I have been beaten by a Pyromancer on more than a few occasions, but in addition to the King duplicating the effect of the Pyromancer to a limited degree, he is also subtly different in strategy. You probably do not want to drop the King after blockers usually, since the bonus is less and the mountainwalk is useless. Of course, this means that the Piledriver gets further bonus - oh and he will possibly be unblockable. And that, my friends, is huge. It's not quite a wash as far as benefits are concerned, but something to consider.
2. I want to cut atleast 1 Ringleader. Sure they are big time card advantage, but awful when your opening hand is full of them. You can still search for them with Matrons. This may cause more game strategy changes, such as not going for the kill piece so much as the card advantage piece (depending on how many you cut), but is also a consideration.
3. Drop a Sharpshooter. Yes they have game, but not quite as much without Skirk Prospectors or Goblin Grenades. The deck is already down to 2, so dropping to 1 just makes it a toolbox-only card.
Let me insert an anti-flame disclaimer here. I am not a Goblin player these days, and have never tried them with a vial. My experience comes from the other side of the table. After all, I think Goblin Legionnaire is peachy keen with Plateaus. What do I know?
Also, I am wondering if this new designation as goblin will be in effect when the Legacy tournaments occur this season. Will it?
-Finn
Threads merged-Qwerty
Let's understand that Skullscorch is not anywhere near a Hymn to Tourach. That said, the random discard effects seem to be in red these days. Black doesn not get them at all anymore. Wizards can break their own rules if they want, but Rosewater just talked about this one. The man would know if Hyppie was returning. Would he really want go to all the trouble of explaining why random discard (especially in black) was not going to be pursued if they were about to reprint the most broken random discard creature ever? He would look so foolish. I have to trust that he would not make such an error.